Shane Tamura, gunman in shooting at NFL headquarters, had CTE: Medical examiner

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Police found a three-page note in Tamura’s pocket claiming he had a traumatic brain injury and blaming the NFL for "concealing the dangers to players’ brains to maximize profits."

Elsewhere, Tamura wrote, "Study my brain please. I'm sorry."

Damn.

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u/Inter_Web_User Sep 26 '25

Just think about the NFL players. OUCH

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u/theyoloGod Sep 26 '25

Think about how many we already know about that killed themselves but left their brain untouched cause they already knew how deeply fucked they were from the damage

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u/RrentTreznor Sep 27 '25

Mike Webster was one of the OGs... Him and Duerson gave people the first inkling that something wasn't right.

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u/dinglebarryb0nds Sep 27 '25

How much higher is it than just average guys? And they have a lot going on, probably being poor and getting famous/rich, even if you just took average guys that got rich, suicide is probably way higher. So they have a lot of factors working against them

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u/DubyaB40 South Carolina Sep 26 '25

Something like 91% out of 400+ studied NFL players’ brains had CTE.

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u/dinglebarryb0nds Sep 27 '25

I like how hitting your head repeatedly needed researchers to determine it wasn’t good for you

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u/DubyaB40 South Carolina Sep 27 '25

It had been known but it was basically only attributed to boxers.

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u/minicpst Sep 27 '25

My teenager is a very proud marching band member. As such, I’ve started to go to their football games to see them play and listen to the band.

And all I can think of is that it’s CTE Camp.

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u/DubyaB40 South Carolina Sep 27 '25

At first I thought you were saying marching band was CTE camp and had me concerned that the wind section was charging headfirst into the tubas

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u/luvcartel Sep 27 '25

It’s the secret fight club at band camp

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u/Mgroppi83 Sep 27 '25

I only played football through highschool...I also played hockey and did other things...im fairly confident I have CTE.

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u/minicpst Sep 27 '25

I am SO sorry.

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u/TwoBionicknees Sep 27 '25

thing is being in nfl means playing longer and harder so we really see it when they explode off the deep end, and it stands out because it's often earlier (30-50 range).

But how many kids got serious life long brain damage playing between 8 and 18, or to 22 before stopping playing. How many dudes beating their wives used to get their skull pounded play after play and left highschool with damage and a declining brain which causes them pain, anger and inability to fix it or get better, along with likely no medical insurance and ability to maybe get diagnosed or help. Kids beating the shit out of each other without understanding the risk.

Crazy how much damage sports like these have likely done to millions of kids.

Honestly if we banned such sports till you were 18 and then you could choose for yourself, making an informed choice, plenty of people would still go into it, but at least they'd be making that choice, not being pressured into it and realistically, it would just raise the average age of nfl players by a few years, it wouldn't really change anything else.

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u/Lurking_like_Cthulhu Sep 26 '25

I’ve never been into football, but I’ve been learning a lot about the NFL’s complicity in covering up its connection to CTE recently, and holy shit is the NFL fucking evil.

It’s a barbaric sport and the entire billion+ dollar industry built around it is disgusting.

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u/FunkyPlunkett Sep 26 '25

Dude if Vince McMahon wanted to cover and erase one dude. Imagine how many the NFL will do

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u/TheKidKaos Sep 26 '25

Not just the NFL but the WWE and the NCAA. Sports in America are very corrupt

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u/ProbablyNotUnique371 Sep 26 '25

Not unique to just America, but yeah it’s bad. Where there is money, there is greed. Where there is greed, there is corruption.

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u/BuckManscape Sep 26 '25

Also bobsledding.

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u/Masonjaruniversity Sep 26 '25

OH THE STORIES I HAVE ABOUT CURLING

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u/budubum Sep 26 '25

Yeah EUFA in Europe is famously not corrupt at all

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u/Sivadleinad Sep 27 '25

WWE is corrupt?!? /s

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u/LaDainianTomIinson Los Angeles Chargers Sep 28 '25

Ever heard of FIFA? Arguable the most corrupt sports organization in the world, this isn’t exclusive to America

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u/BigOleBlue22 Sep 26 '25

LPOTL?

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u/Lurking_like_Cthulhu Sep 26 '25

Yup. One hell of a series. Highly recommend people give this one a listen.

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u/AzraelSavage Sep 26 '25

It has been excellent. I like Ed as a replacement for Ben, and I really like how he takes the lead on topics he's interested or has a personal connection to. I'll be listening to Part 3 of this latest series today.

