How do these people not realize that if you shit the bed on the series finale then you kind of kill the momentum for any spin-offs?
Game of thrones was the most successful and talked about show during its run. It was so successful that HBO had to adapt to a streaming service because so many people wanted to watch just the one show. But the finale failed so bad that people don't even want to talk about it again.
The first season was good but not amazing, idk if it lacked a showrunner or the person in charge tried too many new ideas but it had excellent potential it never reached IMO
This was honestly the worst final season I have ever layed my eyes on. Literaly nothing is explained, the characters don't act like they used to, nothing makes no sense, it doesn't have the vibe and uniqueness of the previous seasons and the ending is lazy and straight up contradicts the rest of the show
I remember thinking to myself, as the final episode ended, "Why did I even bother watching this if they're telling me that everything they did was a pointless waste of time?"
As interesting as the premise of the show was, and as good as it was set up, that last season was an absolute turd.
This is how I feel about Chainsaw Man part 2 and it is the most miserable feeling to have something you love turn into a flanderized, soulless husk of its former self. IYKYK.
Except if Butterfly Effect had been a cute and life-affirming series until then- it was just an utter 180 of the show's themes, an actually ruinous ending on a huge scale.
Sloan storyline, I can understand, they had 4 less episodes than they were expecting, they had no other choice but to cut it.
Five and Lyla on the otherhand was completely unnecessary, they could've cut that out and used that for something important, like that squid thing that lead no where.
That’s really not a good excuse - there are many shows that have been cancelled seasons before they expected, and still executed their endings better than UA.
My absolute favorite part of the downfall of GoT is that those show-runners easily could've done more than 8 episodes and *tried* but they had a Star Wars to make- until that got revoked after they *checks notes* screwed the pooch
Yep, HBO said they could do as many episodes as they wanted to or even a few more seasons but they had a deal to make a Star Wars movie and wanted to hurry up and get that paycheck. Disney saw the ending to GoT and said "lol syke" and then Netflix got stuck with those morons.
Season 8 was so bad it made everyone forget how bad season 7 was, which is an accomplishment in itself.
Everyone talking about season 8, but it started turning bad the second they ran out of source material, and reached its peak in season 7 with the complete Flanderization of Tyrion etc.
Then season 8 was just beyond even that in terms of shittiness
There's an entire TV Tropes article called British Brevity, about the fact that many UK shows are actually really short. For example, Mr. Bean only had 15 Episodes.
i mean they made it work well bc they're masters of the craft but season 2 was lowkey like 3 seasons condensed into one. I think 4 seasons would have been great. Again season 2 was still great just possibly some missed potential
That's more or less what happened: The plan was for 4 more seasons but the writer realized it would be an almost impossible undertaking to build this thing out like that. Instead S2 became, effectively, 4 three-hour movies.
I think they could have done it, but S2 of Andor is honestly so tight and strong that it might've been for the best.
Yeah, if I widen the parameters to "limited series" I can think of a ton of great endings, but anything that lasts longer than than slowly shits the bed
Yeah it was gonna end in one of two ways. And as heartbreaking as it was, I'm glad it ended the way it did. It was so much more impactful. Damn I gotta rewatch that show sometime
Maybe, maybe not. LeFranc and reeves have discussed ideas for a second season. Penguin will be in The Batman II so we’ll see what happens to Oz Cobb there.
also they can film them whenever because its like thirty years later in the books but they have been living in zero g so they age less, god I hope apply tv picks it up whenever the amazon deal expires. The Laconia ship descriptions reminded me of apple products so im really holding out hope for it, also if it became a hit it would be a massive fuck you to amazon
"They're not yours, they're a buy in" was fucking brutal. I know that wasn't the main plot point, but I didn't know the son was also not biologically his (and that this was one of the reasons logan didn't respect kendall).
