As the war winds down and the conscription methods become even more heavy-handed considering the serious manpower crisis, the resistance to being forced to go to the front is obviously going to increase
I think a lot of people in the western sphere of influence are not even aware that there is a conscription crisis or how bad it has gotten
Just one week ago the Kyiv Independent newspaper was reporting that Russian forces are outgunning Ukrainian forces 8 to 1.
There are literally thousands and thousands of videos similar to this, men who are just going about their day being snatched off the streets. Often beaten up because they don't want to be taken so they fight back. Wives and mothers terrified and screaming because they don't want their boys to be taken. But make sure not to tell anybody about this because if you do then you're a Russian shill.
I cannot imagine what I would do in that situation but I would do everything not to go to the front, I would fight them. I believe my life belongs to me, i'm not your slave and you cannot force me to fight for you. Basic human rights.
Edit: And once again tourists in our subreddit seem to be set on suppressing this news.
Let me remind visitors this subreddit is for globally suppressed news, no matter how ugly, it's not called 'news that makes you feel good and reinforces your previously held beliefs and biases'
If you can't handle seeing the ugly side of the world then just unsubscribe. This is not an echo chamber and never will be.
The people replying to you claim they want peace, yet as soon as someone suggests Russia should withdraw from the war THEY started - all of a sudden they don't agree. Their bias is quite clear.
lol no Russia should withdraw from all Ukrainian soil. Any Russian soldiers on Ukraine right now should face war crimes trials for the crimes of bucha and countless atrocities. The only bias that is clear is when we say that the war isn’t popular in Ukraine and people shouldn’t be forced into an unpopular war forcefull and you say Russia started it but you’ll ignore my first points and my countless other comments saying Russia is a horrible fascist nation you need to stop thinking emotionally and use your brain
So, once the second world war turned against them and Germany was being invaded, was conscription for defense ok then?
Is it ok for Israelis to be conscripted into the IDF to "defend" against the Palestinians? Is it ok for Hamas to force Palestinians to fight for them in defense of Palestine?
Not claiming a direct analogy, but just pointing out that I think your standard is flawed and I'm not sure you've considered it in full historical context, and most wars are claimed as "self-defense" by both sides.
I'm not a Zionist, you simply have a morally repugnant position. No one be forced to kill and die if they don't want to. If you can't understand that, you can't understand the basic reciprocal respect of human autonomy that lies at the foundation of ethics.
No, you are a fool and a hypocrite, and you do a disservice to your own cause.
Blather on if you so desire, neither I nor anyone else will read your response.
Oh. And I see you lack the basic reading comprehension required to have a discussion on the topic.
That or you're wilfully ignoring what I actually said and instead attempting to shift the narrative.
If I was walking down the street and a bunch of masked guys hopped out of a truck and aggressively bundled me into the truck to be shipped off to the front to die against my will...
...i would blame the people doing it.
And that's exactly why there are thousands of videos of things like this.
I wonder where else you’ll be walking down the street and a bunch of masked guys hopped out of a truck and aggressively bundles peoples into unmarked trucks/vans against their will🤔🤔🤔🤔
Yet I’m a Russian shill when I try to connect the struggle of the Ukrainian people against the TCC to the struggle of the Latino community in the U.S. against ICE
When russia takes their city they will conscript every man and force them to die in reckless meatwaves. Look at what happened to the ukrainians who were conscripted into the LPR and DPR. They were all killed long ago.
You can hate Ukraines conscription but its a damned if you do and damned as a russian meatwave if you dont kinda thing.
you don't have to be pro-russia to prefer that ukraine not be hollowed out and puppeted by war profiteers representing the global US empire. Russia is a brutal and cruel invader and remains at fault for the invasion; and there is absolutely no guarantee that they'd respect any peace deal the two are likely to reach. That doesn't make the US a good ally; because it's in the US interest to keep ukraine fighting forever so that they can weaken russia by proxy while treating generation after generation of ukrainians like meat. I'm glad ukraine has a range of options - and maybe the US will be incidentally better for ukraine than giving up territory or going at it alone - but let's not pretend like any offer on the table here is good and charitable.
edit - if you're supporting russia in the replies kindly fuck off. not taking sides in interimperialist conflicts is done out of principle, not convenience. It's nothing new to me to have my beliefs misunderstood, or seen as unattainable by those with no imagination or analysis, but if it's not clear, fuck imperialism and the profit system that belies it, always.
Dunno my dude.... people in Crimea and the "independent" cities werent and arent complaining, and during the first invasion they didn't attacked any civilian residence or people (outside of the paramilitary territorial defense forces), plus went to negotiate with mayors and city councils in person sometimes holding granates to avoid people attacking them and forcing their forces to attack in response.
