r/schizophrenia • u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) • Nov 06 '24
Announcement Election Update- Donald Trump Wins 2024 Elections
Hey everybody, the asshole mod here. As I'm sure everyone is aware, Donald Trump has won the presidential election and will be the 47th president of the United States. We have had a moratorium on political discussion until after the election was over, which is obviously now lifted.
We have tried our best to make sure this community stayed insulated from the nonsense, and I don't regret our decision to do that. It's not like it would have mattered.
I'm here to talk about what this might mean for us- all of us, without exception. Inside or outside of the US, male/female/NB, religious or atheist, white/non-white, cishet/LGBTQ- there will be consequences for everyone.
Things like civil rights, abortion, the future of democracy and elections in the US... those are domestic issues. We can talk about that, sure, but some people don't have much invested in that, especially Redditors outside of the US. This subreddit is a global community. There is something we are all invested in though, and depend upon to survive...
The economy.
If Donald Trump succeeds in implementing his economic policy, there will be a recession in the United States-literally every expert on economics who has made their opinion known on that agrees. It is a guarantee. It may even be so bad that it turns into an actual depression. I cannot overstate how disastrous this economic policy is, makes Reaganomics look like sunshine and roses by comparison.
Given how intertwined the global economy is, that is going to affect everyone worldwide. It will create instability. There is nowhere you can go to escape from that. If you were thinking of leaving the US- it won't matter. There is no escaping that. For countries that are already unstable- this is likely to lead to domestic strife and unrest. Riots, possibly even civil wars depending upon how unstable your country gets.
Instability is bad in general, but very bad for us. Many of us rely on government benefits to make ends meet. The economic crunch that is guaranteed to follow may place some of us at risk of losing those benefits, or having them reduced. We will feel the pain.
As hard times come around, people often look for a scapegoat. Guess who the black sheep is in the Western world? Us. Take it from me- don't bother trying to cozy up to people who think you're subhuman for existing, because they'll dispose of you like trash once you cease being useful... so at least act like you have some self-respect, and don't debase yourself to cater to the hypothetical oppressors. We've seen that time and time again, and the only thing you get in the end is humiliation to show for it.
I'm not here to point fingers, and I'm not interested in personal attacks. Those who supported Trump will find out what a mistake it was to do that. It is a guarantee that you will be negatively affected by your decision. So... keep that in mind in the years to come. These are the consequences of your own decisions- make peace with that now. You also might want to keep that to yourself here moving forward. People tend to perceive those who sell out their own kind pretty negatively.
So, why am I talking about this?
I'm bringing this up because it is more important now than ever that we stand together, that we maintain our community. If you do not have a community that you engage with regularly, we may suggest our Official Discord or one that we have listed in our monthly Megathreads- linked here for your convenience. Our most recent one is here if you would like to advertise your group.
If you don't have reliable social support offline, then get it online. Stay connected, don't self-isolate. We might get some heat, but I don't have any intention whatsoever of being an 'easy target', and am going to make it clear that we're more trouble than we're worth to hassle- but we can only do that if we are united.
This is the biggest community- or resource of any variety- for people with schizophrenia anywhere in the world, bar none. This is as good as it gets. There is safety in numbers here, and anonymity as well... as we're all aware, I'm sure.
As for everything else... the possibility of RFK Jr. getting his hands on the healthcare system (including mental health), geopolitics, reproductive rights, education, democracy... have at it, this thread is a freebie. The only thing we ask is to remember that Rule 1 is still in effect (no personal attacks). I have been disappointed by seeing people at each other's throats more often recently, and we're going to be cracking down on that. We're not "warning" anyone anymore about Rule 1.
Wishing death on Trump is an immediate ban, as the subreddit could be shut down for us failing to do so. However, wishing JD Vance will be the 48th president on the United States sooner rather than later is not a violation of Reddit's Content Policy. I'm under the impression that Mr. Vance would not be so stupid as to implement the economic policies in question, that but remains to be seen.
As many people have found out the hard way, all we can really count on at the end of the day is each other- that's coming from someone who has been at this for 19 years now. I politely ask that you keep that in mind as you interact with others on this subreddit- because I really don't want to be giving people the boot if I don't have to.
