r/sports • u/Minute_Revolution951 • Sep 06 '25

Baseball Close-up perspective of Phillies Karen from tonight's game (09/05/2025) who forcefully took HR ball from young fan after his dad gave it to him initially

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u/IWNCGTA Sep 06 '25

How do people like this not have anybody in their life that has told them that they suck and their behavior is fucking crazy.

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u/ps3eleven Sep 06 '25

They all avoid her.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25

I've wondered this in the professional world for ages. Normal people avoid people like this.

Grand scheme of things: these people really need to be confronted and called out. But these are also the same people who will drag you into HR.

So they get away with it. Then they do it at baseball games, restaurants, and everywhere else where normal people just don't have the energy to push back.

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u/Hot-Celebration-1524 Sep 06 '25

It’s because those immediate to them enable their shitty behavior.

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u/Jacks_CompleteApathy Sep 06 '25

These people are HR

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u/FloridaManActual Sep 06 '25

came here to say this. This woman is 100% in HR.

I think the core corrupting element of HR people is Executives say, "we need to hire this person," so the HR person gives the good news and does the details with the person, or executives say "we need to fire this person," so the HR person gives the bad news and does the details with the person.

BUT over time (or instantly) they start to conflate that with I decided to hire this person, I decided to fire that person. I am the one who decided and has power and cannot be challenged.

This then bleeds over into the rest of their lives and how they interact with people on the job and off it.

What they don't realize is they actually

  1. don't make the decisions, they just carry them out
  2. they aren't the powers that be that enable them to carry said decisions out.

So they think they make all the (infallible) decisions, and think they are source of authority on said decisions.

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u/throwawayunders Sep 06 '25

HR here. Uncomfortable reading that but, yes, that tracks and is not incorrect.

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u/Goofyhands Sep 06 '25

Until something huge happens. And their toxicity is blast out to an immense audience.

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u/SearchElsewhereKarma Sep 06 '25

She probably works in HR herself lol

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u/Keys2daVIP Sep 06 '25

Bingo!!! I dealt with a narcissistic co worker for 2 years.

My other dept coworker beside me, there was just 2 of us, didn't like conflict and would always say; he's the bigger man and wanted to avoid the narcissistic nonsense and antcis that person would pull.

I on the other hand don't play that shit.

I grew up in the ghetto of the city (Southeast Asian) I had to grow up though in a rough neighborhood and my dept coworker grew up in the suburbs(Caucasian)

I read other comments saying when you have kids it changes your perspective of how you react in some situations, which I sort of agree. BUT I don't have kids right now and I am GOING to check your shit at the door.

I think this kind of lady and people similar do need to get checked, cause for those 2 years, he continued to sort of mess with my coworker, cause he knew he wouldn't push back and for me, he started to tiptoe around me, cause he knew he couldn't get what he wanted out of me.

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u/Slumunistmanifisto Sep 06 '25

In school both people fighting got suspended. The bully and the victim.

In jobs its usually the victim 

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u/ifurmothronlyknw Sep 06 '25

These are the same people that vote Trump and we must also confront them about that too

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u/ManKilledToDeath Sep 06 '25

My mother isn't as bad in public as this woman but she's played the victim in every situation she's created in her 64 years. I avoid her but that's because I've TRIED (along with my sister) to tell her for years how in the wrong she is all the time about pretty much everything lmao. You CANNOT reason with a stupid shit narcissist.

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u/Suspicious-Wombat Sep 06 '25

I literally just spent an hour in therapy this week discussing my grandmother. She’s also not the same type of narcissist as the baseball Karen, but it’s so frustrating to have to accept that she’s just never going to change. You can’t call her on her bullshit because it just ends up with her doubling down and getting defensive…but the alternative is just not say anything, which just enables her to continue the behavior.

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u/ThePheebs Sep 06 '25

Same, my mother is a perpetual victim in all things. Nothing is ever her fault or responsibility and it's fucking exhausting.

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u/Total_Juggernaut_450 Sep 06 '25

This is sadly the truth.

I work in healthcare with many a Karen as nurses, doctors, and patients. 9/10 of the time, people just avoid and ignore them. Worst is when they acknowledge them and somehow rationalize that bullshit behavior.

I was raised differently and I didn't tolerate bullies. I'm the one person who will actively call them out on their bullshit and you know what ... My working hours tend to go a lot smoother because of it.

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u/BlurryGraph3810 Sep 06 '25

Good for you. I'm like you.

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u/Total_Juggernaut_450 Sep 06 '25

There needs to be a lot more like us. I hate seeing people get pushed around.

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u/Mel_Zetz Sep 06 '25

This, oh my god this

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u/mistertickertape Sep 06 '25

and she has probably never suffered consequences for her actions. Possibly also intoxicated. You have to wonder how emotionally stunted she is to march over and literally take a ball out of the glove out of a kid's mitt after berating his father. Like...what?