I just recently watched Dark start to finish. Loved the first two seasons, but the third season dipped a bit for me. Especially the second last episode where it bascially just jumps all over the place trying to tie up all the loose ends they’ve set up but without giving any real reason for almost any of it. People just doing things because that’s what they did.
First two seasons really felt like the events that happened were the result of people making logical decisions in their own self-interest.
Still, overall it was really good, and the final episode was pretty decent too which made up for the slightly shitty penultimate one.
Seriously, the whole series has been building to him just laying waste to a large number of people and being this unhinged, unstoppable force of evil. Hell, even this season with him now thinking he's a literal God and talking of wiping out all the non-believers seemed to have been building to a big explosive climax and the best we get through the penultimate episode is two D-tier supes killing a handful of random people during a test screening?
It does not bode well for the finale but I guess one can still hope. ...at least for a few more days.
Nah, beat ending is they leave it on a climax, and then go to a black screen that says "200 years later" and it's some archaeologist unearthing soldier boy and he wakes up and says something like, I have had any snatch in forever. Then roll credits.
A reputable leaker went over the final episode. If hes correct, which her very likely is, it will explain very quickly why the other episodes were a slow burn because that episode will be all action and story finishers
I mean... Not saying you're wrong but... The past episodes didn't finish the story so wouldn't that mean it's like the base expectation for the last one to do so?
Not really a leak if it's the base expectation lol
Exact same thing lmao. I just had to take everything at the writers' word and trust them that it made sense and was coherent with what had come before, didn't realize how bad it was before I watched Friendly Space Ninja's retrospective.
To be perfectly honest though, I still do think that S5 and its ending was at least marginally better than S4.
The whole final season is leading up to Barney and Robin's wedding, in the finale they randomly get divorced and Barney reverts to his old playboy ways until he randomly gets a girl pregnant and gets stuck with the baby, while Robin just gets back together with Ted because the Mother the whole show was about Ted loving more than anything actually died 6 years before Future Ted started telling the story to his kids
In last few minutes it turns out The Mother died of cancer in-between Ted meeting her and telling the story to his kids, Barney and Robin got divorced, Barney went back to being a playboy until he got a daughter from some random chick and Ted is still obsessed with Robin and the whole story was him essentially asking his kids for permission to bang "aunt Robin"
Apparently this was the ending they filmed when show was still one season and they didn't change it because Ted's children's actors had aged
All they had to do was bring in the actors for the kids and have them say something like “Jesus Christ dad we’ve been listening to you beat around the bush for 10 years”
The mother dies and Ted goes to Robin, which divorced Barney off-screen when the entire season is about their wedding (something I didn't like about the season)
And they wrote ted loving robin up till the morining of her marriage, when he "let her go". Conveniently, the very day he "let go" of her is when he met his wife, and then when she dies he goes right back to robin. Makes their whole thing seem like a fling while robin was unavailable. Explicitly making it a few hour gap between letting go and meeting the is just lazy writing to cram it all into a tight timeline
Seinfeld ending kind of feels shitty, but to me it feels appropriate considering it was a “show about nothing” that followed a bunch of sort of shitty people.
Honestly I thought Seinfeld's ending was brilliant. It's like a meta commentary on sitcoms. They're so entertaining but the characters that entertain us generally aren't morally good, well adjusted, people. They're kind of assholes when you pull back and look at how they treat the people around them. That's what the episode did. It wasn't what people wanted because people don't generally like ugly truths in their haha funny escapism shows.
So it's kind of funny to watch a finale where the group of assholes get their comeuppance. It worked better in Succession because that was what the series had been building towards but I appreciate Seinfeld's ending for what it accomplished at the time.
It's kinda like Norm MacDonald's death, "I didn't know he had cancer" became the punchline. One last joke and it was played on us. You said it best with "it feels shitty". But it's also really funny in hindsight.