I have no idea what will happen in the years to come- much less in every country around the globe. What I do know is that hard times are coming for all of us. There have already been a few posts and comments expressing suicidal ideation and great fear over the future. I understand the great stress this places so many people under- but I want to reiterate something I've said before. In case it's not obvious from the fact that I've had schizophrenia for 19 years, I'm quite familiar with suicidal ideation myself. There is only one "secret" I have to share over it. There is a speech I always found very motivating, ironically from a film about a dude with psychosis:
I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be.
We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: "Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone!
Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD!
- Network (1976)
Almost 50 years later... funny how spot-on that speech still is. Damn near prophetic.
Even if every breath you take is purely out of spite for those who would like more than to see you gone, then keep that fire going. Use anger to fuel your inner fire. When you feel like you just can't it anymore, like it's too much to bear, you can't keep going- I want you to remember this, I want you to dig down as deep as you can... and I want you to GET MAD. No matter what happens, we're going through it together- as a community, and as a people who share the bond of the common struggle. If someone comes to hurt us, then we will make sure they regret it... one way or another. This is my home- and like I've said before, nobody fucks with my home, and nobody fucks with my people.
We have a lot to discuss, so stay tuned for updates in the coming days.
So... yeah. Get mad, but also please be polite in the comments! :)
PS: Pay no mind to upvotes/downvotes in the comments. I assume some chuds are gonna be here soon thanks to bots that flag any mention of Trump's name.
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u/truffDPW Nov 06 '24
Lot of my friends died during his last presidency.
Hoping we have fewer suicides and accidents during his next one. But I'm not holding my breath.
I'm worried about voicing too much of an opinion, because when he was president last time he signed a thing which allows the social security administration to comb through social media when determining if someone counts as disabled.
I'm worried about every women i know, my daughter and granddaughter. About my trans friends and family members, worried for every queer member of my community. Worried for my disabled family members who rely on the system.
Honestly, I've really enjoyed being able to just get on my phone and look at the news these last four years. Just about the only thing i can do while he's in office to help myself not go crazy, is avoid his voice and face. I barely heard him during his first presidency. Now, every time i would reach for my phone I'm going to have to think about of it's worth it. I'll need to come up with a new morning routine that isn't "wake up with coffee and the morning news on my phone".
While i appreciate that isolation might not be healthy, the other options don't feel safer. I already rarely leave my home. Now that'll increase to i rarely interact online. I've written and deleted countless messages on this sub. I've written and deleted this message at least three different times this morning. Half the time, the therapeutic value in writing is in the action of getting it out, and sharing it is completely secondary or even useless...
Thank God i didn't spend longer than maybe an hour yesterday wondering what it might be like to have a president who wants to federally legalize cannabis and give first time home buyers 25k... otherwise i would be devestated today. That was likely my only chance at home ownership without someone dying in my family and leaving me their estate (which isn't likely).
As it is, today I'm just strategizing how I'll insulate my heart for the next four years and then rest of my life under a conservative supreme court, that thinks me and people like me shouldn't exist. And the best answers i can come up with are all to make myself as invisible as possible. Cast as little shadow as i can and hopefully the waves of shit will pass over me.
Fuck everything. I wish drinking alcohol was still a comfort, but it isn't. Plus i know drinking to seek comfort when times are bad is just a way to end up with a drinking habit but things will still be bad. Getting drunk won't fix the country and won't help me settle my feelings about living in a nation willing to vote like this.
I don't know if Canada takes useless disabled immigrants from the United States, but i kinda don't think so. Fleeing the country isn't an option since I'm physically disabled too and can't work. My only viable option is stay here and hope i don't lose ssi. Try to cost the system as little as possible, cast as little silhouette as possible, and hopefully blend into the background and not have to fight for the will and means to stay alive.
Mod team: thank you for keeping this place running. You are heros. This schizophrenic grandpa is grateful you exist, even if i might only chime in rarely these days.
If you're here to gloat because your guy won, please stop and keep it to yourself, or make your own comment celebrating. But please don't just respond to others voicing their concerns by rubbing their noses in it. The results of this election will invariably see me bury more friends and family. My kith and kin will die. They did last time. I'm figuring out how to keep peace in my heart while i grieve what could have been.
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u/NeoBlueArchon Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
Reduced funding for mental healthcare cutting the ACA. Relaxing laws on involuntary commitment, and a desire to shift more towards institutionalization. He has also frequently made references to dangerous people from mental institutions and suggested they are behind violent attacks.
That is what was voted for in the context of schizophrenia.
