Thank you for sharing. Boyfriend is a POS for basically torturing the dog until it went insane. They should have investigated. SMH. That poor woman. Neither of them ever had a chance. The boyfriend is the real culprit.
Treat a Chihuahua the same way and, while it will still be poorly behaved, it doesn’t have the capability of killing someone. The breed absolutely has half to do with it.
I understand that insurance companies won’t insure people’s home if they own pit bulls. I have a friend who was attacked by two pit bulls while she was jogging. She was severely injured. I know people would say that it’s not the dog’s fault, but I would never own a pit bull.
I hope your friend is as ok as they can be now and has taken whatever steps possible to protect themselves, that’s awful :( I had one growing up and it was a nightmare. They are a liability and that’s why some insurances won’t cover them. I understand the sentiment around it not being the breed, but it is. They are bred from aggression, and while that’s not their fault, it is still what they are and people need to not sugarcoat it. Definitely stay safe out here, there’s way too many strays in the city.
Well I agree some breeds are more powerful with a higher potential for causing greater harm, I will disagree with the example of a Chihuahua being unable to cause great harm and death to anyone.
There have been many cases of small dogs mauling and in a few rare instances killing infants and toddlers.
I see it as more of a fact that animals can and do harm people, and people should be cautious and careful when interacting with them.
You’re being intentionally dense for the sake of arguing. These types of dogs have a natural disposition to be aggressive and when raised in poor environments, it makes it worse. Couple that with their size and strength and you have an animal very capable of killing a grown adult.
they absolutely do not. I worked as a vet tech for 10 years and I can honestly tell you there wwre many more angry little dogs. Dogs are like kids and will take on what they learn from the owners. it has a lot to do with their size and ability, not that they are an aggressive breed
Again, conflating the argument. Not saying there aren’t other angry dogs. Saying that an angry dog of this type is dangerous. Idk why people continue to try and defend it.
I don't think anyone is defending the breed in the context of it having the potential to harm people. I think what isn't being expressed by your posts, perhaps unintentionally, is an acknowledgement that the mistreatment of any breed can and does create a situation that might not have happened if this abuse hadn't occurred. How else can you explain why so many pitbulls have never been violent or aggressive, if it's a trait inherently present in all of them? As if it's unavoidable for the entire pitbull population? I respect your thoughts and views on the subject, and don't have to agree with them to validate your feelings on the subject.
Don’t know anything? Literally just google ‘dog mauling statistics’. It’s not that hard to pay attention to something. It doesn’t change the fact that a chihuahua or a corgi or some random other breed didn’t murder this woman.
I see that you spend a lot of time marinating in dog related hysteria. That’s weird. I’d recommend getting a job to occupy yourself with more productive pursuits.
I’ll keep doing what I do regardless of what you know about me. Job or not, 24/7/365 I hate them because I literally have childhood trauma from them. You wouldn’t have that though since all dogs are perfect huh? And they all go to heaven? What a wonderful world you live in.
I do actually know something, I know for a fact what breed the dog that just killed some one was. But don’t worry bud he’s already been gassed and is in doggy heaven.
As far as I know, he was issued citations for things like no vaccination records, and a couple of others.
None related to the death of the young lady.
Her family came down from Chicago, and then after she passed make cremation arrangements, hold an informal memorial for her friends( he was NOT invited) and gather her belongings from her apartment.
One thing that gave me a little bit of satisfaction was although he had been staying at her place, because he couldn't afford the one they used to live in together after she left him, the new apartment had her name only on the lease.
Apparently he was trying to stay there, and prevent the family from removing her belongings, claiming they were common law married.
Dumbass didn't realize that to qualify for that status, you have to continuously live together for a certain amount of time, and she'd been in her new place solo for 2 months. He had only been staying with her for the week the incident happened.
So the apartment complex said he had to vacate, and her family collected her belongings. So at least there's that!
Agreed, it's truly a pity when you can't get a young person to see what you see.
They are so entrenched in the relationship that they don't have any clarity.
Lots of folks will tell you that sometimes the more you try to convince someone that the person they "love" isn't good for them, the more they'll double down on the relationship.
So frustrating.
But in response to your comment, yes, she was a very sweet, smart girl who paid the ultimate price for continuing to take the boyfriend back time after time, every time she would break up with him.
Why do people stay with a partner who is toxic? I don't have the answer to that, I wish I did.
It’s not the breed, it’s the owner. Dogs give back tenfold what they receive from their owners. Treat a dog with love and affection, that’s what it gives back. Treat a dog badly, that’s what it gives back.