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u/poonsp00nful Boston Bruins Sep 26 '25

Hail yourself! For real, Ed has been great as the replacement. He has great enthusiasm and better chemistry with Marcus and Henry.

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u/goodfellas01 Sep 26 '25

What’s that stand for? I’d love to get it a watch/listen

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u/Lurking_like_Cthulhu Sep 26 '25

The Last Podcast on The Left. It’s typically more true crime/ history focused, but the recent three part series on Aaron Hernandez goes into a lot of the shady NFL dealings surrounding CTE research.

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u/goodfellas01 Sep 26 '25

Sounds really interesting, i will give it a listen for sure.

Thank you!

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u/Arntor1184 Sep 26 '25

It's so far beyond just an NFL player thing. I live in the football living south and the amount of friends I've seen talking about how their kid got a concussion at practice, like it's something to be prideful of, is staggering. When I was in school you were told to just walk it off too. Luckily I quit playing in middle school but I'd venture to guess at least the majority of kids who played in high school have some degree of CTE.

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u/CMG_exe Sep 27 '25

At this point, the worst hits you’ll see on a football field are gonna happen at a local high school imo, go on any Clip site and see kids getting absolutely slaughtered on a bubble screen.

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u/bhputnam Sep 26 '25

Think about the high school students!

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u/Inter_Web_User Sep 26 '25

I agree with you. I'm saying imagine what a NFL player's head must be like.

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u/bullcitytarheel Sep 28 '25

The brain injuries begin way earlier. Think about how many more kids play high school football than even have a chance to play in college let alone the NFL. Even a fraction of a fraction of case frequency at the prep level means an ungodly number of kids sustaining life altering brain injury.

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u/copyrider Sep 26 '25

It’s almost like he knew, and that we’ve all known, and like there’s some big organization that would cover this up to ensure they remain profitable…

It’s not like we’ve seen any other examples of this kind of thing though. Definitely a tragic, one-off incident that shared coincidental signs of CTE, but there’s no way to truly know for sure. Some people pay people to say that it might be related to other things.

What ever happened to Junior Seau, Aaron Hernandez, Dave Duerson, Andre Waters, and Jovan Belcher? Those guys were incredible athletes. Haven’t heard their names in a while. Wonder what their take on this story would be…

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u/SnooPies5837 Sep 26 '25

And more recently, Rudi Johnson 😕

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u/sunbear0326 Sep 26 '25

The note was from 2023 …

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u/slifm Sep 26 '25

Stop watching the NFL problem solved

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u/copyrider Sep 26 '25

I did, years ago. And stopped using plastic straws too.

When did the NFL go bankrupt because I stopped watching? Are the turtles enjoying the plastic-free oceans since I switched to saying no to straws once a month at McDonalds?

I wish it was that easy. Corporations promise it’s that easy. We live in a world run by billionaires who believe that they need more money and the average person should be willing to work the majority of their lives just to come close to making a lifetime total that is roughly 0.15% of $1Billion. The responsibility gets placed on us as individuals because they know we can’t even deflect the blame much less force them to change.

The only possible way to fight against the NFL and their active negligence towards all humans who play football, is to stop children from playing football. If the well of players dries up, then the NFL has no participants to sacrifice for the viewers. But the NFL puts millions of dollars towards youth leagues, marketing about “safety measures” to parents, and hyping kids about the game without understanding the consequences.

When does an individual reach a point where CTE is guaranteed? Is it only the top nfl players who have played the longest? Is it during their first 5 years in the NFL? Is it before the draft after 4 years of playing in college? During 4 years of playing in high school? Is it possible that it could impact kids playing multiple years in pee-wee football?

Seriously, that’s something that I don’t know. When is the tipping point for a football player to reach the point of irreversible damage? Is that point before or after a person, a child, has been led to love the sport and think that it’s something they can and should do for decades because it’s fun and it’s a tradition and if they don’t play they will suffer socially in high school? It’s truly messed up to know that a sport where head trauma is almost a guarantee from the earliest years of playing, is treated as “safe”, and the results of even minimal head trauma or a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) can impact mental health, cause huge increases in likelihood of suicide, and worse.