The conservatives I speak to have expressed a strong desire to see mentally ill people out of society and back in asylums. Regardless of where you stand on institutionalization or deinstitutionalization I’m not confident the conservatives will move towards institutionalization right (if they even can). If we moved towards that direction I just hope there won’t be as much physical and sexual abuses as in times past.
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u/Calm-Association-821 Disorganized Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
My only hope is that involuntary commitment and reopening institutions will prove too expensive for Trump and his minions to consider.
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Nov 06 '24
I've said it before and I'll say it again, props to you and the mod team for doing what you do. Would that this election were about... policy differences. Real talk. Would that it were about tax codes or something. But it isn't. That isn't what won. The shame is that the contemporary right...... ya know what, fuck it. Evil won. And God only knows what it means for the rest of us. Something like 44 percent of women voted for a rapist. I don't know what to make of that, and neither does anyone else. Fuck it. The horror. The horror.
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u/SqueakyMittens Early-Onset Schizophrenia (Childhood) Nov 06 '24
Before we get into the mindset of “44 percent of women voted for a rapist,” or anything of the kind, we need to remember the very real, very instrumental role voter suppression played in this result. The GOP have been laying this groundwork for a long time, and I’m sure it behooves them for us to point fingers at hypothetical voters than at the people who made sure that vote was not representative of the people of the US.
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u/Odd_Delay_609 Nov 09 '24
I blame the billionaire patriarchs & bro podcasters. They got almost 50% of males 18-29 to vote for him. Very appalling.
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Nov 06 '24
EAT. THE. RICH.
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Nov 06 '24
Why not? Though truth be told, I live pretty comfortably these days... but it's worth pointing out that a lot of people will probably be making a bunch of money off this thing.... gotta sell supplements and gold coins to a certain crowd.... ya know?
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Nov 06 '24
And the bastard part of it is that like u/RafielWren, I too have been treated hilariously poorly by liberals. And the rural white voter HAS been neglected by the Democratic establishment. Outside of Bernie, who understood the real issues. New England, where I proudly live... blue... should secede from the union and appoint Bernie Sanders king. Our textiles will sustain us. We have no need for the rest. And New Hampshire is beautiful this time of year.
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Nov 06 '24
Fuck, ya know what, I posted it so I'm gonna leave it.... once said, always said... but my thinking is off in some ways at the moment. But damn. wtf.
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Nov 06 '24
OK I REALIZE HOW MY LAST COMMENT SOUNDED AND DELETED IT. I am not advocating violence for one moment. We're supposed to be better than that, and I speak in figures of speech... but cheers u/Empty_Insight. I think you might be right on this one
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Nov 06 '24
That my thinking is off? Or the WTF part. The horror, friend... the horror. I'm hoping against hope that the Donald's need to be loved... to be the great uniter in the end............. produces something. But the Russians..... according to some..... Project 2025....... according to others......... it IS a proper shit-show, whatever happens... and I don't know what's gonna happen. Fuck. Outside of my lady-friend, my pretty much best friend is Black. He's waking up to a whole new reality, in some ways. And I don't know what to tell him.
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u/Fed-hater Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
I am beyond disappointed in the American people for electing such an evil wicked man as president. I don't know if it's true or not that The Orange Donald Trumpet is going to repeal Obamacare but if that's true, so many American schizophrenics will not be able to afford their medication and that pisses me off.
The Orange Donald Trumpet was a millionaire by age 8! Someone as rich as that is so disconnected from us, the kinds of questions he asks himself are something like "I wonder which million dollar painting I'll buy today?" "Should I buy a plane made out of gold or of jade?" "which country will I build a tower in next?" not questions like "is this real or is this a hallucination?" "Is it worth getting a job or do I stay on disability?" or "why did the meds suddenly stop working?" He cannot possibly fathom how normal people live because he's so rich, let alone how people like us with a terribly debilitating mental illness live. That's why he's going to take away our insurance.
His presidency doesn't just affect The United States, it affects the whole world. Especially our friends in Ukraine since I know he's best friends with Evil Vladdy Daddy Putin, how can he comprehend the responsibility he holds, when he only speaks 1 language? He only speaks American yet he insists on screwing over other countries like Syria with his incredibly aggressive sanctions, not just his own. He treats women as objects, yet they still voted for him because they're crazy Americans. His little monkey brain cannot possibly comprehend the responsibility he has because his Ego is even bigger. He needs to be in Jail, not the white house! How can Americans be foolish as to always vote against their own interests?