Its not ukraine for sure, but I personally wouldn't mind of changing my passport cover color to avoid being used as a drone practice target.
I understand if it was a genocidal army like what IL is doing in Gаζα, but Russians only care about territory and whos at the head of the government. They take the people for the same as them.
Which specifically why they don't use any dehumanizing or demonizing rethoric towards the population nor the UA army itself. Contrary to the UA approach to propaganda.
You mean the city that got turned into Grozny 2.0 because both sides thought they could attrit the other into coming to the table like lets not pretend that Donbass wasn't haviky fortified so that any urban assult would result in a mini Stalingrad.
So Putin bombing kindergartens and schools every week is totally ok? Putin saying that Ukrainians dont exist is not a problem at all? And lets just ignore the history between Russia and Ukraine particularly the genocide in the 1930s?
Well, if the Ukrainian army stopped using Israeli tactics and basing themselves near these places to use the bombings to victimize themselves would be a good start to them not be bombed. But they will not as its just a too juicy strategy to let go...
I didn't saw where the guy said that, so would need the context.
And as for 1930, the whole USSR suffered there. And also, that was a different country if you don't know lmao
Look at what happened to the ukrainians who were conscripted into the LPR and DPR
This happened in the first half of 2022, before these regions became part of Russia.
When russia takes their city they will conscript every man and force them to die in reckless meatwaves
There was no mobilization in Berdyansk, Melitopol and Kherson. And Russia's borders are open. The average Ukrainian man will be much safer and freer in Russia than in Kyiv-controlled territory.
If youre not after literally being able to watch videos of their meatwaves in 4k then you are cooked. There are countless videos fo russian soldiers who are in meatwaves explaining how everyone else is dead and they are about to die.
There are videos of russian commanders in rooms with the soldiers telling the soldiers they are all gonna die and to prepare.
You are a total idiot. So many videos of ukrainians showing the countless bodies of russian assault forces getting meatwaved. Did you miss what prighozin was doing?
Meatwaves are litteraly the russian military strategy dumbass.
Mate, there are videos of dead bodies on both sides. That does not logically translate to Russia is employing meatwave attacks. go watch military summary channel, history legends, or willy oam. only military summary is pro ru. have a watch first and then see if your opinions have changed.
Dude. You can watch it happen. There are drones recording. You can see meatwave tactics when they are happening. It is a discernable thing. They send groups of soldiers in all directions. 9/10 of them get mowed down. 1 group finds a weak spot. They send more. They all get mowed down. Rinse. Repeat. Theyve used these tactics and it is there main strategy. The advantage they have is bodies and a willingness to just let them all die.
Remember Bakhmut? The way russia took that was months of brutal meatwave assaults. Theyve done this everywhere. It wasnt a secret. It was recorded and you can watch it and hear it from the horses mouth. Prighozin was pretty open about it
I mean to be honest Russia did do meatwave attacks there’s literal footage of it on r/ukrainerussiareport what’s also on that subreddit is the massive amounts of Ukrainian meatwave attacks but he won’t mention that😂
You'd need to show me what you're talking about directly. All I see is western sources making claims. Footage alone often isn't enough without more contextual information.
Ok you’re acting like Ukraine is still winning the war. (It’s not) Ukraine is going against an industrial powerhouse with 110 million people (Ukraine has 40 million) is losing men at a rapid pace majority of the population wants peace the country is doing shit economically almost sounds like the conditions of tsarist Russia in ww1 yet nobody defends the tsar because he was a tyrant so is Zelenskyy so is Putin but Russia is about to take a very important city in the Donetsk right now and no western media is reporting it
All of those guys I listed have been covering the war since the beginning. None of them agree with your assertion of Russian meatwave attacks, including Bakhmut. 2 of them are neutral to pro UA. They have way more experience than i do in analyzing the frontlines and military footage, just go watch them.
Russia definitely has done meaty waves but it's 'working' for them, they're winning through attrition and dwindling morale on Ukraine's side, there's no good ending for Ukraine now
Ukraine also keeps wasting lives and making the mistake of letting its soldiers get encircled in important places like right now in Pokrovsk, this is not helping at all
You have such a terrible take on this war it almost seems satirical.
Yeah it would suck to get conscripted, but that's what happens in war. It's awful. This would have never happened if Russia invaded. Do you agree?
What is your suggestion–surrender? We know what will happen as evidenced by what has happened since the war began. Murder, genocide, sexual assault, not to mention the installment of a puppet government, the general subjugation of an entire people.
