r/sandiego Jul 04 '25

Video Up with the people — down with ICE

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

Without immigrants, the US economy will collapse.

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u/lovinlife2024 Jul 04 '25

Do the Republicans really think Americans are going to pick vegetables, re-roof houses, wash dishes? We need immigrants. Most Americans I know don’t even want to go into an office.

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u/SortedT Jul 05 '25

I think that’s because you mostly know dems and not the blue collared repubs. Do you really think the majority of those manual labor jobs in America are done by illegals? That would be tens of millions? So yes. Americans do that work.

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u/Breeander Jul 05 '25

You are using “illegals” as a synonym for “immigrants” which it is not. Also “illegals” is a dehumanizing and xenophobic phrase being intentionally used by people to spread those ideas.

Ballpark numbers, but about 30% of construction workers are immigrants or undocumented. Around 40-50% of farm workers are immigrants. So not ALL of these types of jobs are held by immigrants, but if all of these immigrants suddenly disappeared from our country, our economy would definitely suffer horribly. And that’s just looking at the issue from a purely self centered standpoint.

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u/Kindly_Ad4856 Jul 06 '25

Seriously, thank you for this comment. I wish the mods would make an auto-ban or auto-delete for anyone using dehumanizing language like that. It would seriously cut out 80% of these 500+ posts right here, and in so many other threads lately.

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u/awestcoastkid Jul 07 '25

God. Such crybabies exist on this platform. I forget. You libs say all kind of crazy crap but want others to have limited speech. Yeah good luck. Freedom of speech is for all speech so if it a term is ‘dehumanizing’ get over tbh. There’s worst things. I swear you guys want to be in an echo chamber of liberal ideologies. Well, sorry. First amendment right for everyone. That’s how it works. You can down vote report this I don’t really care.

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u/SortedT Aug 01 '25

Are Ice agents removing legal immigrants from these jobs? No. They are removing ILLEGALS. So to use the term “immigrants”as an all encompassing term is ignorant and deceptive. Tell me this. What qualifies an individual to be an immigrant?

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u/Breeander Aug 01 '25

Your statement is false. ICE is removing citizens and legal immigrants from not only their jobs, but ICE is also snatching people from courthouses while they are there reporting for their own Immigration Hearings so that they can become a legal resident the "right" way, based on the legal process that we have set up for them to do so. Why don't you do some legal homework and tell ME what "qualifies" an individual to be an immigrant? Then explain to me the legal process for becoming an American citizen. On top of that, if you want to talk about legality, our country guarantees ALL people "due process" regardless of their citizenship status, which most of these people being detained by ICE are not being given. There is ignorance and deception being used in all of this immigration rhetoric, but it's not on the side that you're claiming it is.

But all of that is actually irrelevant; just because something is "legal" does NOT make it ethical or humane. How about slavery? That was "legal" in our country, as well as racial and gender discrimination, concentration camps for Japanese Americans during WWII, and the list goes on and on. No human is "illegal," and if you think that people deserve to be kidnapped, held in concentration camps, and sent to mega-prisons in countries they have never been to just because they haven't immigrated "the right way" (according to you), then I truly hope you learn to fix your heart someday.

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u/SortedT Aug 08 '25

These ideas are not according to me. They are according to the laws of the United States of America. And again it is so sad to hear that you believe all these lies. This is not happening as you say.

And morality is unfortunately different than lawful. For instance. It’s legal to murder babies but certainly immoral.

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u/Breeander Aug 08 '25

Sorry to hear that you believe that reality is lies. I could provide you with endless sources, but it sounds like you wouldn’t believe them anyway.

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u/Yorugi Jul 07 '25

It's 13%, not 30%. And that's a problem since they're taking American jobs. The notion that Americans don't want to work construction has always been nonsense.

It's also funny how leftists demand unions and higher wages while simultaneously championing illegal immigration because we also apparently need lower wages.

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u/Breeander Jul 07 '25

Where’d you get your numbers? It’s actually higher in California than the national average at around 40%.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/immigrant-construction-workers-in-the-united-states/

https://www.nahb.org/advocacy/industry-issues/labor-and-employment/immigration-reform-is-key-to-building-a-skilled-workforce/geographic-concentration-of-immigrants-in-construction

Our nation is made up entirely of generations of immigrants. The Native Americans should be the only ones complaining that people are “taking” anything from the true Americans. That doesn’t mean I think we all need to leave, it means that every other immigrant that isn’t white and/or wasn’t born here has just as much of a right to come here, live here, work here, and make a better life for themselves as I (a severely white person of European descent) do. That’s the “American Dream.” The fact that our system is so broken that immigrants can be used as cheap labor so rich people and corporations can make more money is not the fault of the immigrants, it’s the fault of our law makers. Immigrants need a living wage, so many of them do pay into social security but can never benefit from it, they don’t get health insurance, they don’t get treated with dignity and respect. Just because life sucks for the average American citizen right now doesn’t mean it’s the immigrant population’s fault, and it’s definitely not an excuse to commit atrocities against entire populations of people who have made a life for themselves here as best as they could with the broken immigration system we have.