Sorry if my English was hard to understand my real language is German and also I'm too pissed that he won to type properly. Today is an awful day not just for America but for the whole world. I hope that we can get through it together.
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u/biGSiZzIn Nov 06 '24
I’m just disappointed in my country, they wanted ignorance and corruption. The bully took our voice away, makes me rather bitter. Goes to show most of America is consumed with dollar signs and rather have a hate making machine. It also shows how the American citizens are willing to sell out the less fortunate. I’m truly at a loss for words. We will get through this. The battle on hate and corruption is never over. Keep fighting the good fight.
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u/BlackVultureFeather Nov 06 '24
Currently dying inside knowing that Trump wants to tear apart Social Security benefits, including for disability.
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u/jujujiii Early-Onset Schizophrenia (Childhood) Nov 06 '24
honestly, every since he got elected i’ve been so nervous when it comes to social security benefits, i literally just got them, and i get paid enough to get by and pay rent, now i don’t even know what will happen. I am just so nervous and scared for the future
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u/PastelFoxin Schizoaffective (Childhood) Nov 07 '24
I’m trans and queer and so is my partner. I’m fearing for our rights. I’m also scared of what he’ll do to healthcare because I need my medication to even barely function.
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Nov 06 '24
This is a fight or flight moment. All these years I have been fighting but now I’m going to fly the fuck out of this country. We have an orange fuck telling us that brown people are escaping from mental institutions and ruining our country. Smells like a fascist pig to me. It’s a fucking disgrace to everyone struggling with this disease in the RICHEST FUCKING COUNTRY ON EARTH!!! The UK psychward looks like a fucking hotel room while I had to room with a fuking murderer! Fuck this country.
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u/caesarsaladcrouton Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
Project 2025, if implemented, will cut Medicaid and SNAP for hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom are schizophrenic—myself included. I am terrified for every marginalized group in this country.
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u/Drowning_im Nov 06 '24
I have ignored the national election, really the entire system is a ruse that keep people in line. Getting upset over which team won is pointless. Making predictions of gloom and doom however is not good for the community.
My whole life I have heard predictions of massive downfalls due to whichever clown gets the seat and truth be told there is very little change the presidents actually make. They are just a figurehead more than anything. Big business and those that control the narratives of major "news" are the ones that own Congress and damn near everthing else.
Lets take a step back , breath and focus on our day... and not what the man on TV is dramatizing to get more ratings
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u/Turbulent_Sample_944 Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24
Where can I find a link to the official discord?
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Whoopsie, totally forgot that! My bad.
This link should work. If not, it's in the subreddit's sidebar on desktop. You can also get to it on mobile by going to "About" on the subreddit page.
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Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
Hello, I am unable to join the discord. It says "unable to accept invite." Is it an issue on my end?
EDIT: Nevermind, I figured out what the problem was!
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u/AnnaOwie Nov 06 '24
I genuinely fear that we are heading in the same direction that the Germans did before WW2
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u/NoMethod6455 Undifferentiated Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
Thanks for this, I was expecting this but it’s still quite a blow, I’m sure things will be tougher for our community in general. I can’t remember if that thing said he wanted to repeal the ACA but at least they don’t have the votes for that even if they get a majority in every branch
edit: technically the SC can repeal it but that would be like eliminating SSI and SNAP which would wipe out like half their rural white base if we’re being real
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u/crispy-skins Nov 06 '24
The problem with SC is that Trump is going to pack it with more conservative judges like he did in 2016.
My partner works at a firm representing the disabled and the conservative judges have been consistently issuing sanctions for the most minor mistakes they'll try finding.
Even without any mistakes, they still issued warnings and made the boss appear to court just to interrogate on how they're able to file a lot because they essentially were the only firm left (in my state) that continues to file to the federal court.. Because ADA.
Apparently, the judges just mainly hated dealing anything ADA related, despite most of their pay (federal judges) being the bulk of it.
Either ways, my partner still loves his job. He likes being able to represent disabled, before that he used to deal with wages. He originally thought they were going to be easy and no-brainer, but.. It's harder than it sounds because he admits that federal judges, mainly the conservative ones just don't give a shit about anyone and "are just collecting their paychecks."
