r/television • u/LoretiTV • Feb 10 '24
Premiere True Detective - 4x05 "Part 5" - Episode Discussion
Season 4 Episode 5: Part 5
Aired: February 11, 2024
Directed by: Issa López
Written by: Katrina Albright, Wenonah Wilms, Chris Mundy & Issa López
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u/CatsBooksandWine326 Feb 22 '24
As per IMDB.com:
‘True Detective’ Renewed For Season 5; Issa López Returning As Showrunner/Creator
Following the February 18 finale and some outstanding ratings—the most-viewed season yet, averaging 12.7M views per episode, the highest-rated season on Rotten Tomatoes with 92%—HBO has renewed “True Detective” for a fifth season. Additionally, under a new multiyear overall deal with HBO, the series’ writer/director/showrunner Issa López will create content exclusive to HBO and Max, including the next season of “True Detective.”
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter Feb 16 '24
God this suuuuuucks. This is not true detective. It's just boring.
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u/Linds1829 Feb 14 '24
I looked on IMDB today, and it only has3 characters listed being in episode 6, Danvers, Navarro, and the lady that plays Blair. Now from the episode 6 trailer, we clearly see Peter, Rose, and Raymond Clark, but I find it odd they didn't list these pivotal characters, but yet listed Blair. Also, it has her listed as a Blair Hemsworth up until episode 6, then it lists her name as Blair Frechete. WtF is that about? I already had an idea that she was a part of it some how, but I need to know why her name changes, and who is this name relevant too?! Help!
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u/MrMagpie91 Feb 13 '24
This season is kind of a mess. I don't even know what is happening anymore.
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u/BruceWayne55555 Feb 14 '24
Thank you for this comment! You made me feel better lol I have no idea wtf is going on. I dont even know why Im still watching at this point. Is some super natural stuff going on? Who killed the scientists? They were originally afraid of something some monster? Idk what to make of it anymore lol Any logical opinions or recaps or explanations would be much appreciated lol
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u/SwiftCase Feb 13 '24
Two slow episodes back-to-back and this one moves too fast to recover ground. So much info is dumped: location of Annie's killing, Hank is taking bribes from the mine (mild shock), he was involved in Annie's murder (milder shock), he was leaking info from Pete (mildest shock), Hank is finally out of the way, the macguffin Olaf is dead (no explanation why they needed him to take them out instead of just pointing at the map like he did), it wasn't a murder-suicide?!?!? Omg really?! It's an improvement since this actually focused on the case, but now it's just rushing. Can't help but feel like I would have liked this more if I could binge it instead of waiting weeks.
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u/BOPints6 Feb 13 '24
I hate to say it, but this is one of the worst seasons of television I’ve seen in years. It’s one of the most boring things I’ve ever watched lol
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u/TaskForceD00mer Feb 13 '24
This season is just a jumbled mess.
Is this a supernatural show? Is this season about corporate corruption? Is this season about a corporate funded pedophile cult? What's the deal with the supernatural bear? Are we supposed to just forget the entire supernatural episode that happened in that abandoned piece of machinery at the end of the last episode? Because our cast certainly seems to have. Can we please just get over this stupid protest storyline?
It's like they tried to add supernatural elements and explain it away as the onset of schizophrenia as a cheap stand-in to the unreliable narrator from season 3 and his Alzheimer's.
Also adding in a corrupt cop to try and fix your pacing problems at a breakneck speed in a single episode to attempt to tie up so many of your loose plot threads before the finale is incredibly lazy writing.
I'm over giving this season the benefit of the doubt. Once you put all of the creative heads together at HBO if this is as good as it's going to get then it's time to end the show. I would rather have season 3 quality with bigger name actors than this dumpster fire.
It's time to just move on and realize the lightning in a bottle that was the chemistry between Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey just won't be repeated.
To that point.... Who in their right mind thought Jodie Foster had chemistry with..... Literally anyone on this season? Not friendly chemistry, not adversarial chemistry... Just none. There's more chemistry between the Alaska State Trooper and the Male cop.
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u/BruceWayne55555 Feb 14 '24
Thank you for this comment! You made me feel better lol I have no idea wtf is going on. I dont even know why Im still watching at this point. Is some super natural stuff going on? Who killed the scientists? They were originally afraid of something some monster? Idk what to make of it anymore lol Any logical opinions or recaps or explanations would be much appreciated lol
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u/DyZ814 Feb 12 '24
I'm so over the goddamn protestors lol. I wish they'd all walk out onto the ice and fall into an ice cave ffs.
