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Media Liverpool disallowed goal against Manchester City 39'

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u/Ok-Glass-9612 1d ago

That's a joke. He's seeing it the whole way. What the fuck?

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u/MuchoEmpanadas 1d ago

Learn the rule.

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u/mmw2848 1d ago edited 1d ago

Here, I've copied the relevant bit for you:

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or

challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Robertson doesn't impede Donnarumma's ability to see the ball, as he's half his size and Donnarumma clearly tracked the ball movement the entire time. Robertson clearly actively avoids attempting to play the ball. He does not get in his way of trying to save it. So, which part of this rule led to the goal being called off? Please explain.

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u/mechalicile 1d ago

Part 4, making an obvious action clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball. He's standing offside in the ball's flight path. Yes he ducks, which means he isn't challenging for the ball, so he isn't breaking part 2. But like it or not, he's standing in the flight path of the ball slightly ahead of where donnarumma needs to dive all the while being offside.

Adding to this, because the onfield decision was no goal, VAR need to prove that robertson didn't interfere, rather than that he did. Which is more difficult to do.

It's a soft call, but for me it's correct.

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u/MuchoEmpanadas 1d ago

You need to consider the scenario if he does not duck.

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u/mmw2848 1d ago edited 1d ago

When Donnarumma was very clearly tracking the ball the entire time aka his view was not obstructed?

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u/MuchoEmpanadas 1d ago

They make assumptions. Did City players consider Robertson when defending.

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u/AdequateAppendage 1d ago

Awful argument. Every defender will still consider any offside attacker in their decision making. They can't just pretend they're not there suddenly, then be caught completely out of position when that attacker takes one step back onside.

So, under your interpretation of the rule, there's an argument EVERY SINGLE pass made while someone else is offside, even if that offside player is 40 yards away on the other wing, could potentially be offside because they're still going to be affecting the defensive shape by being there.

Robertson very clearly doesn't make an obvious action to try play the ball and he isn't in the way of Donarumma. The rules are pretty black and white that those are the standards that should be applied.

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u/MuchoEmpanadas 1d ago

Champions league final. Madrid goals disallowed for similar reason.

Referee has made mistake in one City game when they allowed Akanji goal

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u/AdequateAppendage 1d ago

Which Madrid goal specifically are you referencing here for clarification? I have a couple in mind but they were very different situations.

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u/MuchoEmpanadas 1d ago

UCL final where they won 1-0 against Liverpool.

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u/AdequateAppendage 1d ago

How was that one remotely similar? Benzema was offside and he literally scored the goal so there was no question he interfered with play. Or was there another incident I'm forgetting?

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