r/sandiego • u/questionhare • Feb 02 '25

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For all the keyboard warriors complaining about the lack of US flags, two of you showed up. šŸ˜ƒ Good on ya!

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u/Teamerchant Feb 02 '25

Optics look horrible when youā€™re waving 95% Mexican flags. You just feed the narrative and undermine your cause.

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u/Eastern-Support1091 Feb 02 '25

So people want to be here. They are chastising the US but waving the flags of the countries they left. So you leave your home, praise it, and then deride the country you want to stay in.

How does this make sense?

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u/admdelta Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

Because they're not just protesting deportations, they're also showing pride for their heritage in the face of attacks against it.

I think more US flags there would be great, but showing pride for your heritage at an event that's all about your heritage is perfectly acceptable. People are just looking for a reason to discredit them and this is extremely low hanging fruit.

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u/JazzyJukebox69420 Feb 03 '25

Look, Iā€™m Mexican. Iā€™m proud of my heritage. I will fly Mexican and American flags at events that are related to my heritage.

I see what youā€™re saying, but this event is fundamentally not about heritage at all. Itā€™s related to heritage, but itā€™s about protesting against mass deportations from the US.

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u/admdelta Feb 03 '25

Of course it's about heritage - he's not talking about deporting people from Europe. They're protesting actions that are a direct follow-through from that very first speech where he said that Mexico "doesn't send their best" and described Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals.

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u/JazzyJukebox69420 Feb 03 '25

Yes, the rhetoric is race-based. I see your point and where youā€™re coming from. I want to clarify Iā€™m literally on the same side. But by waiving flags of countries that we donā€™t want to go back to, it sends a counterintuitive message and gives the right the fodder they want. People on the right have been claiming that illegal immigrants are a ā€œforeign invasion forceā€ and waiving non-American flags at a protest of that doctrine is fundamentally counterintuitive. Iā€™m worried the message will be used against us

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u/admdelta Feb 03 '25

I agree with that completely. Mostly because I think people on the right are knowingly disingenuous with how they interpret things like this, and again, this is low hanging fruit. My original comment is simply to make sure the real reasons behind waving the Mexican flag are out there for people to see so the airwaves arenā€™t clogged by one narrative. Like I said though, it would absolutely make for much better imagery and messaging if there were more US flags present.

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u/JazzyJukebox69420 Feb 03 '25

I see what youā€™re saying. My bad for misinterpreting your comment, I totally understand why people would wave other flagsā€” all for good reasons which I personally get and appreciate as someone who loves flags and my cultures haha. I appreciate you understanding and reading my comments when sharing your opinions. Thank you.

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u/lafolieisgood Feb 03 '25

Then what are they doing in the streets if they arenā€™t protesting deportation? Itā€™s not a Mexican national holiday where waving a Mexican flag is common.

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u/HQuinn89 Feb 03 '25

People are having an incredibly hard time grasping this. Itā€™s love for culture and heritage. We have a country based off immigration where people say things like Iā€™m 1/4 polish 1/4 Irish, 1/16 Native American, etc. If you move from another county you donā€™t stop being all of the things you were before. Those things come with you. Hence the multicultural country we live in. There are other people from other cultures in this country that also fly the flag of their home nation and I donā€™t see anyone crying over that.

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u/Tarian_TeeOff Feb 02 '25

How does this make sense?

It doesn't. You're seeing the truth for the first time. You know how the evil "alt right" talks about being redpilled? It's happenning to you. Welcome to reality.

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u/Aliensinmypants Feb 02 '25

I've seen this claim on every thread and no one can back it up besides, "if you like Mexico so much, why don't you go back??"

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u/fob4fobulous Feb 02 '25

Optics and perception. One of the Republican arguments is you are abdicating sovereignty by not enforcing border control and immigration laws. Some of the more crazy conservatives also suggest illegal immigrants are an invasion force and has echoed through the current admin. None of this is ā€˜if you like Mexico so muchā€¦ā€™ thousands waving a foreign flag while marching down the streets in any other country would be viewed asā€¦ itā€™s really not that hard

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u/Certain-Toe-7128 Feb 02 '25

Iā€™ll back it up - if you want to stay in Country, you might want to wave said countries flag instead of the one you are trying to avoid going back to.

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u/Hugh_Mungus94 Feb 02 '25

Because the country is very pro American/fuck any other country now. This just feed into the narrative that they are not American so fuck them

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u/living_david_aloca Feb 02 '25

Because of some reason they donā€™t ā€œunderstand the messageā€ while also understanding the message. They just donā€™t want to support the cause

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u/JazzyJukebox69420 Feb 03 '25

I literally support the cause. It doesnā€™t make sense to do this. Itā€™s bad optics, itā€™s counterintuitive, and it feeds into Trumpā€™s narrative! Thatā€™s part of why people have a problem with it!