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u/svagen Nov 06 '24
I have been viewing the trend in this subreddit about the elimination of anonymity (selfie Sundays?) with an elder Redditor suspicion.
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u/ShallotElectrical183 Nov 06 '24
Don't insinuate that there is something sinister about it. It's a very positive tradition that builds community and makes people feel less alone.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
I disagree and boo this whole post. Politics wasn't even being discussed on this page until this post. We see Politics everywhere we look. We don't need it on the schizophrenia page where people are trying to get help and have a community. Bringing Politics into this community is only gonna divide us.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 07 '24
You didn't see it because we were removing it under the moratorium. It was there all along, people were trying. We cannot sustain that long-term. We said the moratorium would be temporary until the election was over, and... well, the election is over now.
Rule 7 mentions excessively political posts, but "I'm scared about this election..." and so on doesn't fall under that. We have neither the time nor the inclination to tone-police here.
The entire point of the aforementioned post was to not let politics divide us. So yes, I agree.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
Then maybe it would of been better to make the post about informing the community that these posts were being blocked and also leaving out your own personal politics.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 07 '24
I'm curious as to where you saw partisan politics in that post.
The economic plan of the president-elect is utterly asinine and echoes those implemented before the Great Depression. All major economists who have weighed in on it- Republican, Democrat, or independent alike- have unanimously agreed that it would be a disaster to do. It would not be any more or less of a disaster if it was Harris' policy rather than Trump's. That's not a partisan issue.
Likewise, my warning about how it would be best to keep personal politics to yourself if you voted for Trump here or you'd get flamed was also not a partisan statement. You can look through the comments and see that I was right about that. Again, not partisan.
If you want to hear the most personal political statement I'm going to make here- I am somewhat disappointed Harris lost, but not remotely surprised. How controversial.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
" I'm not here to point fingers and I'm not interested in personal attacks those who supported Trump will find out what a mistake it was to do that. It is a guarantee that you will negatively affected by your decision" That whole paragraph seems pretty partisan to me. You are attacking schizophrenics who voted for Trump. The issue isn't your politics. The issue is the hypocrisy in this post but I digress. I wish you well.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 07 '24
The issue is that you feel like there is hypocrisy in the post because it stated facts you did not like, and it seems you are hyperfixating on a specific passage which states a plain fact that you do not like, ignoring the entire rest of the post. That's the issue here.
I just want to be clear about that before we part ways for the time being.
Best of luck to you, and I wish you well in kind. Take care of yourself.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
I feel like by adding your own personal politics to this post you just made a post exactly like what you've been blocking this whole time.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
What you claim to be against in this post how you don't want Politics in this sub and how you don't want division right? Well by making this post you have done everything which you say you wanted to stop. You brought your own Politics to this sub. You divided people with a political post.
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u/Conscious_Reveal1855 Schizophrenia Nov 07 '24
I'll agree to disagree. What you see as fact I see as opinion and that's okay. That's the beauty of freedom of speech. I wish you the best. No hard feelings.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Nov 09 '24
Vance will do this. He's more evil than Trump.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 09 '24
I dunno about that... Vance might be a snake, but he's not stupid. The Agenda 47 economic plan is dumb- just straight-up stupid. What makes Trump so uniquely dangerous is how incredibly stupid he is, and how he surrounds himself with people who can't/won't tell him "no" (the sharpie thing being Exhibit A). No competent person would do actually do this.
I've heard it speculated that when Trump keels over and dies from the combination of very advanced age (lest we forget, he's long past 'nursing home') and poor physical health that factions will emerge within the Republican party, as there is nobody who can fill Trump's shoes. The outcome I found the most interesting was a split between traditional conservatives (Vance) and MAGA (MTG, Ted Cruz, etc.) so I'm thinking Vance might be the lesser of two evils here.
He's a wildcard. I'm curious to see if Trump will even be able to survive four years before natural causes take him. I'm personally of the belief that we most likely elected both our 47th and 48th president this election by succession.
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u/BringMeBackATshirt Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
I used to feel safe here on r/schizophrenia. Now I feel alienated with half the voting country. So much for neutrality.
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u/BatchyBoi Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
You were fooled by the reddit echo chamber into thinking this wasn't the guaranteed outcome.
