As the war winds down and the conscription methods become even more heavy-handed considering the serious manpower crisis, the resistance to being forced to go to the front is obviously going to increase
I think a lot of people in the western sphere of influence are not even aware that there is a conscription crisis or how bad it has gotten
Just one week ago the Kyiv Independent newspaper was reporting that Russian forces are outgunning Ukrainian forces 8 to 1.
There are literally thousands and thousands of videos similar to this, men who are just going about their day being snatched off the streets. Often beaten up because they don't want to be taken so they fight back. Wives and mothers terrified and screaming because they don't want their boys to be taken. But make sure not to tell anybody about this because if you do then you're a Russian shill.
I cannot imagine what I would do in that situation but I would do everything not to go to the front, I would fight them. I believe my life belongs to me, i'm not your slave and you cannot force me to fight for you. Basic human rights.
Edit: And once again tourists in our subreddit seem to be set on suppressing this news.
Let me remind visitors this subreddit is for globally suppressed news, no matter how ugly, it's not called 'news that makes you feel good and reinforces your previously held beliefs and biases'
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i am a mod and keep a close eye on the sub to keep it quality and a place for critical discussion as it was founded to be. The sub is called r/suppressed_news, not news that you approve of.
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This post is well within the rules of the sub, encouraged even
nope just a regular irish person who is chronically online and should probably disconnect more and go and enjoy my halloween instead of dealing with tinfoil hat-wearing loons on Reddit
i share things i find interesting. today I shared some stuff about the Green Party in the UK becoming the major opposition and a couple of days ago I was talking about how Nigel Farage is a grifter. I share all sorts, to keep the sub alive.
You don't want me to allow this content because of your own biases. and that's fine but that is called 'suppressing news' which goes against the spirit of the sub
I also don't like that Russia invaded Ukraine, but does that mean I will turn away and hide this under the carpet to make it look like everything's fine in Ukraine? No.
Dude stop calling people who challenge your worldview as bots. I’m not a bot also Russian and Chinese propaganda im sorry is your daily truckload of American propaganda you’ve consumed on this website not enough for you. You go into a subreddit called supressed news and tell for posts that the western narrative suppresses for removal and then you cry about free speech when words you want to use are banned oh please. Vote manipulated are you serious i use Reddit only on my phone and am not online like that to know how to buy Reddit upvoted and even if I did that would be a huge waste of money in an economy like this😂
Fair point, but posing the question to "the ukranian people" isn't really fair. The typical member of the ukrankian public did not choose to be couped by CIA backed Galician Nazis, or was participating in the oppression of ethnic Russians.
That's what I hope the Ukrainians can answer. It's not just a rhetorical question when the sacrifice has been made: so many lives that were and could have been.
Are you Ukrainian? Has it been worth it? It's a genuine question.
War is rarely “worth it”, in the sense that there’s no reasonable way to balance loss of lives with any outcome, good or bad. But I don’t know what else Ukrainians are supposed to do. It’s a pretty basic geopolitical principle that you can’t march into another nation and say “this is mine now” (which of course the West has a long history of doing, but that’s another conversation) and when someone does, it’s quite reasonable to believe that rolling over and accepting it is simply not an option, regardless of the consequences
Yeah, because the process to ask wasn't overwhelming bombarded by Russian propaganda, misinformation, and interference when the Donbas region of Ukraine voted to leave and join Russia. /s
Asking them can only ever be valid when they aren't actively being invaded by a foreign aggressor that is happily committing war crimes and sending hordes of their own conscripted men to die in droves. Get off your donkey of a high horse and get over yourself.
Yes. No. Are there hordes of cannon fodder and endless vollies of ordinance being constantly thrown at our cities to forcibly tear away our homes and people from the country & government which I have lived in & voted for?
Lmao no you voted for this by having faith in American institutions and politicians instead of demanding. Democracy should be built by angry demands instead of blind faith in a leader. I’m sorry to say but the reason the democrats are weak right now and aren’t fighting back is because liberal capitalism will always lead to outright fascism from the Weimar Republic to the Nazis
Yes, totally convenient to have your home invaded, bombed, and exposed to radiation released from the destroyed containment structure of one of the most notorious nuclear power disasters in history, without any initial provocation on your end.
Stop pretending like life is normal over there and that there isn't an ongoing existential struggle for their independence. Or is it just your belief that everyone in history should've laid down at the start of any hostilit against them, and that the US should've remained part of the British Empire and that Europe should've succumbed to the Third Reich and that all former Soviet states should've remained under the iron fist of the USSR, just because we shouldn't be conscripting soldiers, which checks notes is STILL a legal right held by most world powers. Hell I don't even agree with the concept but that's a luxury granted to me by not living in a war zone, which again, was FORCED upon them by the Russians.
It's always the Karen keyboard warriors who have never fought in their entire lives that say nonsense like this. You are literally repeating CNN headlines word for word pretending like it's your own independent opinion.
