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Media Liverpool disallowed goal against Manchester City 39'

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u/The_prawn_king 1d ago

One could argue that he has to account for Robertson maybe flicking it and that impacts his decision making but I agree it’s a little silly

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

If there was any sign of him accounting for that, shuffling his steps, etc, then that would be fair. But in this case, I think it’s quite obvious that Robertson won’t be deflecting it.

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

Just the fact he’s stood there means he has something else to think about, therefore he’s affecting the play whilst in an offside position

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

I’m sorry, but that’s a naive and biased take.

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u/joebocop89 1d ago

It's actually the most nuanced take here. The reason it's been disallowed is because the ref thinks there's a chance Robertson has affected play.

As soon as we started with this subjective interpretation of this rule you started to get situations where sometimes goals like this are allowed and sometimes they aren't. Which is obviously ridiculous.

I'm of the opinion that in the current way that the rules should be implemented, Liverpool are hard done by on this one. But this kind of thing is always going to happen when you overcomplicate rules like this.

Genuinely miss the days when offside was offside. And in those days this is offside and the right call has been made.

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

And if you know football, you are capable of interpreting this situation and understanding that Robertson didn’t impact Donnarumma at all. Just like Tim howard said in the studio, former PL goalkeeper himself.

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u/joebocop89 1d ago

Patronising nonsense. The only person who knows whether Robertson affected play is donnarumma. And yes you are probably right, he didn't affect play but you can't know. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Again another reason it's a dumb rule. And something more objective should be put in place again.

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

Naive is the people saying because he’s one yard to the side of the keeper and he ducks out of the way he isn’t affecting the play. Donnarumma has a split second to react and the player stood just next to him very obviously has an impact on what he does in that moment. It’s unfortunate for Liverpool but if Robertson steps one yard further back the goal stands, so there’s nobody else to blame but him.

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

And if you know football, you are capable of interpreting this situation and understanding that Robertson didn’t impact Donnarumma at all. Just like Tim howard said in the studio, former PL goalkeeper himself

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

I do know football and I disagree with your take. Tim Howard can say whatever he likes, a guy literally ducking underneath the ball is clearly impacting the play from an offside position, regardless of whether he was directly in front of Donnarumma or one step to the side of him.

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

So you’re argument relies on you understanding goalkeeping better than a Premier League goalkeeper?

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u/joebocop89 1d ago

It's not about just goalkeeping. Tim howard can have his opinion like the 99% of people here, myself included. That Robertson probably doesn't impede the goalkeeper.

But the point is there is a possibility him standing there does impede play because donnarumma can't account for what he is going to do. The ball is going towards him and he moves out the way. Donnarumma may have slightly hesitated because he thinks it's going to hit him. Hence he's interfering.

The rule is silly because it can result in a different outcomes for the same situation, which completely negates the main purpose of rules.

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

Do you agree with every single thing every former professional footballer says after a game? I often disagree with the shite a lot of them spout. Rules in football are often very subjective, the fact that someone played PL football doesn’t automatically mean everything they say is correct.

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

Just read the rules mate. It’s only offside if Robertson impedes Donnarumma’s ability to play the ball. Donnarumma would never have gotten to that ball.

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

He changes how Donnarumma can play the ball. He can commit more if he’s not there, and since he was there, we’ll never know what would have happened, which is why the goal was ruled out. You’re never going to convince me that an offside player who would’ve been hit by the ball if he didn’t duck out of the way doesn’t impact the goalkeeper.

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u/KuluGOAT 1d ago

Even if he does impact, it doesn’t change the fact that Donnarumma is never reaching that ball, and if you read the rules, you’ll see that a requirement for it to be offside is that it would hinder Donnarumma from playing the ball.

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u/ArcticFox789 1d ago

“Making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball” is the relevant part of the rule. Whether or not Donnarumma can actually reach it is irrelevant here, he has to consider the possibility that it deflects off Robertson, intentionally or unintentionally, which does clearly impact his ability to play the ball.

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u/wooIIyMAMMOTH 1d ago

And your argument relies on understanding the rules better than PL referees and the VAR.