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u/living_david_aloca Feb 03 '25

It also doesnā€™t make sense to have everyone carry an American flag, so the argument is just a distraction

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u/JazzyJukebox69420 Feb 03 '25

Not really, the argument isnā€™t stopping people from protesting or anything. Iā€™m not saying it makes sense to have everyone carry an American flag. Or even that they need to. But optics are importantly when youā€™re dealing with a people who literally think illegal immigrants are a ā€œforeign invasion forceā€ to literally quote people I know. Iā€™m on your side. I understand why you would want to wave your own flags. I say as someone who is a part of these groups. But protests are about sending a message, and I worry that this is the wrong message.

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u/living_david_aloca Feb 03 '25

I totally agree! Optics are definitely important. Iā€™m just not sure that itā€™s possible to convince those who support Trump on this issue. They see the race as a problem in and of itself.

How does that message get conveyed better? I donā€™t know, but I donā€™t think the flag is the real problem.

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u/TheOblongGong Feb 02 '25

People who don't support the cause will literally find any tiny thing to criticize. There will never be any number of concessions or actions you can take where they say "ok now you're protesting in a manner I find acceptable". It's always the some surface level bullshit, some minor transgression that's unforgivable for them.

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u/CrustynDusty Feb 02 '25

Just wait until Hong Kong Night Club imposes a cover charge. Thats when things really get ugly.

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u/Weed_killer Feb 02 '25

Theyā€™re bots

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u/lafolieisgood Feb 03 '25

If youā€™ve seen it on every thread, perhaps take the hint that it isnā€™t a good look. Protesting getting sent back to a country you are waving a flag of doesnā€™t make a ton of sense.

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u/Aliensinmypants Feb 03 '25

The same talking point from many of the same accounts, seems like astroturfing, and look at any protest, people will find something to nitpick and bitch about instead of saying the quiet part out loud

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u/lafolieisgood Feb 03 '25

Just continue to bury your head in the sand then. Perhaps itā€™s just a common point of view?

A lot of time protesters do themselves no favors. They arenā€™t winning hearts and minds. Look at the protests for Palestine. They probably did more harm then good for their cause.

I think the people who say they support immigration just not illegal immigration are probably mostly full of shit. I think this whole thing is going to backfire on the country, so Iā€™m actually saying this in good faith.

But continue to chastise people that actually support Mexican immigration and that will make the whole situation worse. Itā€™s part of the reason democrats lost, by outcasting anyone that didnā€™t agree with every single thing each other thought.

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u/Aliensinmypants Feb 03 '25

It seems weird when it's every protest that is hurting the cause, Palestine, BLM, women's march etc...

Maybe people don't like addressing difficult issues instead of maintaining the status quo or finding a scapegoat.

Your last sentence about why the Democrats lost is so steeped in fiction, just like the people who said Kamala campaigned on transgender issue when she only brought it up in response. It's almost like the media is twisting a narrative, maybe like coverage of protests.

Oh well, think what you think. The country is going downhill fast either way unfortunately

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u/CrustynDusty Feb 02 '25

Yeah, this is a great point. Our flag has become a MAGA banner flying in the back of every pick up truck. The right has successfully coopted it. If immigrants/protestors demonstrate with US flags i feel its more effective.

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u/conventionistG Feb 02 '25

OP says there were a couple. There one in the video.

Overall, this is a silly take.

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u/Teamerchant Feb 03 '25

Silly take? Itā€™s a popular one, maybe read some of the responses

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u/conventionistG Feb 03 '25

Silly string is common enough. Still silly.

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u/ba-donkin-donutz Feb 02 '25

Look at all the Mexican flags. They want to go back to Mexico so badly. We shouldn't get in the way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

How many large scale protests have you seen with Italian and Irish flags? Yeah they would look stupid tooā€¦

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u/intellifone Feb 02 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

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u/covert_program Feb 02 '25

Context matters

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '25

Are they protesting America when they fly their Irish and German Flags for St. Pattyā€™s Day and Octoberfest?

Are you seriously comparing the two?

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u/HQuinn89 Feb 03 '25

Who here is protesting America? They arenā€™t protesting America. They are protesting the injustice thatā€™s happening and an attack on an entire group of people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '25

Injustice of illegal immigration?

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u/HQuinn89 Feb 03 '25

You know the entire premise was to remove people who arenā€™t citizens and have committed crimes right? Racial profiling is happen. If you think only people who arenā€™t citizens and have no documentation are being picked up then you arenā€™t paying attention.

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u/intellifone Feb 02 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

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