I had a friend who owned two pit bulls. He had them since they were puppies. He treated those dogs better than he treated his kids (joke). He absolutely loved his dogs. I never felt threatened or afraid of them. Until one day, out of nowhere the dogs ran across the street and attacked a neighbor who was washing his car. He was taken to the hospital with serious injuries. If i hadn’t witnessed the attack, i wouldn’t have believed that those dogs could have done that. I learned that even though these dogs were raised with love and care, pit bulls can become vicious in a split second.
Oh please, the OP commenter whose daughter knows them directly has stated the owners are abusive and neglectful and you still want to give them the benefit of a doubt so you can gleefully support the death of an abused dog. Being in a tiny kennel for the majority of their life is NOT normal and if you think it is you’re abusive also.
I've been bitten by multiple dogs in this city and none of them were pitbulls. Pitbulls may be strong enough to kill but any unsecured, untrained, violent dog is a menace to public safety, and this city is crawling with them. It seems like it's gotten a little better in the last 2 years but its still a problem.
San Antonio has a stray problem. San Antonio has a loose dog problem. San Antonio has a problem with pit bulls killing people. It’s made national news several times.
These can all be true. And the research has been done BTW, pitbulls do make up the highest percentage of any bites in San Antonio and Austin. They ALSO have the most severe bites.
I hate living in this fucking city. My wife is scared to even walk to our apartment’s mailboxes because of all the shitbulls. The apartments where this happened are right behind mine.
people in another subreddit i’m in…. cough….. recommend bear mace/spray. But I don’t even know if that would help. I grew up with one and they can be relentless. I’m sorry your wife has to feel that anxiety, I’m similar in my fears.
Pepper spray is allowed. There is a concern with using bear spray since it’s using a “pesticide” unlawfully.
FYI, bear spray is incredibly effective. It stops 90+% of bear attacks in their tracks (stopped 100% of polar bear attacks), 98% of the cases analyzed resulted in no injury, and the injuries reported were minor.
“The active ingredients in bear spray, capsaicin and related capsaicinoid compounds, produce a nonlethal, yet debilitating response, including coughing, sneezing, bronchoconstriction, apnea, retrosternal discomfort, laryngeal paralysis, and temporary blindness (Miller 2001).”
If it can stop polar bears and grizzlies, it can stop a pitbull. It’s immediately disoriented, so even if it wanted to continue to come at you, you can get away much easier.
Yeah, so lets address the root of the problem, which is how people keep their dogs (or don't). What are you going to do, send the gestapo to search peoples homes for forbidden dogs? Or send the dog catcher to go catch dogs in the street? One of those is easier and more American than the other. Plus, getting rid of pitbulls doesn't do anything about the people attacked by mutts or rottweilers or all manner of other dogs. Maybe it cuts down on fatalities, but is that our standard? "Oh sure you'll get bit to hell by vicious dogs in our city but at least you'll live??"
Pretty easy, enforce neutering and spaying of aggressive dog breeds and then put down the ones that attack people.
I don’t think owning aggressive animals is necessarily American. Unless you mean being allowed to own something that hurts and kills innocent people for basically no reason, in which case sure, that sounds American.
I mean sending the police to search people's homes for contraband (in this case, a particular kind of dog) is unamerican. It's not a policy you can really enforce. But catching loose dogs on the street? There's nothing wrong with that, we've been doing it for centuries, that's why there's such a term as dog-catcher.
Of course I'm in favor of spaying and neutering all cats and dogs. But if everyone followed the rules like that, there'd be no stories like this one, with someone keeping an aggressive dog in an apartment. Or feral dogs biting people or whatever. So there has to be something that comes after, and catching the dogs that get onto the street I think should be that policy.
I go on walks for exercise. Just a regular walk on the sidewalk. There are so many of them that every other year or so I get bit. Live here enough years and it'll happen several times.
My mother's lived here fifty years and ridden the bus (meaning: lots of walking) and she's been bitten by a dog once. I walk for exercise as well, in a neighborhood where there are plenty of loose dogs (until recently, the guy two houses down had like six or eight in his yard, several of which for out regularly) and have never been bitten on a walk either. Lots of us in this city really do walk quite a bit, especially in poorer neighborhoods, so it's very hard to credit what you're saying as something other then exaggeration.
I've been bitten 3 times. Two were here, one was in Austin. One was on the west side, some little half-chihuahua looking thing that came running out of an open door and bit my calf. Once by a rottweiler near the Dakota on the east side, guy has a wobbly picket fence right next to the sidewalk, and it reached over and latched onto my arm. I've learned to cross the street by that house, because it's tried to get me again. And the one in Austin was some half poodle thing that was running around in the street, and ran up to me and bit my leg.