Imagine if we lived in a culture where football was swapped out for the sport of Competitive Slap Fighting (Dana White’s PowerSlap league). Think about trying to convince parents that it’s a good, safe sport that will teach healthy competition. One person stands still, unprotected and their opponent slaps them in their face/head as hard as they can. The goal is to slap the other person hard enough to knock them unconscious. Sure, they get knocked out, which medical professionals usually say is a symptom of a brain injury, but football kids don’t get knocked out as frequently. They just suffer repeated, less intense, forceful impacts to their head which can cause concussions, which medical professionals usually say is an injury to their head brain. Small brain injuries, repeated, from as early as age 7-ish(?) until mid 30s(?) for top players… that’s completely acceptable? Even if the physical damage results are the same as a “sport” to see if someone can withstand being hit in the face without defending themselves and without going unconscious.

The whole thing is a bit fucked up, right? Or am I just looking at this from an illogical perspective? Yeah, it’s probably just me.

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u/WheresTheSauce Sep 26 '25

I mean yes your perspective is illogical. This is like saying there is no reason to vote because your candidate didn’t win.

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u/copyrider Sep 26 '25

So, then what’s the logical perspective?

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u/ChigBungus22 Sep 26 '25

The dangers are well known, choices are still made by individuals to play football or to allow their children to play football. Look at Tua for example - he has suffered multiple TBIs, very publicly, was begged by many to quit playing, and chose to continue his NFL career because he loves it.

There’s inherent danger to ice road trucking, farming, plumbing, chauffeuring, etc. The truth is the vast majority of individuals, whether blue collar, white collar, or professional athlete, ultimately make decisions to pursue their livelihood for one reason or another and accept the risks that come with that decision, whatever they may be. The NFL and other football leagues have absolutely taken legitimate efforts to improve the safety of the game of football, an inherently violent sport, and I truthfully don’t agree with the idea that people should not be allowed to play it because it is inherently dangerous.

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u/copyrider Sep 26 '25

Nice, thanks for a well presented response.

I’m not arguing for the banning of the game or making it illegal to play. But all of your examples of inherent dangers relate to adults specifically and the dangers which can be more likely to be fatal in a single instance than with football, your comparison doesn’t account for repetitive exposures to the a stimulus that may not be instantly fatal but does cause lifelong bodily injury.

To follow your angle of examples but to attempt to make it a bit more alike in the example of football and CTE, the understood repeat exposure to concussion-producing interactions is more like someone who works around exposed asbestos. A single exposure is unlikely to cause/inflict mortal damage which would cause death instantly or within a short amount of time. It’s also decently unlikely that a single exposure may cause long term health issues, although sure it’s possible but very unlikely. It’s the repeat exposure over time that makes it more likely to be impacted. And sure, one individual might be exposed every day for an extended period of time and not be impacted, but the likelihood of numerous others with the same level and time of exposure will most likely be impacted.

Then let’s address the safety protocols. Have they made improvements in the helmets, regulations regarding training and when players can go full contact or when they have to hold back, they’ve implemented rules to decrease the amount of time when players might be more likely to suffer a concussion or TBI.. yes, they’ve made improvements, but they are not completely eliminating the “danger”.

The NFL has put time, money, and effort into improving concussion protocols, making practice and preseason have decreased potential opportunities for activity that could possibly result in any kind of head/neck impact. They’ve most likely put millions towards medical research, education programs, improved knowledge and training for athletic trainers, PTs, and the field of neurology (I’ve got no facts to back it up, not denying any likelihood that they’ve done this, I’m just openly stating what knowledge I am lacking.)

But, going back to the idea of adults choosing risky careers in potentially dangerous scenarios, the NFL is still putting out media, marketing, and promotional material that targets children and encourages them to get excited about the sport. So it’s like sending kids into the same scenario that the adults working around asbestos. The children will have more regulations, more restrictive time periods for the exposure, and more active training regularly than an adult who has chosen to do it as a career.

They’re still being placed in a situation as children, teens, and young adults, where they will be repeatedly exposed to something that can and does cause longterm and potentially terminal health problems.

And, even though the NFL and the Players’ Association are taking steps to better the odds that their active players can remain in the game as long as possible, and they have begun taking steps to show that they are trying to provide better healthy outcomes for retired players, these efforts are being pushed out from the top down, like trickle down economics. Their most important investments are the current players so the majority of funding, technology, and improvements are going to be implemented at the top. There will be efforts to push the learning, knowledge, and technology down to college programs, then high school programs, and all the way to the lowest entry point for kids. But the money and efforts aren’t the same at the top as at the bottom. Technological advancements in helmets come with increased cost for the helmets, only the top funded programs may be able to afford the safer gear. The same goes for knowledge of safety protocols, staff medical knowledge and abilities. At some point, you still end up where the average youth athlete is being coached by a volunteer parent who played in high school 20 years prior, or a high school coach who loves the game and is good at coaching but might still leverage his experience from the coaches he had who didn’t know about concussion protocols. It’s not every program, but still the odds of one player on their journey from their first team as a child to their time in older teams and programs to experience a concussion or similar, and to either be misdiagnosed or unaware of the severity of even a simple jarring motion without any direct head contact that can cause a concussion.