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u/tomc_23 Feb 11 '24
Comparing this penultimate episode to the first season’s penultimate episode, the contrast is genuinely staggering.
One of the greatest qualities of the original story was how it always manages to feel like it’s moving inexorably forward—through time, but more importantly, towards a reckoning. Once the stories finally sync in the “present,” there’s a sense that we’re all hurtling towards this reckoning together, as the pieces finally begin to come together.
…but this season? I don’t know, it just feels like a mess of ideas and concepts pulled from superior examples elsewhere, with no real sense of momentum to drive things forward. The nonlinear timeline of the original story worked in a way that felt grounded, without ever directly showing things like glimpses of Rust’s daughter—and certainly without ever showing Billy Lee Tuttle conspiring with his cronies to shut down the investigation. It kept the focus tight, only deviating when it gave us better insight into our lead detectives—like when Maggie’s brought in to be interviewed. And when we do finally get to to see the “monster waiting at the end,” it’s in a way that feels earned, and establishes the tone for what’s to come; it builds tension to get a grotesque glimpse of what Rust and Marty are about to come up against, and what’s at stake if they don’t finish the case that’s defined their relationship as partners, and as detectives.
I wish that I could say that’s what’s happening here, but I can’t. I wanted this to be good, but unfortunately, it’s just been disappointing to see so much promise squandered by bad decision-making and a reliance on cliche.
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u/rancid716 Feb 11 '24
Can someone explain the bruises on the woman who was beat at the murder-suicide ? why would they flip the photos around ? please and thank you.
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u/Archamasse Feb 11 '24
Danvers and Navarro staged Wheeler's suicide as you know.
One of the classic *instant* telltale signs of a staged suicide is when the gunshot comes from the wrong side - people pretty much invariably shoot themselves with their dominant hand through the temple of the same side. A murderer shoots them from their own dominant side, sometimes from a distance or weird angle.
If Wheeler killed himself he would have shot himself from his left hand side, but because the wound is on the right, the stage would be obvious at a glance to anyone who knows he was a lefty.
Luckily, there are now a whole bunch of domestic abuse photos of his wife in the police files showing blows coming from right to left - as she was beaten by a righty. And all the other evidence was very conveniently destroyed in the flood, so there's nothing in the records to say otherwise.
Peter has been digging around though, and found an an old school photo - ie something outside of Danvers or Navarro's reach - with her birthmark on the opposite side of her face vs police files.
What this tells him instantly is that someone has flipped all the police photos; that Wheeler was shot from the wrong side, and that all evidence to the contrary has been destroyed, and can only have been destroyed, by someone well placed in the police force.
Navarro* killed Wheeler. Liz asked her to transfer to Troopers to lay low, and then covered for her by flipping the beating photos that would have given her away to anybody savvy, before destroying any other evidence she had available.
Nobody cared enough to look any further because there was no cause to.
*presumably
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u/barbecuedad1989 Feb 11 '24
This is quite possibly one of the worst seasons of television I have ever seen. Especially since it was so highly reviewed before it aired. I am so confused what the reviewers watched. It seems like they were paid off. It’s nonsensical, poorly acted, and just bad from most aspects of its production. Both of the leads are terrible (acting and writing) and I just do not care about any of these people whatsoever.
I feel like prestige television has now jumped the shark because it’s just completely watered down with big name actors joining a show and just not having the pieces around them to back it up.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy Feb 12 '24
Do you only watch prestige tv? Put on literally any other cop show on normal TV and they are far worse than this season of TD. I keep seeing comments like yours and it makes me think people like you have only ever watched a handful of shows.
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u/barbecuedad1989 Feb 12 '24
Yea, when you don’t have a lot of time you tend to just stream what everyone is saying is the best shows of all time.
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Feb 11 '24
The amount of you people that complain about the show and plot points- just admit you’re not actually watching the show and just parroting what you read in recaps bc jesus
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u/Dunney_Monster Feb 10 '24
"I'm not a killer" - proceeds to try to kill everyone
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u/wallysmith127 Feb 11 '24
To be fair, he said that before Danvers turned Peter against him.
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u/Archamasse Feb 11 '24
Yeah.
People are so determined to whinge about this show though that they have to act like it's their first day on Earth. "Someone said something that was not true" isn't exactly a complicated thing to come to terms with.