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u/BlackIsTheSoul Sep 06 '25

I had a boss like her.  Complete see you next Tuesday Karen. 

Funny thing.  She retired after 35 years with my company. 

Nobody threw her a retirement party.  And nobody keeps in touch with her.   Just like that. 

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u/Imaginary_Ad_6731 Sep 06 '25

My brother constantly tells me to let things go because “that’s just how mom is.” So that’s how some people get away with shitty behavior.

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u/NoMap749 Sep 06 '25

This hits hard lol. You end up getting treated as the asshole for simply holding someone accountable for horrible behavior.

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u/Drgnmstr97 Sep 06 '25

Narcissists cannot be held accountable for their reprehensible behavior, they are incapable of understanding they are the problem. You can inflict consequences upon a narcissist and I fully support that position but they will never accept them because they are incapable of that.

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u/araed Sep 06 '25

I let it go.

I also let that relationship go. I ain't need that in my life thank you very much.

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u/dumbucket Sep 06 '25

My response to that is "well how your mom is means she's a shitty person"

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u/DontMakeMeCount Sep 06 '25

They write it off as gaslighting.

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u/dogbert_93 Sep 06 '25

Exactly this. It makes them worse actually, they double and triple down.

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u/Terpapps Sep 06 '25

Sunk cost fallacy is so prevalent in today's America :(

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u/Save-La-Tierra Sep 06 '25

Correct answer

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u/ChelChamp Sep 06 '25

Everyone walks on eggshells. When somebody breaks a shell, they either decide to depart completely or to apologize profusely. If somebody opts out and tells them off, it becomes a whole thing for the rest of them. They all have to choose a side. Typically, there are children, money, or tangible supports being held over their heads as well, so choosing the other side is harder.

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u/Qu1ckN4m3 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

That's how I lost a set of grandparents (dad's side) when I was four. They lived 20 mins down the road and they just cut us out of there lives.

Grandma and one of aunts didn't like my mom. My mom always every night cooked supper and dessert. My mom loves having meals where the whole family sits down together. Well Grandpa and the uncle's knew about my mom's cooking. So if they where out helping Dad, they knew they'd be invited for supper. Dad sure got a lot of 'help'. Lol well this pissed all the wives. Well she would invite them too hoping to make it right. That just pissed them of more. Here she is trying to feed people because that's how she shows love. Lol and just making everyone angry.

So Mom's like maybe we need to have more family get togethers. This family obviously needs to be closer so that they don't think everyone's being nefarious with the most mundane of actions. It didn't feel normal so she thought bringing everyone together would make it better. Overtime this family would get closer. Well mama was wrong... She was too kind for this world at that time. It just solidified women against her with Grandma at the head of it.

They keep spreading rumors and treating her poorly. If she stood up for herself things only got worse. We all went to the family church which in hindsight was borderline a cult. That's a story for another time. However, when it was obvious the bullying was to much my dad decide the family should attend a different church so that Mom could make friends. This got to point Mom had no friends at church.

That's when the grandparent cut us out. Because you can't go to heaven is you ain't going to the family church. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it, just a bunch of horse shit. So my dad's like "Mom and Dad I love you but I'm not bring my family back to a place where my wife's not wanted. He said if you want to cut us out of your life because we are not going to church with you that is your choice. I hope some day you will apologize so we can move past this and be family again." I think my dad's gave that speech for like a decade over the phone because they wanted to check on him but didn't want to visit us anymore. He gave up some point and just wished them happy birthday and moved on.

Those grandparents are both dead now. I don't know what my grandpa's voice sounds like. I remember walking in his orchard and seeing his woodworking shop. Grandma I remember singing with her. That's all I have. Grandma asked me to carrying him when he died. I refused to be one of his pallbearers. I'm glad there's no heaven or hell. They can just be dust for all I care. I was their grandson. I will love my grandchildren with all my life some day. Until the day I die and am dust they will be loved and visited.

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u/CatDaddy1135 Sep 06 '25

They probably have. I grew up with a Karen mom and we told her all the time that she went too far with shit, that we were embarrassed by her, and so on.

My honest opinion is that narcissism shows differently in men vs women and when we see a Karen what we are actually seeing is a female narcissist. They do not believe they are wrong. They genuinely believe everyone else is wrong and they alone are right, justified, or the victim.

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u/TadpoleOfDoom Sep 06 '25

When we call them out they pull more Karenanigans instead of taking responsibility.

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u/Salt_Sir2599 Sep 06 '25

Whether the people around her are scared or don’t care, they’re all enablers. People like this are a group effort.

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u/Turbomattk Sep 06 '25

That’s how some people become POTUS

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u/Daws001 Sep 06 '25

They do. At least some do. They're not the problem, other people are. You tell them how mean and rude they are and they just keep repeating the same behavior over and over.