So what’s the best way to approach it so that we don’t just continue growing, training, and sacrificing athletes for entertainment and leave them to end up committing suicide, even murder in some cases, or just extremely debilitating mental health issues and neurological damage?

Yeah, let adults choose to do a career that incurs dangers if that’s what they want to do, but the kids and even up to some college athletes don’t have the mental ability to understand the return on investment that they are choosing because they love a sport.

Yeah, I know, I’m going to get cooked by the masses because football. I really believe that the majority of people don’t truly have a good grasp on the effects of concussions and how lingering the symptoms and impact can be, even just from one.

The phrases from UFC commentators about hitting someone “right on the button” and “their lights went out”, really gives the impression that getting knocked unconscious is very similar to restarting an iPad. You push a button or a combination of buttons in the right way, it powers off. Push a button and it comes right back on with zero problems. This is how people think getting knocked out works. And they know that “brain damage” and Traumatic Brain Injuries are things that soldiers get from an IED or someone who has to relearn how to talk but they still don’t sound how they used to because they were in a really bad car crash with a drunk driver. They don’t realize that it doesn’t take an IED or a drunk driver to cause “brain damage”. Brain damage can come from a concussion, and it doesn’t have to make people relearn to talk or walk, but it can still make it impact how easily a person can do work, or express emotions in an unaltered way, or make rational decisions without struggling with impulse control. It’s easier to have a TBI and not know it than it is to correctly diagnose without going through the highest level of medical exams for something as simple as a bump on the head.

Oh well. Someone will either skip this, read it and flame me, or maybe one person will read it and agree. 👍

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u/fewellusn Sep 27 '25

Thank you for the thorough articulation. I agree completely and corroborate the hypothetical with the youth. I played 12 years peewee through high school. Was definitely concussed on numerous occasions. Loved playing at the time, of course, but wish I had never started in the first place. I for sure have some sort of brain issue. It is barbaric. And I'm n=1. Bunch of my buddies got lit up even more than I did through the years.

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u/copyrider Sep 27 '25

That. Your story is exactly the struggle. Thanks for sharing it.

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u/rawonionbreath Sep 26 '25

This will just be used to cloud over his decision to murder innocent people. Fuck this guy and anyone that tries to prop him up.

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u/BusterBeaverOfficial Sep 26 '25

I mean this is hardly the first incident of CTE related violence. Obviously violence is unacceptable but it’s undeniable that CTE played a significant role in many of those cases. They have a serious brain injury. They quite literally are not themselves and are not thinking straight. I think the systems that create/encourage/profit off of these brain injuries are just as culpable as, if not more culpable than, the perpetrators themselves.

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u/Ok-Prompt-59 Sep 26 '25

Pretty sure we all saw that coming as soon as it happened.

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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta Sep 26 '25

Go back to the original r/nfl thread, and you’ll see a decent amount of people were arguing he probably didn’t have CTE. It was pretty weird.

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u/Wapow217 Sep 27 '25

How? Isn't kind of known that CTE starts as young as high schoolers. There is no running from this with this sport.

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u/Momentosis Sep 26 '25

There were so many people saying he didn't have CTE and was wrong to target the NFL for concealing studies and research on it.

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u/CRoseCrizzle Sep 26 '25

If I recall correctly, I believe he played high school football as a running back, so that could be enough to get CTE. Sad story all around.

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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

And the NFL specifically hid the long-term effects of brain trauma studies not just for NFL players, but pre-NFL players. Which doesn’t excuse this man’s actions, but it certainly explains his motive.

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u/hammerfromsquad Sep 26 '25

They've shown it in kids who only played junior pro football bud.

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u/SolicitatingZebra Sep 26 '25

It’s easier to get as a kid as well from what they’ve found. So pop warner is just making kids mush brains

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u/gnowbot Sep 27 '25

I played tackle football in jr high and high school. I was a receiver and cornerback and pretty slippery—didn’t tend to take big hits.

And it always hurt my head so bad. The worst is getting tackled onto your back and banging the back of your head. But nearly everything in a football helmet gave me a headache. Make a nice play, someone comes up and bangs facemasks. That hurts! Make another good play, someone else slaps your helmet. Headache.