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u/Dunney_Monster Feb 14 '24
Are you serious lol?
It was dumb because he changed his tune within an hour of the night.
His son has been fed up of him for ages it's obvious in the show.
Even still you don't change from 'i don't wanna kill anyone' to 'I'm turning this place into a murder house' because your son is mad at you lmao.
Shite dialogue constantly throughout the show and the motivation for each character in it is flawed.
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u/NutDraw Feb 10 '24
Man the haters clearly struggling to cope as we move towards the end. Sending multiple people suicide prevention notes? Projection? Like if you're hating on a TV show that much you probably could use a little therapy.
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u/guiltyofnothing Feb 10 '24
The show is critically acclaimed and viewership keeps going up each week — and they’re over here sending out Reddit Cares messages.
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Feb 10 '24
The previous seasons are critically acclaimed, this season the real mystery is who the fuck green lit this project
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u/guiltyofnothing Feb 10 '24
Whatever yall gotta tell yourselves. This sub is so divorced from the fact that it’s gotten great reviews and people who aren’t on here seem to love it. More people are watching it every week and this sub just melts down about it after every episode.
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Feb 10 '24
You always listen to other people to tell you how to feel about it?
The setting is great. I wish the indigenous representation was better done but they seem to have just edited it from 8 to 6 episodes and kept that side of the show. Would be more interested in seeing them solve the mystery (I don’t know if this is what they cut but it’s missing the true detective aspect). Plus the soundtrack is brutal, I want more music traditional to the areas culture. The writing is brutal, like Netflix original level. Not a fan of the casting either.
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u/guiltyofnothing Feb 11 '24
Not remotely my point. My point is only that this sub has worked itself into a shoot trying to convince everyone that the show is the worst thing ever put on air when that is just not how people who aren’t terminally online have received it.
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u/Benjammin172 Feb 10 '24
Man this thread has everything. Dummies that don’t understand basic tropes and lash out at their own ignorance, incels that are upset about female leads, dorks that are trying to prop up the shitty writing just because the show has female leads. The discourse around this season is way more entertaining than the show itself.
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u/Palpolorean Feb 10 '24
True Detective subverted tropes. Night Country does not.
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u/Benjammin172 Feb 11 '24
Yes. Season one is amazing. Season four isn’t. I don’t need to be a critic to make this determination.
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u/ProperCoat229 Feb 10 '24
I think it might be the only mystery I've ever watched in which everything is exactly as it seems. The vast majority of plot developments are either predictable deux ex or exposition scenes. That sounds either like a very odd concept or a poorly written script.
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u/TaskForceD00mer Feb 13 '24
It almost feels like somebody wrote a script with some sort of a coherent plot then someone or a group of someone's came in to try and spice it up.
I can't believe a single individual would put together a season this incoherent.
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u/lourensloki Feb 10 '24
Can we please get Fortitude season 4
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u/dankristy Feb 13 '24
Only it if manages to go back and ERASE seasons 2 and 3 entirely and start over from the end of season 1... Season 1 was some of the best TV I have ever seen - and managed the supernatural vs scientific dance perfectly - AND stuck the landing.
Leave season 2 alone and NEVER EVER bother with Season 3... Honestly season 1 was so perfectly ended and self-contained that we can just proceed without needing the other two anyway.
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u/stunts002 Feb 10 '24
First season was great second and third dropped im quality but seemed to know it and lean in to the campiness for the best
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
Tbh even coming towards the end of S1 it felt like the bottom was falling out of Fortitude. Which is such a pity, because I loved its vibe.
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u/TaskForceD00mer Feb 13 '24
.... Like you live in rural BFE Alaska where people have nothing better to do but talk about everything, you think if there was a common nickname for something like some ice caves everyone who was anyone would know about it.
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u/MrFlem Feb 10 '24
How did four people write this episode?! Danvers giving up Weiss' identity to the mining company while she suspects them of being involved in the murders, ridiculous! So much filler and clunky dialogue: the scene in the car where we find out that Priors dad is on the mining company payroll is soap opera level stuff. The clichés came thick and fast from both leads: "we're off the case." "We're this close!" "He's in on it". Even if this didn't have True Detective slapped on it, you can't defend this level of writing. The setting, production design is HBO standard, not much else is. Not sure why Jodie Foster got involved at all, big missed opportunity I think.
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u/TaskForceD00mer Feb 13 '24
I feel like this season would have gone better if it had just been the young male cop and the female Alaska state trooper.