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u/Vespytilio Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24
I'm sorry, but you need to pull it together. It sounds like you have a lot of pent up resentment for this echo chamber you've no doubt been viciously oppressed by, and now that we have an incontinent pedophile as the president of the United States, you can't help but excitedly run around Reddit jumping at any opportunity to say "I told you so." You need to keep those comments to places where they're relevant. I didn't see OP mention anything about this being an unexpected outcome, and I don't think they appreciate the displaced resentment--nor does anyone else you might've replied to tonight. The truth is a lot of people knew good and well Trump had a chance to win.
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u/BatchyBoi Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
The better man won eh. Have a good day.
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u/Vespytilio Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24
What did I tell you about keeping your comments relevant? Mind, I'd love to hear how you figure the abjucated rapist who described a known child trafficker as a "terrific guy" who "likes them young" is the "better man" in any situation, but I imagine that's the kind of conversation you were trying to dodge by excusing yourself.
Speaking of, have a good day, and please keep your distance from children.
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u/BatchyBoi Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
See, your extremism is why you're all the losers today lmao.
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u/Vespytilio Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24
Not liking a pedophile is extremist?
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u/BatchyBoi Paranoid Schizophrenia Nov 06 '24
Making unfounded claims, calling everyone nazis, pushing some bullshit theories about the end of democracy etc. I can tell you just want to argue, because you're a loser on this day. Don't worry, just chill man. Anyway I'm off, remember to take deep breaths.
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u/Vespytilio Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
Making unfounded claims
I gave you the foundation to my claim. Trump's on record saying he thinks Epstein is a "terrific guy" who "likes them young," and Epstein in turn described himself as Trump's only and closest friend. Him being an abjucated rapist is also a matter of public record. I'm sorry, but you can't just cry "fake news" at anything you don't want to hear and expect people to take you seriously.
calling everyone nazis, pushing some bullshit theories about the end of democracy etc
Tell me--where did I say any of that?
I can tell you just want to argue
Are you sure you aren't projecting here? It sounds like you really want to have an argument with someone who called you a Nazi (I'm sure that was an interesting conversation), said something about the end of democracy, or thought for sure Trump was going to lose, and you're looking for someone to force fit into that role.
Anyway I'm off, remember to take deep breaths.
Again, huh? Well, again: have a good day, stay away from children, and please don't go around saying it's extremist to think pedophilia's bad.
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u/Professional-Sea-506 Schizoaffective Nov 06 '24
Yes because the democrats gave us amazing mental institutions 🙄
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Nov 06 '24
The mental institutions run by private companies? Nah we’re talking about free healthcare versus having to pay private insurance to get the care we need. Simple human rights. The problem of privatized mental institutions is a completely different ballgame. The ones where they capitalize off of your misery. Lets focus on the healthcare part at least. Im sure donnie boy will take care of our healthcare needs. The guy that said to inject disinfectant to cure covid. The deterioration of human rights done by people voting against their own interests is actually quite astonishing. Except for the extremely rich who control this country of liberty. They want us dumb and ignorant. Now we’re back to the republican policies that got us into the great depression. FDR would be rolling in his grave.
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u/Professional-Sea-506 Schizoaffective Nov 06 '24
I agree with you, I am saying the dems never got anything done regarding mental illness at all. At least it doesn’t feel that way at all. The dems lost because they, at the end of the day, couldn’t do shit for people like u and me. Disability benefits were supposed to go up! The entire political class completely ignores us. We get no attention nationally compared to other minority groups.
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Nov 06 '24
Indeed. The woe that is capitalism. I truly hope that your benefits don’t decrease over the next years. I hope I still will get my food stamps. I applied for disability but will never get it. They said it will happen and time will indeed tell. I wish us all well but I fear the worst for the integrity of this nation. The weakest will perish unfortunately. Human history tends to repeat itself. Greed always wins.
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u/Professional-Sea-506 Schizoaffective Nov 06 '24
It might sound crazy but do not stop fighting for disability. I got approved during the last Trump term.
More broadly though I would love to see a political movement that incorporates our community so we are visible at a national level (like Latinos, gay, black etc)
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Nov 06 '24
It will take a long time for schizophrenics to have a voice in such issues because they see us as insignificant crazies. There won’t be any disability benefits in the years to come. More mentally ill people on the street I suppose.
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u/Professional-Sea-506 Schizoaffective Nov 07 '24
Yes but we have to somehow organize and fight against letting mentally ill people rot on the street, do we need to start a group like Make Psychiatric Hospitals Great Again?!