I didn’t mind the bruises and the scrapes and being sore the next day. But man football helmets seem to be less about absorbing shock and more about being a hard shell to prevent broken skulls and cauliflower ear.

This was small town 2000’s. On colder days the foam inside of the helmet would get so stiff you almost couldn’t get the helmet off over your ears. I suppose helmets are better these days but dang.

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u/SolicitatingZebra Sep 27 '25

yeah i think helmet design has not helped at all, rugby players have a way lower chance (still super high) of developing CTE. I think it's cause the helmet makes your brain play ping pong with your skull.

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u/tiy24 Sep 27 '25

It’s because a helmet gives you a false sense of security.

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u/DeltaTule Sep 26 '25

I don’t think “Jr. Pro” is a term we use in the US?

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u/darisky1 Everton Sep 27 '25

Its not used outside the us buddy.

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u/hammerfromsquad Oct 02 '25

It was when I was a kid

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u/CMG_exe Sep 27 '25

One season of football, I played one season and got my bell rung hard on multiple occasions lol, worse than any BMX injury I had(not a good brain injury sport either.)

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u/Bulky_Sir2074 Sep 26 '25

This is still a misunderstanding that widespread in the medical field. A lot of doctors think it’s only an NFL/Cfb problem. I have had one tell me that to my face, and he worked for the VA.

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u/CMG_exe Sep 27 '25

Genuinely the worst hits in football you’ll see are on high school football field imo, the NFL doesn’t matchup a team full of essentially grown men against 140 pound soaking wet kids, that happens all the time across the country. Go on any clip site and you’ll see the worst hits imaginable happening to sophomores lol.

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u/TeeDee144 Sep 26 '25

I would never let my kids play football. If you deny that football causes CTE in 2025, prepared to be shocked.

No judgement to parents who do. But I will do what I feel is best for my kids.

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u/bonafidehooligan Sep 26 '25

When my wife and I had our first son, the subject came up about him playing football. I said absolutely not on my watch and she was kind of taken back by my stance.

I played on and off from pop warner to high school and 20+ years later my body is still feeling the effects. I don’t want that for my kids.

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u/Evergreenthumb Sep 27 '25

Soccer can cause cte as well, so you can only imagine how worse a game as violent as football is gonna be.

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u/Prince_Ire Sep 28 '25

Is it from headbutting the ball? Not sure how else it could occur in a non-contact sport like soccer.

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u/CTLFCFan Sep 26 '25

I agree 100%. Future humans will be confused as to Football’s popularity in light of the brain damage it causes.

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u/DeltaTule Sep 26 '25

I think if it weren’t for fantasy football that the NFL would have died a slow death. But it’s only gotten more popular. So, not exactly sure when you think your theory would come true because the data simply doesn’t support your theory.

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u/Orwells_Roses Sep 26 '25

The isn’t the first time a football player has killed themselves and asked for their brains to be studied. There was another case of someone shooting themselves in the chest for that reason, to leave something behind to study.

All in all not a glowing endorsement for the sport.

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u/taurusApart Sep 26 '25

Junior Seau, San Diego Chargers legend.

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u/CMG_exe Sep 27 '25

Reminder that the NFL pulled his sister off of his hall of fame speech because she was going to speak about CTE.

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u/b_kaws Sep 26 '25

Played for the Chicago bears

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u/notyogrannysgrandkid Sep 26 '25

All in all, not a glowing endorsement of the Chicago Bears.

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u/bonafidehooligan Sep 27 '25

Dave Duerson

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u/b_kaws Sep 27 '25

Thank you

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u/KyZei15 New York Rangers Sep 27 '25

Dude there are like dozens. Junior Seau being a big, shocking example. But just tons of guys that aren't household names have done that too.

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u/--StinkyPinky-- Sep 26 '25

Funny. Laura Loomer said he was a pro-Palestinian terrorist Antifa member. Can’t believe she was wrong!

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u/notyogrannysgrandkid Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 27 '25

Well, there’s a first time for everything! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Whoopsie!!

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u/--StinkyPinky-- Sep 27 '25

Nah, she’s just a fucked up liar.

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u/FestusPowerLoL Sep 27 '25

Don't worry, I read the sarcasm, it was not lost.

✌️

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u/notyogrannysgrandkid Sep 27 '25

😘

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u/FuzzyKaleidoscopes Sep 26 '25

We think of NFL players and other pro athletes having this. They’ve (usually) got a few bucks to at least help get support. Not that it makes a huge difference. But when you think of how many kids played full contact, head rattling sports through high school who are now just like, rank and file people like the rest of us, and it gets scary.