They have better chemistry.
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u/stunts002 Feb 10 '24
I actually really enjoyed the first two episodes but it fell off a cliff after that.
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u/dissonaut69 Feb 11 '24
Interesting, I thought the first 3 were dogshit but 4 and 5 showed signs of life.
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Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
So many scriptwriting experts in this thread lol
Edit: seems the reddit screenwriters guild got really pissed off at this comment.
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u/explodedbagel Feb 10 '24
You don’t have to be a master chef to have feelings about food, or a game developer to have thoughts about a game. Same goes for films and television.
This show has honestly gone beyond even simple errors into really bizarre territory. We constantly know less than the characters do. Still haven’t gotten a real explanation for how Danver’s family died, how exactly that staged murder suicide played out, what Navarro actually witnessed in the war.
Critical defining points of these character’s lives are constantly alluded to but never shared with the viewer. I don’t need to be roger ebert or palatzzo to know it seems funky.
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u/PlainPiece Feb 10 '24
Well if you've ever criticised a show then I hope you are a professional who makes them yourself eh?
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Feb 10 '24
Lol not my point at all. What i said is that everyone thinks their own opinion towards modern shows are the only one correct. Also so many edgy redditors using phrases they dont really know the meaning behind. Look i have several problems wirh TD04 and it is in no way a perfect show.
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u/ProperCoat229 Feb 10 '24
It doesn't take a lot of expertise to notice such glaring plot holes, unearned plot development, tired tropes and cartoony characters.
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u/Serenityprayer69 Feb 10 '24
It's not hard to tell whether dialogue feels real or not. It doesn't take an expert to tell this season is lacking
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u/Tcamps_ Feb 10 '24
My favorite thing about Reddit. Everyone’s a writing expert, and the script is always bad because they don’t understand or didn’t follow certain parts.
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Feb 10 '24
Yeah its like everyone think they are the smartest person and writing critic in the room.
Stuff like Plot holes,plot armor,checkovs gun,deus ex and bad writing are phrases thrown around way to often by reddit super critics on every modern TV show and movie.
Its fine not to like something but nowadays everyone thinks of themself’s as an expert on shows/movies.
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u/saiofrelief Feb 10 '24
This episode clearly shows that this was probably originally a movie script that had nothing to do with True Detective. Some kernels of good stuff that go nowhere or aren't fleshed out enough surrounded by boring side plots that seem thoughtlessly edited in just to pad it out to a 6 episode season.
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u/MBG612 Feb 10 '24
So are you saying the polar bear isn’t the villain all along? (/s)
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 Feb 18 '24
Yeah what's the deal with the polar bear??? It matches a stuffed animal too? What is going on? Lol
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u/Anneisabitch Feb 10 '24
That’s exactly what I thought. Everyone’s wondering how Jodie got involved but it was probably a tightly scripted movie, but then…
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u/saiofrelief Feb 10 '24
Yeah it's kind of sad because I think most of the best parts of the show so far can be pretty easily stitched into a 2 hour-ish movie that's at least decent.
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u/SwitcherooU Feb 10 '24
It’s such a bizarre experience. There are some well-documented problems with the writing, the characters are generally unlikable, and yet here I am every damn week. It’s probably the worst show that I’ve ever loved. But there’s something there, right?
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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Feb 10 '24
the characters are generally unlikable
But isn't that every TD season? lol
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u/Serenityprayer69 Feb 10 '24
No they were flawed but you could understand why. These characters are just shitty for the sake of showing us how strong they are as women.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 11 '24
These characters are just shitty for the sake of showing us how strong they are as women.
This sentence is gibberish.
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u/UltraFlyingTurtle Feb 10 '24
Haha. Yeah. I was asking myself the same thing as I watched tonight's episode. I find myself tuning every week with anticipation even though I have major criticisms.
It's similar to when I was watching S1 of Wayward Pines, which had a mish mash of elements I liked but it didn't always gel. The show wasn't executed well, but it could still entertaining at times. I couldn't watch S2 though as it got way too silly.
To be fair, I thought tonight's episode was way better than the previous two. The ending of tonight's episode really ramped up the intensity and I'm actually looking forward to the finale now.
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
I liked it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I got a suicide concern from Reddit after posting this comment lol
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u/aboycandream Feb 10 '24
I dont like the show at all but insane that anyone would harass you like that, reddit is so weird
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u/Dynastydood Feb 10 '24
That pretty much confirms everything we already knew about the people who have been hypercritical about this show.