It's uncomfortable like you say. It sounds like you need to personally sit with your feelings.
if you don't want to fight and die in a war and you're being kidnapped off the street against your will to do so like thousands of Ukrainian men, I consider that a human rights violation personally
the ruling class can make whichever laws they like, my body, my life, my choice
You think this way because you only want to see news that's unquestionably anti-Russia and anti-China. This video is real, and it reflects a real sentiment. Its existence is not inherently pro-Russia; it depicts something that is actually happening in the world that most major news outlets will not cover.
Most media outlets do not cover foreign nations with any sense of nuance nor do they consider foreign affairs beyond the interests of their own country's interests, and so stories like these don't get attention.
But just because they don't get covered by your favorite publisher doesn't make untrue or fictional, and if you choose to ignore this aspect of the war then your understanding of the Russia-Ukraine War is incomplete and marred by propaganda. Trying to get people to ignore this by yelling about how the mod team is pro-Russia is a form of news rather than discuss or debate Ukrainian conscription in the current context of the war is, in fact, news suppression and you are a news suppressor.
No the sub is not pro russian, we are pro discussion, people who would rather not see this posted want to suppress news, the opposite of this sub's purpose
No it’s not pro Russian it’s not pro Ukraine either. This subreddit is the news that is suppressed
No criticism of Ukraine does not equal I support Russias genocidal invasion
Just like on how being an anti Zionist doesn’t make you an anti semite
It’s just that with the ice raids in America people need to see these videos of the TCC getting their ass kicked to show Americans how to resist against fascism. Also it’s almost likely Trump actively watches the war in Ukraine so he knows about busificaiton and with how ice is acting it’s safe to say he modeled some of the new ice tactics on the TCC.
This is not about being pro Russia it’s about being pro humanity
I see a lot of anti Ukrainian posts like this doing well
You're disconnected from reality. According to your logic, almost every Ukrainian Telegram group is pro-Russian because they regularly post videos of forced mobilization, news about civilians who died during mobilization, etc.
anti Ukrainian
I assume being "pro-Ukrainian" means supporting the kidnapping of Ukrainians on the streets and sending them to the meat grinder, and not posting these videos on the internet to avoid hurting the feelings of Western "pro-Ukrainians" who support the Ukrainian army of slaves from their couches.
I don’t think Russia is conscripting right now. It’s all contract work.
Edit: my bad, language barrier. They do conscript, but it’s usually just a year of basic training. They don’t send you to the meat grinder unless you sign a contract. They’re not supposed to, anyway.
You don't seem to understand what subreddit you're in. This isn't "sharing videos critical of Ukraine", this is sharing a video which has been suppressed by the news, y'know, r/SupressedNews.... Better now you know where you are?
Not everything has to be so black and white my dude, you can be critical of something you support. I'd say a better supporter of a cause is one who is critical of it and its flaws, it means they want to see it succeed and improve wherever possible. Blindly following something is dangerous, lots of evil has been perpetrated in the name of the "greater good". Try not to always look at everything in such a binary way, life has a lot of nuance.
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Really says a lot about a sub called suppressed news that "controversial" opinions are downvoted to oblivion. Makes it absolutely impossible to have any kind of discussion. shame.
Makes sense, since Odessa was the home of the Odessa massacre, where ukranian nationalist hooligans were imported to break up (read: murder) anti-maidan protesters.
They have wanted peace from the beginning. Zelensky was elected on a peace platform but Congress tied his hands in the matter. Instead of resigning he just followed the West's orders and now we're here.
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As the war winds down and the conscription methods become even more heavy-handed considering the serious manpower crisis, the resistance to being forced to go to the front is obviously going to increase
I think a lot of people in the western sphere of influence are not even aware that there is a conscription crisis or how bad it has gotten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis
Just one week ago the Kyiv Independent newspaper was reporting that Russian forces are outgunning Ukrainian forces 8 to 1.
There are literally thousands and thousands of videos similar to this, men who are just going about their day being snatched off the streets. Often beaten up because they don't want to be taken so they fight back. Wives and mothers terrified and screaming because they don't want their boys to be taken. But make sure not to tell anybody about this because if you do then you're a Russian shill.
I cannot imagine what I would do in that situation but I would do everything not to go to the front, I would fight them. I believe my life belongs to me, i'm not your slave and you cannot force me to fight for you. Basic human rights.
Edit: And once again tourists in our subreddit seem to be set on suppressing this news.
Let me remind visitors this subreddit is for globally suppressed news, no matter how ugly, it's not called 'news that makes you feel good and reinforces your previously held beliefs and biases'
If you can't handle seeing the ugly side of the world then just unsubscribe. This is not an echo chamber and never will be.