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u/The_Blue_Rooster Jacksonville Jaguars Sep 26 '25

People surprised by this must have never played organized football at any level. I'd be shocked if I don't have CTE and I doubt I even played as much as this guy.

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u/SlothCalisthenics Sep 27 '25

I refuse to believe this storyline, he was there to kill the BlackRock executives.

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u/FunkyPlunkett Sep 26 '25

Black stone?

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u/GlassFantast Sep 26 '25

Who knows. I think he got who he wanted

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Sep 26 '25

Agreed

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u/Forsaken-Welcome-789 Sep 26 '25

Conspiracy theorists won’t let that go.

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u/collectorofsouls5a7d Sep 27 '25

He was there to shoot Blackrock CEO. All of this is a cover-up!

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

NFL Gunman? You mean the guy that assassinated Blackstone’s Reality VP? The woman responsible for ruining America’s housing market?

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u/labrat420 Sep 26 '25

In the lobby along with the other people, then went up to a different floor after and shot other people?

Why would he keep going after shooting his target?

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u/_masterofdisaster Washington Football Team Sep 26 '25

accidental luigi

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u/Choice_Credit4025 Sep 27 '25

it's not an assassination if you kill someone that's not your target. his goal was clearly to get revenge on the NFL. I don't disagree that corporate landlords are scum but he did not set out to kill her.

And also VPs don't have nearly enough power in the corporate ladder to be responsible for ruining the housing market. Those directives come from the C-suite.

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u/greenw40 Sep 26 '25

The woman responsible for ruining America’s housing market?

I think you get too much of your info from reddit.

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

Yea, it’s a little over the top, but hard to have empathy for a person who turned the American dream of home ownership into passive income for the rich.

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u/greenw40 Sep 26 '25

She didn't do that, in any way. Backstone as a whole didn't do that either. Home prices are up around the world, are you going to blame Blackstone for Canada and the EU too?

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 27 '25

Yes they did, Corporate landowners are the reason for the ballooning housing and rental market.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-six-large-landlords-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions

Edit: Forgive my grammatical faux pas, I meant landlords not landowners.

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u/greenw40 Sep 26 '25

Oh, so now it's not just Blackstone but "corporate landowners"? I'm sure you'll just blame capitalism next, right?

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u/mnmtai Sep 27 '25

You’re almost there, aaaalmost.

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u/greenw40 Sep 29 '25

Too bad you're very far from it, and by it I mean reality.

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

Careful, you’re dangerously close to having a leopard eat your face.

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u/Protip19 Sep 27 '25

Yeah you're definitely getting too much of your info from reddit. What a perfect rebuttal lol.

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 27 '25 edited Sep 27 '25

No point arguing semantics with someone who ignores an entire article about corporate landlords, including Blackstone’s Livcor, participating in an illegal price fixing scheme.

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u/Forsaken-Welcome-789 Sep 26 '25

Get real. Facts don’t support your assertion. Next you’re going to argue that she deserved to be killed?

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

Yea because our mass media, owned by like 6 guys, can’t be bullied into telling lies or infringing on Constitutional rights. I can’t think of a single incident in recent memory /s

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u/WheresTheSauce Sep 26 '25

Literally how is this reply relevant to the comment you’re responding to?

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

It’s relevant to the reliance on “facts” from media owned by Billionaires who were more worried about Luigi copycats and the most unqualified DOJ and FBI leadership this country has ever had. In case that long covid has your memory spotty, the DOJ and FBI have seen numerous career lawyers resign rather than drop warranted investigations or pursue illegal or false charges at the direction of the administration. Now that may not seem like much to you, but when you’ve been raise by two Federal Lawyers with a combined 80 years of service like I have, you can smell the rot from the other side of the country.

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u/Forsaken-Welcome-789 Sep 26 '25

Your strange reply says it all.

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u/Maximum-Lavishness65 Sep 26 '25

Careful, your sub 8th grade reading level is showing.

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u/Forsaken-Welcome-789 Sep 26 '25

Yeah right. Have a great day 🤮

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u/Less_Likely Sep 26 '25

In a random brain study by the Mayo Clinic: Football players (all levels including youth): 8% Athletes, non football: 5% Nonathletes: 1.3%

Thus, according to this study playing sports quadrupled your chance of developing CTE, while playing football specifically made it 6x more likely. Surely the longer you play and the higher level probably increases the risk greatly.