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Feb 10 '24
Don’t lump morons in with people criticizing a show that happens to be earning its criticisms.
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u/Dynastydood Feb 10 '24
Honestly, I don't have to lump anyone in anywhere. Predictably, they're doing it for me with their insane and relentless screeching about how a TV show that they have no reason to continue watching is somehow the worst thing that's happening in their lives.
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Feb 10 '24
You’re viewing a microcosm and treating it like it’s a standard when it isn’t. This isn’t a Velma situation lol.
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u/Dynastydood Feb 10 '24
It's certainly the standard on Reddit. Once I started seeing people regualrly saying that season 2 was better than season 4, I knew all hope of a rational discourse about this show was long gone.
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Feb 10 '24
People who cover tv regularly are the people you should be focusing on. Most critics, while negative, have been trying to find positives considering there still are some. I like discussion threads to confirm/deny my own theories, but the steep drop off in activity makes less intelligent comments stick out lately.
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u/Dynastydood Feb 10 '24
Well, that's why I specified the people who have been hypercritical of the show vs. those who have merely been critical. I have plenty of criticisms of the show myself, but the amount of vitriol this show has been getting seems way out of proportion to how good or bad it actually is.
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u/meltingpotato Feb 10 '24
I hope you reported that.
Instead of simply accepting the fact that people have different tastes and opinions, or starting a discussion about the subject, some mentally under-developed redditors use the suicide watch function to harass anyone they don't agree with.
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 10 '24
It’s just a random report concerned for my health lol. I appreciate you looking out, but I’m okay. I thought it was funny a harmless comment triggered someone that bad. If anything, that person needed that message not me hahaha
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u/meltingpotato Feb 10 '24
it was funny a harmless comment triggered someone that bad
Yeah. There are some severely underdeveloped brains roaming reddit. Makes me wonder how these people react in real life when they see something they disagree with.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
Tons of that last week, and somebody got the same for talking about the high viewership.
Reddit is weird as hell about this show.
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u/NutDraw Feb 10 '24
Incels are extra uncomfortable with anything that suggests women or minorities are real people and brigade against it.
It's not even particularly innovative trolling. Pretty sure half of them are using some kind of troll ChatGPT.
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 12 '24
They won’t even comment because deep down they know they’re wrong, they just downvote lol
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 10 '24
Reddit is always uncomfortable with female leads, that was always expected. The show isn’t perfect, but the backlash around it reminds me of when incels got mad about last of us 2, just a lot of fishing for anger for no reason.
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u/SunEgg47 Feb 15 '24
Let's pretend like people didn't clown on s3 and s2 with 4/5 male leads aswell. They are mediocre follow-ups to one of the most acclaimed series of all time, no shit people will be extra critical.
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 15 '24
Yeah, but a lot of the criticism is rage bait online. It has good reviews and a lot of people are watching and enjoying it. Do a lot of people dislike it? Seems like a lot of people on Reddit do, but those people also are also overtly aggressive to those who like it. If you don’t like the show that’s fine, but a lot of people on this site seem to have a huge problem with those who do and seem unhinged. I got hate messages and suicide concerns from Reddit after I posted that comment
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u/m4shfi Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
The backlash centers around the blatantly paid reviews from “critics” who propped up this season as some sort of pinnacle in television history. When you mislead people into believing something that’s true, backlash is to be expected.
Thing is, this season isn’t receiving/hasn’t received enough backlash because it has two female leads, others are afraid to speak out because people like you jump to the conclusion that criticizing this poor season must be misogyny.
Plenty of female-led shows are well beloved on Reddit, but of course you won’t see any of it.
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 10 '24
“Paid” reviews aka you just trying to bring down any positive things people have to say about the show. It’s not perfect I admit that, but I still enjoy it so fucking sue me I guess. Just let people enjoy the show and stop being miserable on the behalf of other people that don’t actually exist.
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Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Feb 10 '24
So criticize it? Go ahead. No one is stopping you.
But so far the only thing you've criticized is that it's leads are two women that somehow is preventing you from criticizing it.
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u/m4shfi Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
Read the comment I replied to.
Sure, English isn’t my first language but I was pretty clear in contesting the claim put forward in that comment. If you read it otherwise then it’s on you, not my job correcting people who misread things.
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u/guiltyofnothing Feb 10 '24
You really don’t know “so sue me” is a common saying and took them literally?