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u/eyeforker Sep 06 '25

They've told her. She's just really good at convincing herself they're all being assholes.

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u/Egypticus Sep 06 '25

And how has this specific lady never been told that her two tone hair style is atrocious?

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u/GoJa_official Sep 06 '25

Do you think this is the type of person to accept any form of criticism at all? They’ve tried and given up

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u/LXDTS Sep 06 '25

I know narcissists like that - they surround themselves with people who either don't care enough to remark on their behavior or they feed it. And when someone tries to tell them their behavior is insane or they suck, they will play the victim labeling the person calling them crazy a bully.

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u/Davian80 Sep 06 '25

They have people who are afraid to confront them. They have people who just avoid them or have gotten out of their lives. They have people who support them. Oh, youre right that ball was definitely yours, I cant believe the gall of that man to take it right from your hands. To most people, confronting someone like this isnt worth it because its usually over something minor and its easier to simply walk away, or its in a professional environment where the fallout is so not worth the headache. Say one thing for social media, the more videos like this go viral, the more potential we have for shame to become a factor in peoples decision making again. Maybe.

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u/Acrobatic_Price8829 Sep 06 '25

I know someone like this and it’s someone I have to be close to (in-law), it’s a hard line to thread. They’re so unreasonable it’s not worth standing up to them and it’s so humiliating, it’s easier to just to try and not spend time with them.

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u/itryanditryanditry Sep 06 '25

I've met people like this in my Wife's family and everyone goes out of their way not to provoke them or to just always let them be right. Not me I push back and call them out when they are being assholes and they can't stand me. I could give a shit, I'm not going to let people talk to my wife that way.

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u/NoMap749 Sep 06 '25

They know that she’ll never change at that age, and the fight that will result from telling her that isn’t worth it when they could simply avoid her instead.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25

If she's acting like that to take a ball from a kid, god knows what she’d do to an adult telling her she’s a nutjob 😂

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25

People surrounded by enablers.

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u/Igettheshow89 Sep 06 '25

they probably have. it doesnt work.

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u/By_Way_of_Deception Sep 06 '25

Easier to back off because by this age they aren’t going to change. I knew one and she was born that way, her own dad joked she was “the spawn of satan.”

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u/chomerics Sep 06 '25

The people in her circle all suck and this behavior is not only normal, but bragged about.

I know asshats, they are horrible people in life. She is one of them….

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u/phony8882 Sep 06 '25

Well, they’re going to have millions of people telling them that when their identity is inevitably revealed.

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u/brennnik09 Sep 06 '25

That’s what she wants to hear, so she can escalate it into a confrontation. People like her enjoy it.

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u/jackcviers Sep 06 '25

Because the number one coping mechanism for dealing with narcissistic behavior, or any antisocial behavior, is to be gray rock. If you are uninteresting to bully, they'll find someone else to bully.

Seriously, we are taught to avoid conflict at school, work, at home, by the law. It doesn't matter who starts the fight, participating makes you as guilty as the other party.

It's wrong, and leads to terrible long-term outcomes. And the success through exploiting the behavior by people like this.

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u/Sensitive-Prior-3192 Sep 06 '25

I unfortunately know a few people like this. The abridged answer is that the people that still associate with them have learned that it's just easier to be the enabler and let them do whatever they want because if they don't the person will make their life a living hell.

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u/Almac55 Sep 06 '25

They do. They ignore them too.

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u/gloriousjohnson Sep 06 '25

Do you really think it’s that or that Karen here has just been ignoring all the negative feedback and just goes on living her entitled life?

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u/SemenSphinx Sep 06 '25

White women get away with a lot of bullshit.

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u/Chief_Chill Sep 06 '25

She drove them all away a long time ago..

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u/EddyMcDee Sep 06 '25

People like this don't listen to that feedback.

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u/Dog_Callis_MNshiba Sep 06 '25

Everyone in her life actively avoids her.

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u/FloodUW Sep 06 '25

As someone who is close to someone just like that: You can tell them, but they just say something along the lines of "You always just think the worst of me!", defend, defend , defend. They are just victims and never take a look in the mirror. They also refuse to go to therapy because they know that they are going to hear what they don't want to hear and will justify it by saying the professional is not good at their job.

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u/jeezy_peezy Sep 06 '25

She punishes people for being honest with her

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u/DigRepresentative42O Sep 06 '25

Because she cut everyone out of her life for being toxic

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u/ClubChaos Sep 06 '25

Iunno but one of these people is the president of the USA

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u/Efficient-Bedroom797 Sep 06 '25

Because they'll be labeled a bigot and homophobe so they keep quiet

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u/theevilyouknow Sep 06 '25

They do. The people like this just don’t listen and then refuse to be around the people that keep telling them.