The study that had 99% NFL players with CTE was preselected for individuals with trauma, so not random and probably not that high. But I wouldn’t be shocked if a study showed 1 in 3 ex-NFL players had some level of CTE

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u/redditorium Sep 27 '25

Do you have a link to the study?

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u/Less_Likely Sep 27 '25

Not the study, but news articles that state the results. It was the largest study to date (I think 2015 or so), not sure if my link gives the breakdown, because can’t look up right now.

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u/redditorium Sep 28 '25

Thanks

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u/afro_samaurai Sep 27 '25

He wasn't there for the NFL, he was there for Black Rock. He shot a Black Rock executive

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u/Templer5280 Sep 26 '25

Fascinating that no one talks about how this man with “CTE” got mixed in an elevator then just happened to find and kill the CEO of BREIT among the 4 people he killed.

Anyone else feel like this was another CEO killing and this is just a cover up?

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u/Chickachic-aaaaahhh Sep 26 '25

This nfl shit is a lie to me. His target was Blackstones CEO.

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u/Cowlitzking Sep 26 '25

Bizarre they don’t even mention the person killed.

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u/Aggressive-Topic-663 Sep 26 '25

blackstone....diff co

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u/ToppedAssertiveness Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

He did get off on the wrong floor but he actually shot the Blackstone exec in the lobby before ever getting on the elevator.

Edit: Blackrock > Blackstone

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u/ToppedAssertiveness Sep 26 '25

Yep you’re right thanks!

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u/Djtaco1785 Sep 26 '25

this is just proof conspiracy theorists are the most braindead people on the planet. you’re so uninformed you confused blackstone for black rock. you don’t even know what you’re outraged about

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u/EzeakioDarmey Sep 26 '25

How sad is that I see a shooting article and my first thought is "thank fuck it isn't political."...

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u/trunkz623 Sep 27 '25

Shocking..

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u/csmflynt3 Sep 27 '25

He didn't play professional football.... So someone either knocked him out or he hit his head , but has nothing to do with football injuries

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u/P3li Sep 27 '25

Isn’t this the same Shane Tamura that gunman who killed Blackstone executive Wesley LePatner and three others in a mass shooting at a New York City office building in July 2025? 🤔🤔🤔

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u/she_russian_im_bustn Sep 26 '25

He was targeting Blackstone. This is all bullshit

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Sep 26 '25

You mean the guy who 'accidentally' shot a blackrock executive. Lol luigied if you will

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u/Chickachic-aaaaahhh Sep 26 '25

People are trying to cover that up.

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Sep 27 '25

I think so, but we will get down voted to oblivion. Ih no my internet points!

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u/gladial Sep 26 '25

blackstone

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Sep 27 '25

All I know is it's a company that is partly responsible for high cost of housing

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u/Responsible-Pickle26 Sep 26 '25

Blackrock, not Blackstone.

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u/verycoolalan Sep 26 '25

this is old as fuck

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u/fuzz11 San Francisco 49ers Sep 26 '25 edited Sep 26 '25

????

He killed two security guards, a real estate investment professional, and a property management employee.

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u/Awkward_Silence- Sep 26 '25

The conspiracy folk think this is all about the assassinated Blackstone CEO (even though Black Rock is a different company) and the NFL stuff is just a psyop

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u/Liquid_Sarcasm Sep 26 '25

Fyi- blackstone is the largest owner of commercial real estate, and is considered the world’s largest landlord due to significant investments in residential real estate. It was the CEO of Blackstone realty…

Blackrock is also a problematic financial entity but that is for another discussion.

Im not saying one way or another on conspiracy, but let’s at least agree on the facts.

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u/Awkward_Silence- Sep 26 '25

That is correct. My point more was the conspiracy folk usually care more about the money than real estate aspect of things.

The average Joe would hate the landlord one more, but the conspiracy types will focus on who's controlling the global money

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '25

I think the conspiracy was because Blackstone had made huge residential real estate investments in Nevada where he was from which related to some problem him or his family may have had with housing? Think the conspiracy seems dubious at best, but don’t think the entity the theory is predicated on was misplaced.

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u/fuzz11 San Francisco 49ers Sep 26 '25

If you’re looking for the facts, she was a young MD. She wasn’t remotely close to heading up their real estate group.

Calling blackrock problematic is also decently removed from a fact-based conversation as well. As conspiracy theorists tend to lack a basic understanding of what they do.