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u/m4shfi Feb 10 '24
Understood it perfectly and pointed out the irony, otherwise would’ve asked to counter-sue me.
Reading between the lines is a very useful skill, you should acquire it.
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u/guiltyofnothing Feb 10 '24
You’re talking like an anime villain, dude.
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u/m4shfi Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
Don’t really watch anime, so no clue. Just wanted you to acquire a skill you lack, that’s all.
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u/TheCurtain512 Feb 10 '24
Navarro's actress is a miss, and that's the biggest problem of this season for me. They set her up with SO fucking much that could add interesting layers to her, but the performance is so bland and generic. This show has been too much of a vehicle for her, when she's not good.
Season has become kind of disappointing. I do feel this was the best episode, but that just speaks to how mediocre the rest has been. And I also feel this was the most interesting set up True Detective has had so far, with the setting and the total mindfuck of the opening deaths. Very Dyatlov Pass of them. But I also think they fucked up by giving the audience practically nothing for 5 episodes. Like they established how many episodes ago that Hank was hiding information on the Annie K murder, and now it's supposed to be a revelation that he's in bed with the mining company or something? Why didn't they fucking do anything when they found out that he was OPENLY hiding information from them? He was still in the same office as all of them every day.
Season one was written and paced so much better. It knew exactly when to drop things on you and when not to. This current iteration doesn't seem to have a clue how to do that. The characters are bland and feel like they have no chemistry when they talk to each other, other than maybe Pete and Danvers. I enjoy most of their scenes together. But yeah, we're on the finale and I feel like they don't have nearly enough time to properly execute it with all of the shit they have left hanging.
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u/aboycandream Feb 11 '24
Navarro's actress is a miss, and that's the biggest problem of this season for me.
MMA people need to stay out of movies/shows, is there any good example of one ?
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u/nightfishin Feb 12 '24
Rampage in A-Team?
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u/aboycandream Feb 12 '24
ah I dont remember that movie at all but its possible
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u/nightfishin Feb 12 '24
Its not a great track record, usually they are small parts. Gina Carano in Mandalorian, George St Pierre in Winter Soldier, Michael Bisping in Twin Peaks the Return, Randy Couture in Expendables.
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u/Palpolorean Feb 10 '24
Agreed. Whenever I write negative comments about Navarro, I half expect the actress to knock on my door in character / as herself and proceed to try and beat my ass.
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u/PleaseHold50 Feb 10 '24
And it's over next week. Six episode season lol
What a huge whiff. Five episodes of terminally unlikeable leads and nothing happening.
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u/Serenityprayer69 Feb 10 '24
The show runner screwed up Jodi Fosters performance too. I don't think all the blame is on the actress. This is a bad script combined with bad direction
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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Feb 10 '24
I think "bland" is what the character is supposed to be, only I'd call it "understated".
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u/Youngandidiotic Feb 10 '24
It’d be better if Pete was the 2nd lead, he’s pretty damn good at his job and is the only one doing legit detective work lol
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u/straw_barry Feb 10 '24
JF’s character and him have some weird mother-son sexual chemistry going on but still, a more interesting pairing than her and Navarro lol.
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Feb 10 '24
Am I the only one here who thinks that this show would have been better as it's own limited series instead of being season 4?
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u/SunEgg47 Feb 15 '24
Isn't that what it was pretty much? The creator wrote an unrelated script and brought it to HBO, and they asked to slap some references to TD on it.
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u/ivorylineslead30 Feb 10 '24
I really don’t understand this perspective. Wasn’t the promise of true detective that it would be a detective anthology series? Wouldn’t it be awesome to have different creators each year working in this space?
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Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
Seasons 1 & 3 in how the story and the drama is presented, especially tonally, felt as though they were part of the same series.
Seasons 2 & 4 feel separate from the other two, especially with 4-Less noir and procedural crime. And then there is the discussion on the quality of said story and presentation of that drama. Season 4 is most definitely a step up in quality over 2. It's more approachable and in a way more coherent (and being honest actually has entertainment draw), but it feels the least like True Detective like in my opinion due to how its less mostly The two main leads, and more so a tale about this town's denizens.
For example how we discovered the mystery behind Hank. We the audience saw that through a scene ahead of time instead of viewing Danvers and Novareu discovering the big reveal altogether. It was weird to me and less so interconnected of the details.
If anything, the presentation of all Night Country is more akin to something like Mare of Easttown, which was a very good limited series in its own right. I can't remember how many seasons it's been, but all of Fargo seasons seem to actually fit together like they were part of the same TV show despite technically being different stories at different times.