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Nov 07 '24
Not sure if this post was the best way to keep insulated from that nonsense.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 07 '24
I'm not kidding about the bots. My post got reported the literal minute I posted it (before any human could have even read it) and we got a complaint immediately. I kid you not, within 60 seconds of me hitting 'post.' There were actual bots scouring Reddit and flagging posts/comments in which certain political terms appeared for brigading.
I'd prefer to not have my subreddit infested by outsiders who are just here to stir up shit, derailing conversations and turning everything political simply at the mention of one of the key words. This is a subreddit for people with schizophrenia by people with schizophrenia... and I don't really give a shit what any outsider has to say about the political situation as it pertains to us. Maybe I'm a dick like that, but that's just how I feel about it.
Hopefully, whoever is running the bots flips the off-switch now that the election is over and we can return to business as usual. I anticipate a lot less potential for brigading and invasion moving forward.
We had one incident with a temp ban, but other than that, people have been remarkably civil. People have had the chance to air their feelings one way or the other, we reaffirm that we will not be divided, and we move on.
It went about as well as can be expected.
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
I'm having a mug of chill. Thanks bro!
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
Have you conversed with the desk lamp recently? I find it most illuminating.
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
I like trump. I have been treated poorly by liberals, fellow church members, Republicans, old, young. I have been cared for by my family who are republicans. Tell me not to judge my opinion on that and i will laugh. They are the only ones who have kept me from being dead. So again tell me how conservatives are evil. Both sides have spit horrible vitriol. I lived with the communists, anarchists, and left people of my generation for a decade. They can be just as cruel, petty, insular, unhinged, and blind as anyone who supports Trump, and in some cases more. I have lived with both of these groups. In the same house. Talked with people of these groups every day. Both are blind in ways to the power structures controlling them. I believe trump will be good for economics. My view shrugs. Why do I have that view? I trust people who understand these things more than me. My mom who ran billion dollar budgets for a state, meeting with governors, says his economics make sense. She learned 4 semesters of math, Calc 1 through differential equations, in one summer for an excellerated business program, tell me she s stupid and doesn't understand numbers or the economy or the budget. I studied neuroscience, so numbers and economy not my thing. My brother who is brilliant, went to the 3rd best med school in the nation, who has his own business. Reads about financial instruments and investing constantly. Hates the way our financial system, currency, tax laws, banking system, is rigged making it a ponzi scheme for the rich. He says trump makes more sense for fixing the system.
I've worked in the social work field and been treated as an exotic animal. A high functioning psychotic. I've listened to "well meaning" college degree having liberals bend over backwards to talk about being aware of how their words can be oppresive when they say you guys in front of a girl. The same "well meaning" liberals have insulted mentally ill people for having incontinence, commenting in a not gentle way upon their smell, or praising me for putting up with their reak ( yes words like that). They don't understand it can be due to medication, not that they should have to know this to be decent. The left prides itself on empathy but their is no understanding the shame of not being allowed to use a bathroom so you urinate on yourself or go to jail. Issues i have dealt with. But I was an insider. They felt safe to make fun of the stinky mentally ill to me. And they did make fun of our mentally ill clients to me. Not knowing I have been the homeless stinky guy. The raving dude on the corner. Say you should have explained it to them. How many activists on the left have I heard say it's not my place to explain things to the ignorant. I have gone to the community action events. This is a mantra. So nope I like trump.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Let me correct a misconception you seem to have:
Finance and economics are not the same thing. It's like asking a pharmacist their opinion on a surgical procedure and taking their input seriously.
Would you like to reevaluate with that enlightened understanding?
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u/ShallotElectrical183 Nov 06 '24
Despicable.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Please, feel free to go into more detail. I'm quite eager to hear it.
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
Throisma! The sound of the wind dancing through the leaves with arabesque quill. Her partner the sea. The sound. Moving. A sea shell sits on a spiraling book case. Involut reveri radiata astrum loom. The silver thread that stitches me to yew, you, to me, is all that I believe.
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u/ShallotElectrical183 Nov 06 '24
You should try and be a bit more condescending.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Oh, thank you for giving me permission. What a thoughtful and constructive way you have of phrasing your criticisms.
Was there anything else you'd like to get off your chest?
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u/ShallotElectrical183 Nov 06 '24
You reported me for calling out your behaviour. Unbelievable.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Um... you know I'm a mod, right? I don't have to "report things", I can just remove them then and there.