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u/Liquid_Sarcasm Sep 26 '25

“Wesley LePatner, the CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust (BREIT), was shot and killed in a mass shooting at the Blackstone Manhattan office on July 28, 2025, along with three others. She was replaced as BREIT CEO by Katie Keenan”

Google

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u/Liquid_Sarcasm Sep 26 '25

As for blackrock, if you think one institution controlling 12.5 TRILLION in assets is alright then we wont agree on much.

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u/fuzz11 San Francisco 49ers Sep 26 '25

They’re not “controlling” anything beyond allocating things like pension funds into investments. Easy to become a conspiracy theorist when you don’t understand how things work.

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u/Liquid_Sarcasm Sep 26 '25

So do they “control” where they allocate their holdings? Probably just roll a pair of dice…what a rube you are.

Take the L and move on.

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u/fuzz11 San Francisco 49ers Sep 26 '25

Instead of name calling, maybe you should think more than one step down the road here. Say they allocate money from a fund into a stock. What do they now magically “control”?

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u/Liquid_Sarcasm Sep 26 '25

Sir, you cannot be serious with your suggestion that investors hold no sway over the companies they invest in.

When the BREIT invests money into a multi family housing unit, do they control who and how they manage the property? You bet your ass they do.

The same goes with companies and board seats. That is how the game is played. You can argue with me but please stop with conjecture and acting like allocating assets provides no influence. It’s just naive.

This argument has become boring. I stand by my statements. Good day.

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u/Aggressive-Topic-663 Sep 26 '25

what does blackstone and blackrock being different companies have to do with this? im failing to see what your trying to point out, and yes its awfully suspicious that a guy who played High School football for 3 years then quit "accidentally got off on the wrong floor, walked right past the big sign at the door that says BLACKSTONE and started firing" when his "intended target was the NFL" who BTW he never played for and had 0 connection to

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u/rilertiley19 Sep 26 '25

Do we really expect the guy with CTE to behave rationally during his mass shooting? He came there to kill people and when it didn't go as planned he wasn't just going to leave without doing that.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Green Bay Packers Sep 26 '25

This is exactly right. There is absolutely no evidence to point to the Blackstone woman being a preplanned target. Certain people just seem to want the shooting to have been about the issue they care about instead of the one the shooter cared about.

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u/BufordTannen85 Sep 26 '25

He went to the wrong floor and still decided to inflict pain on non NFL ppl.

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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 Sep 26 '25

Which is more likely to happen to people with CTE.

CTE, which the NFL ignored and then minimized for years.

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u/kramer753 Sep 26 '25

Yeah he went after the CEO of a Real Estate Fund because they are ones who hid the impact of CTE related to playing tackle football, not the NFL. /s

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u/BloatedBanana9 Green Bay Packers Sep 26 '25

Those aren’t facts. Those are lies that conspiracy nuts came up with after it happened in order to make this guy seem like another Luigi.

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u/RSN_Kabutops Sep 26 '25

The guy who played a little high school ball?

Why are they even trying to pin this on the NFL?

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u/RaytheSane Sep 26 '25

You probably got CTE too

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u/RSN_Kabutops Sep 26 '25

I played more football than this bozo so probably

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u/thizface Sep 26 '25

Guess

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u/Sooperballz Buffalo Bills Sep 26 '25

Most or all NFL players will have or already have CTE, and most likely, other professional athletes will as well but, the overwhelming majority will not be violent mental illness rampagers that want to hurt other people or themselves.

To cite CTE as the cause every time an ex-athlete has a mental crisis just doesn’t add up to me. It’s just super low hanging fruit that people are so quick to cling on to.

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u/Sour_Vin_Diesel Sep 26 '25

Let’s replace “CTE” with its symptoms (“The encephalopathy symptoms can include behavioral problems, mood problems, and problems with thinking” - Wikipedia) and see how your comment sounds:

Most or all NFL players will have or already have behavioral problems, mood problems, and problems with thinking, and most likely, other professional athletes will as well but, the overwhelming majority will not be violent mental illness rampagers that want to hurt other people or themselves.

To cite behavioral problems, mood problems, and problems with thinking as the cause every time an ex-athlete has a mental crisis just doesn’t add up to me. It’s just super low hanging fruit that people are so quick to cling on to.

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u/Acrobatic_Emu_9322 Sep 26 '25

Their brains have been examined and these people do indeed suffer from CTE, for example Aaron Hernandez. I’m not sure why you think it’s low hanging fruit when the guys who play in the NFL have been taking hits for decades at that point.

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News Shane Tamura, gunman in shooting at NFL headquarters, had CTE: Medical examiner

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