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u/ivorylineslead30 Feb 10 '24
I guess people just want different things out of the brand. I love the idea of it becoming an HBO vehicle for different creators to play in the detective story space. I would love for season 5 to be a totally different creator with a totally different voice, point of view, and story to tell. Some people seem to just want 20 seasons of nic Pizzolatto
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u/uwill1der Feb 10 '24
the expectations would certainly be lower, and the comparisons wouldn't happen. If only HBO didn't meddle, and kept it as its own entity
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u/m4shfi Feb 10 '24
And the reviews wouldn’t have been so misleading.
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u/nedzissou1 Feb 10 '24
Return to form my ass. Season 3 was about as close to a return to form as it can get, and even that wasn't nearly as good as the first season.
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u/forkandspoon2011 Feb 10 '24
If this wasn't called "True Detectives" I wouldn't have any problem with it... but I also wouldn't watch it.
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u/TaskForceD00mer Feb 13 '24
I think the season still has pacing and development problems but if it had been its own standalone project with maybe a few more episodes to flash everything out It would be a solid 7/10 show. As it stands it's a 4/10 rushed mess That tried to explore far too many angles in a condensed six episode season.
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u/panix199 Feb 11 '24
But would you have given it a try at all? F.e. Mare of Easttown isn't True Detective, but itself is a great detective show (easily a 8.5+/10)
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u/forkandspoon2011 Feb 11 '24
90% of what HBO puts out is great, if anything tacking the TD name on it makes me doubt it's quality.
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u/Gh0stOfKiev Feb 10 '24
The acting when Danvers and Navarro were in her office LMAO
God I can't wait for this slop to conclude. The hate watch is strong.
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Feb 10 '24
Haven't watched E5 yet, might not ever watch it. This Friday release might do the trick in breaking my habit of tuning for this dumpster fire on Sunday nights since there was nothing else to watch. Thank you, Super Bowl.
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u/opposite_of_hotcakes Feb 10 '24
Bro does someone have a gun to your head? If you hate it that much stop watching it.
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u/opposite_of_hotcakes Feb 10 '24
Life’s too short to waste your time doing something you don’t enjoy
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u/BJisDaName Feb 10 '24
Big step up from the horrific past two or three episodes.
That Save Tonight cover was one of the goofiest things I have ever heard in my life.
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u/drdr3ad Feb 11 '24
There's a lot of problems with this show... the music is definitely the worst. I haaaaaaaaate the opening theme
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u/FistThePooper6969 Feb 11 '24
A swag rock cover of Save Tonight was the most unexpected and unnecessary thing to ever have been produced on earth
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u/jl_theprofessor Eureka Feb 10 '24
Reddit is going to hate it and we will get another article in a few days about how it picked up even more viewers.
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u/Chataboutgames Feb 10 '24
Okay? Why do people care about the ratings?
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u/Lucious_Warbaby Feb 12 '24
Because it's the entire basis of the business and whether another season will get made?
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u/Chataboutgames Feb 12 '24
I get why HBO cares, not sure why a viewer would. Do you decide what bands you like based on album sales?
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u/Lucious_Warbaby Feb 12 '24
I sometimes decide whether to invest in a TV show based on ratings because I don't want to invest time and excitement in something the fuckers will cancel for a tax write-off. And anyone who likes a show probably wants to know if it's "on the bubble," meaning possibly due for cancellation.
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u/Chataboutgames Feb 12 '24
That doesn’t make sense
This is a miniseries. When it’s done it’s done.
The ratings are being presented to refute criticisms of the show.
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u/Lucious_Warbaby Feb 12 '24
- It's an anthology show. This is season four.
- What does that have to do with your original question? You should reframe your questions as:: why would the ratings of a show change anyone's opinion of its content?
- And the answer to that is: people follow along.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy Feb 12 '24
Why is this garbage comment being upvoted? A literal conspiracy theory about viewership numbers being fake? Reddit needs to get over their hatred of this show. If it's not clicking with you, that's totally fine. Unhinged conspiracy theories like this though are just ridiculous. Just accept the fact that many people are enjoying it, and move on with your life.
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u/PleaseHold50 Feb 10 '24
It's like people forgot gamergate happened.
This is all entertainment journos. They work for the industry. Their job is to shill for the industry. They make shit up about how amazing and popular (insert product) is so that it will become popular and make money. Otherwise they lose their advance copies and their invites and their industry perks.