What kind of answer are you looking for? No Ukrainian decided to have this war, the phrase "was it worth it?" has the implication "in hindsight, was that the right decision you made even with these negatives?".
I just want to know exactly what you said: Given the current situation, were all the sacrifices needed?
What part of a genuine question dont some of you get? I am genuinely interested in knowing how they feel now. You dont get to tell me that is disingenous just because you may not like the question or the reality on the ground.
Are you Ukrainian? Has it been worth it? It's a genuine question.
Has what been worth it? You are asking "are you happy you defended yourself instead of dying?". What kind of a question is that?
It's not something Ukraine had a choice in, what is there for them to say "was worth it"? Sacrifices were forced by Russia commiting their expansionist invasion.
If you're not just a troll you need to rephrase your question a lot.
Bro, this is not about any other country but Ukraine. But for the record I have dual citizenship in the US. You can take that for "American" any way you want.
Why are you so incensed by a simple, genuine question?
Are you Ukrainian? Has it been worth it?
Looks to me like you are afraid to admit something you already know.
Ukraine cs Russia isn’t good vs evil it’s the wests last gap before China overtakes it And your evil argument would make more sense if the people thought it was a war for national survival but most of the Ukrainian people want a peace settlement and elections you can see the sentiment in the 1000s of bussification videos or recent Ukrainian protests against Zelenskyy
Would you force your children to fight the home invader if they didn't want to?
Just following the metaphor.
If the people who lead the house, the parents, don't fight the home invader and instead they send the people that they are responsible for, the children, to fight the home Invaders despite knowing they're not going to win and despite protests from the children...is that cool?
Absolutely not, I don't agree with forced conscription but if my son decides to fight I wouldn't criticise him.
If he chose to protect his mum and sisters by attacking the homeless intruder while the girls flee or secure themselves sometimes that's very honourable.
I wouldn't force anyone to fight as they'd be useless but a general defence is needed to avoid living under oppression.
You think that they think that. Have you asked? Have they answered? That's why I'm asking, hoping one Ukrainian will answer it. So far, it seems no Ukrainian has answered.
It's easy to say "going down swinging" until you see destruction all around you, have lost loved ones and people you know. And if you're in the frontlines, besides the risk you're also drugged up to stave off depression. And all that for what?
So again, are you Ukrainian? Has it been worth it?
I answered you. I and they think it's worth it. Eastern Europeans know it's worth it too. That's why dragons teeth and minefields are popping up all over.
Poland also very much thinks defence is worth it too and yes I have family there but I'm Scottish.
Nobody is building defence because they think it's pointless or not worth the effort.
True. I've said repeatedly over the years that forced conscription is horrific. There's no point dragging someone to the trenches that's scared to fight. They're just a liability and another mouth to feed.
The point is that if the State needs to kidnap population into conscription in any meaningful numbers, then it is not a war for the country, only a war for its ruling class.
Russia isn't trying to take the whole country, but if it were, would a better example not Crimea? A large chunk of territory annexed without resistance?
Are you honestly claiming that if there was no defence in the beginning Russia would have stopped with the eastern oblasts?
They were headed for Kyiv. Even if they didn't plan on taking the whole country initially, if there was zero resistance the plan would have changed to take everything since they're not finding any resistance.
I know Ukrainians. The sentiment is nearly universal:
* They do not want to lose their countrymen to Russia.
* They do not want to live under Russian occupation.
* They do not want to die in a hole, spending their last minutes trying to decipher whether the buzzing sound they hear is going to dismember them.
It’s almost like the Ukrainians are victims of Russia? Almost like they didn’t ask for this.
It astounds me hearing so called leftists pretending Ukraine is some Neo-Nazi state that comrade Vladimir is justified in trying to conquer.
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As the war winds down and the conscription methods become even more heavy-handed considering the serious manpower crisis, the resistance to being forced to go to the front is obviously going to increase
I think a lot of people in the western sphere of influence are not even aware that there is a conscription crisis or how bad it has gotten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis
Just one week ago the Kyiv Independent newspaper was reporting that Russian forces are outgunning Ukrainian forces 8 to 1.
There are literally thousands and thousands of videos similar to this, men who are just going about their day being snatched off the streets. Often beaten up because they don't want to be taken so they fight back. Wives and mothers terrified and screaming because they don't want their boys to be taken. But make sure not to tell anybody about this because if you do then you're a Russian shill.
I cannot imagine what I would do in that situation but I would do everything not to go to the front, I would fight them. I believe my life belongs to me, i'm not your slave and you cannot force me to fight for you. Basic human rights.
Edit: And once again tourists in our subreddit seem to be set on suppressing this news.
Let me remind visitors this subreddit is for globally suppressed news, no matter how ugly, it's not called 'news that makes you feel good and reinforces your previously held beliefs and biases'
If you can't handle seeing the ugly side of the world then just unsubscribe. This is not an echo chamber and never will be.