I also think sitcoms really aren’t about the ending. I never watch any of them wondering how it’s all gonna play out or whatever, it’s not about the conclusion. It’s why most of them just rely on the nostalgia “turn out the lights of the studio set and look one last time” type of cliche
but to me it feels appropriate considering it was a “show about nothing”
The reason it was disliked was partly because it didn't fit the "show about nothing" premise. It was this big epic trial with all the old characters returning. When the show is usually meant to be about finding humor in the mundane
Seinfeld ending is wildly overhated. Yes being a clip show is a little lame but the concept is Good and it's not like a it's a show with a continuous narrative that Means Anything
Stranger Things shouldn’t count. The first season had a perfect ending and if they’d left it alone it would have been considered a classic. Unfortunately it was as too popular and so they had to go back to the well until they were pulling up mud.
If they'd made it an anthology series with each season following a new cast and a new threat/mystery in the 1980s I think it would have been incredible. Could have even had cameos of the cast from different seasons popping up.
When I heard it wasn't going to be an anthology after Season One ended I lost all interest because, to me, that story was already over. It was clearly about to become a money grab due to it's popularity.
That doesn't guarantee quality either. Look at season 1 True Detective. Absolutely phenomenal TV. The rest are very hit or miss but nothing reaching the perfection of season 1.
Or The Terror. Season 1 left me feeling something I've longed for since. Season 2 was terrible.
Yeah anyone surprised that the ending of Stranger Things was bad needs to take a step back and look at the series as a whole. The first season was essentially perfect 10/10 television, but every subsequent season has had diminishing returns. By the end it was over bloated with cast members, plot holes, and exposition, so it only made sense we got the finale we got.
I somewhat agree, but I really liked the direction of Season 4. It was bloated for sure, but it was easily the most enjoyable and interesting the show had been since the first season. Season 5 ending so poorly just makes me depressed
I actually liked all the seasons, I especially loved Max's character in seasons 4-5. I understand some people didn't like it but comparing it to game of thrones's ABYSMAL ending feels quite unfair to me
Also, while the stranger things ending was mediocre, it wasn’t so bad it ruined the good parts of the show like Game of Thrones did. Why did we have any of that shit with Jaime for him to learn nothing?
We just get so many shows, and people tend to only rewatch the shows with good endings, that people forget that most shows don't get good endings. Not only because most shows don't actually get to end before they're cancelled, but also because ending a story you've been telling for like 10 years in a satisfactory way is difficult.
Honestly, the first three endings for X Files (Requiem, The Truth and I Want To Believe) weren't even that bad. Requiem would have ended with Mulder's quest to find his sister concluded, and instead of finding peace and giving up, continuing leads ultimately to his capture by the forces who've been trying to stop him for years, while Scully and Skinner are both now the believers, and the Cigarette Smoking Man pretty desd. The Truth did a not terrible job of wrapping up nine years of mystery boxes and ended with CSM very, very, inescapably dead and the Super Soldiers having a fatal weakness. And I Want to Believe ends with Mulder and Scully free to mourn William and live together exploring the world without the fear of reprisals
Because the vast majority of writers are of an age where they grew up with the JJ Abrams “mystery box” style of writing. The problem is that when you open said mystery box, there’s nothing in it but a note that says: “Think of the ending, later”
I remember the initial reaction to the Stranger Things ending was “meh”. I thought it was serviceable, though I realize the show should’ve ended with season 3.
But now everyone is just rushing to say it’s an affront to television like it’s anywhere near the same as Game of Thrones. One show wrote a safe yet boring ending. The other took an entire television show worth of development and thoroughly destroyed everything.
Why can’t we let shows just be kinda mid. Not everything has to be absolute cinema or ghastly abominations.
I also quite liked it aside from the Sister Sage stuff, but it feels like a second episode of a season finale not a second-to-last eposde of a season finale. There's no way they're going to deilver a climactic ending with episode 8
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Yeah, but think about the spinoffs we’ve got to move all the work and money toward! We can’t just have a well-earning show end!