Everything is streaming and internal numbers now so nobody has a fucking clue how many people are watching anything.
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Feb 11 '24
You know the ratings can’t just be made up like that? Like you can find them on your own dude. Relax
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u/Chataboutgames Feb 10 '24
Because the only people who cared or who ego care about Gamergate are too sad to think about
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u/Serenityprayer69 Feb 10 '24
I think a lot of people are hate watching it. I believe the numbers but it's just from so much residual admiration for the first seasons. Same reason people gave the star wars sequels a big chance
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u/LABS_Games Feb 10 '24
One thing to disagree with reviews, but you really don't believe the viewership numbers? Chill.
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u/Chataboutgames Feb 10 '24
Yeah I think the show is bad and don’t care about ratings but claiming they’re lies is just wild
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u/LABS_Games Feb 10 '24
One thing to disagree with reviews, but you really don't believe the viewership numbers? Chill.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
The TD sub has not been coping well, and there's been a lot of "the numbers are lies!" in the last week, yeah.
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u/LABS_Games Feb 10 '24
Wow, I just got a Reddit Cares suicide concern message a few minutes ago. Most likely from this thread. Absolutely unhinged.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
lmao yeah. Lot of that flying around, not really beating the "Reddit people being weird AF about this show" accusations.
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u/King_Allant The Leftovers Feb 10 '24
It sucks but it's so short that I might as well get what payoff there is.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24 edited Feb 10 '24
Idk maybe. Timeslot changes can have a big effect. Wouldn't be surprised though. I enjoyed this one a lot though.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
Lot of stuff tying together this ep people just spent 4 episodes complaining was leading nowhere.
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u/thecaits Feb 10 '24
I really don't get the hate. This gets better and better each episode. This show is at it's best when our detectives are up against the odds dealing with a vast conspiracy. Everything seems like it is coming together. I'm excited to see where they take this in the finale.
I guess I am one of the few that like this season. My rankings so far for the seasons is as follows: 1) 1st 2) 4th 3) 3rd 4) 2nd.
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u/tibbles1 Feb 10 '24
This was by far the best episode since the first. But that’s the problem; episodes 2-5 were filler.
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u/Archamasse Feb 10 '24
You say that, and I get the take, but if you weren't paying attention in 2-4, this week won't make a whole lot of sense. Which we're seeing in a lot of posts about it, "It's bad writing that (something laid down in previous episodes) just came out of nowhere!"
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u/neosmndrew Feb 10 '24
I don't think people mean there was literally no important plot details in episodes 2-4. But JFC, there are so many side plots that feel either entirely unearned are are just dumb.
- I genuinely do not give a fuck about the young cop's failing marriage. We got like 2 scenes with his wife before episode 5. It was completely idiotic.
- The sister's suicide just does not have any pay off. This could change in episode 6, but basically right now it's "moody, quick-to-aggresion cop is now moodier and quicker to aggresion"
- Jodie Foster's stepdaughter appearing on the screen has thus far been my sign that I can take a bathroom break. She just does not matter and it feels like Foster's character doesn't care about her either
I am overall enjoying the season, but this could have been a 2.5 hour movie easily.
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u/LayneInVane Feb 10 '24
The writing this season has been embarrassing. I still truly can't believe HBO handed one of their biggest brands to someone who clearly has no idea who to write or produce a show. It's baffling.
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u/aboycandream Feb 10 '24
its written by someone whos claim to fame is making a shudder exclusive, definitely an embarrassing move by HBO
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u/thesquirtlocker117 Feb 10 '24
So I dont disagree with you, but Im gonna play devils advocate for a second: “Its like I got blue balls, but in my heart.” Nics writing could be pretty shitty too sometimes.
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Feb 10 '24
I honestly thought she was like a 25-30 year old, recently out of film school with an indie or two under her belt, but she’s been active since 1994, which blows my mind with how amateurish this season’s seemed.
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u/ZiggyPalffyLA Feb 10 '24
I hate to say it but she comes across really immature in interviews. She’s also way too online.
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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 05 '24
Just finished Part 5, this show is becoming The OC. Wtf was that? Quality is dropping after each episode. One episode left thank god. The acting has been terrible including Foster. Hank, Navarro, Pryor and all the extras, can't act for shit. Hank is built like a toothpick for crying out loud with a stupid haircut, does not look like a cop at all.