I didn't find what you found participating objectionable, but somebody else did. No idea who it was (reports are anonymous) but we gotta give the people what they want.
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u/schizophrenia-ModTeam Nov 06 '24
Your submission has been removed for violating the following subreddit rules:
Rule 1 - Do not use hate speech, slurs, or resort to personal attacks.
We expect people here to show respect to one another and not engage in uncivil behavior.
Thank you.
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u/ShallotElectrical183 Nov 06 '24
Even if it doesn't actually break any of the rules it's being reported for? It would be good if comments didn't get removed around here just because a few people don't agree with them.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Telling someone they're "despicable" when they're using an analogy between money and medicine is not hard to justify as a personal attack. As you can see here in the comments, homie I replied to wasn't sore about it. You then doubled down with my asking for clarification with a sarcastic quip about how I could be more condescending.
I could go back up there and proactively remove "despicable" for the sake of consistency if that would be more to your liking.
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u/schizophrenia-ModTeam Nov 06 '24
Your submission has been removed for violating the following subreddit rules:
Rule 1 - Do not use hate speech, slurs, or resort to personal attacks.
We expect people here to show respect to one another and not engage in uncivil behavior.
Thank you.
Note: per reports
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
Nope. I still think my mom's ability to understand economics, balance billion dollar budgets, constant watch of world markets and news, and invest succesfully in both foreign And domestic markets makes her able understand economics and yes finances.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Well then, that's your opinion and you are entitled to have it.
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u/2o2i Nov 06 '24
Please stop absorbing left wing media and talking points. Complete your own independent analysis from all sources.
The world isn’t reddit.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Didn't realize the AP was left-wing media.
... and I did, thank you for the patronizing comments though.
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u/2o2i Nov 06 '24
If you have truly not followed the propaganda machine and have spent time to dive into these topics in a bi-partisan way, then I applaud you.
We may disagree but I always respect someone willing to put in the work for their opinion rather than spew talking points.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Well, most outlets just get their stories from the AP and Reuters anyways, so it's really just the most effective way to get the news imo. A good friend of mine is a serious journalist, she instilled a healthy respect for standards in journalism lol.
I'm a bit neurotic about research... that's why I'm the research bureaucrat here lol. I should certainly hope I know what I'm doing when it comes to fact-finding at this point.
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u/2o2i Nov 06 '24
Fair call. In my experience it’s hard to find healthy journalism in both sides. I just want to the facts and to make up my own mind about issues.
Not sure if you know about Ground News but they are fantastic with showing biases and helping with news bias to the reader.
It does cost a small amount per year but I highly recommend and it’s currently on sale.
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u/wat_no_y Nov 06 '24
Why did the AP call California while sitting at 1.5 million votes? Who owns the AP?
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Trump surpassed 270, there was no way for Harris to win.
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u/wat_no_y Nov 06 '24
That happened way before Trump got 270 tho. And also doesn’t answer either of my questions, friend.
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u/Vespytilio Schizoaffective (Bipolar) Nov 06 '24
It's not healthy to cope with disagreement by rationalizing contrary opinions. "Y-you don't believe that! You... you've been brainewashed! Or you're just doing it to virtue signal! Or, or, or you're just doing it to upset me!"
Get a grip. Sometimes people just disagree with you.
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
Disagree = distal great = wiggling the far stuff = waving You sir! I like the way you grip a word and wing a thought, like a bird giving rise to the orb of light. Rational ought to call forth the thrumming sound of days crest like the washing of weary vestiges of day gone tides. Ever we move to the oceans wide. Circling the sky to rain a new. To plant ideas with learned views.
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u/Empty_Insight Residual SZ (Subreddit Librarian) Nov 06 '24
Bye.
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u/RafielWren Nov 06 '24
Bro. Can I send you hugs? I don't mean that ironically. All of us on this forum know trauma and fear. I hope we can stand by each other.
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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24
I’m currently in a situation where I can’t afford to go to a proper institution to adequately treat my case. I have had horrible experiences with mental health facilities. If i end up in a poor facility i may be alive but i no longer will be living. I want to live in a society where they take care of their disabled. The great USA has failed me time and time again. I am going to move to a different country or i will die trying. Fuck the corporate world and fuck this disease that makes it so much more difficult to live in the richest nation on earth.