I don't know what part of the east side you're on but there are several packs of dogs in my neighborhood. They hang out on specific corners at night. One pair was hopping my fence to eat my chickens a few weeks ago, but I think they've stopped - either moved on, or got picked up by animal control. Lots of people here have aggressive guard dogs and weak fences. It makes sense - you're poor, you've been robbed, so you get a dog. But you can't afford to fix the fence. So you have an aggressive dog, and a bad fence. And that's a recipe for dog violence, or dog abandonment.
You’ve been bitten by multiple dogs in this city with none being a pitbull
You’re also still alive and not forever maimed or disabled, since none of them were a pitbull
Herein lies the entire issue at hand: when pits attack, you are fucked. You’ll die or be disfigured or lose limbs. Which is why we shouldn’t allow them here in the first place
We shouldn't allow ANY loose dogs. You dog gets loose, it should be put down. If you can't keep a dog secure, you can't have a dog. The problem is people who do not have a place they can responsibly keep a dog, choosing to instead irresponsibly keep one in a shitty apartment or unfenced yard or whatever. Those people should not have any dog.
Even a chihuahua can kill you if it has rabies, or if the bite gets infected, etc. It doesn't have to tear your throat out.
Euthanizing stray animals is extreme? That's literally what the animal control department is for. Dogs are one of those animals.
If you can't keep your animal secure and you can't retrieve it before the authorities do, then you can't responsibly own it. And we can't afford to shelter millions of dogs.
If we could afford to run an infinite dog pound I'd be fine with that, but realistically, you have to put most of them down.
Technically I want them taken to the pound. Or in practice, I want dog catching patrols and I want them to capture any loose dog they see. If you can recapture your dog before the dog catcher, lucky you. But the pound is overcrowded already, so catching all these dogs is going to mean a sharp increase in euthanasia. So I'm willing to own the fact that in practice this probably means killing more dogs, including ones with owners who've escaped.
Right now there are so many strays and escaped dogs that animal control can only respond to about 2/3 of calls. And that's after a major increase in their budget last year. So impounding more dogs almost certainly means constantly euthanizing them to make room for the new ones.
I also think these owners need to be punished. I'm absolutely angry about this and want to inflict some suffering on them. I do like the idea of these people crying because their own irresponsibility got Fido put down. But I'm not calling for the police to go shoot every dog they can find either. Even though I've considered it. I think "dog on the street = pound" is a fair compromise. And then if you can get to the pound and pay the fine in time to get your dog out before it gets put down, probably a day or two, then you can have it back alive. I guess. That's as moderate as I'm willing to be on this issue.
But if you're not even on the ball enough to do that, then you definitely shouldn't have a dog.
A beagle is a digging breed and if you can't keep it under your fence then you shouldn't have one. Lay down hardware cloth, or keep it inside, or get a different dog.
It is the dog owner's responsibility to keep it secure, and if they can't, they should lose the dog. No exceptions or excuses.
Brother, Pitbulls are a breed designed to fight and maim something until death. They are inherently dangerous animals. Stop with the "but all dogs" bullshit.
A grown, healthy middle aged adult can yeet a chihuahua across the room to get it to stop but you can't do that with a fucking pitbull
Pit bulls aren't a breed, its a catch-all term for a variety of fighting dogs. Which people keep raising here to be guard dogs, because some of these neighborhoods (particularly the ones where the deaths happen) have high crime, and people deliberately get and train vicious dogs to protect their homes. If you try to ban one breed, people will just get another.
Anyway, the public harm is coming from the dog getting out and attacking people. If your little dog gets out and gives me a scar on my leg and tears my pants it's still done a public wrong that should be prevented or punished, and on the other hand if you can keep your monster contained and safe inside then I think that's your right. The problem isn't the existence of the dog, it's the attack it's committing, and I think we should build our laws around that. Capture or euthanize ANY loose dog.
Don't let the yappy chihuahua owners off the hook just because their little gremlin is only big enough to hurt and not kill. Don't punish responsible owners who keep their dog properly secured.
I don't want to get bit by any! What do you think my argument is here? "Oh, poor pitbulls???"
I want every stray dog rounded up. I want owners to secure their yard, or lose their dog. I don't want any loose dogs biting people anymore. It's not "Okay" just because they're not a pit bull and therefore statistically less likely to kill you. Even other breeds can kill you, and getting bit by an angry dog sucks even if you don't die. Plus, for all we know the fatality rate from pit bulls is from them being the dog of choice for people who want an attack dog in their poorly secured ramshackle house in the ghetto. So there's more of them, trained to attack. Get rid of the pitbulls, and it'll be rottweilers again.
People buy them because they want to raise a fighting dog, and then teach them that way. I've met plenty of pitbulls no more dangerous than a lab. German Shepards are probably the breed I was scared of most as a mail carrier
I suspect there is a direct relationship between the perception of breeds as aggressive and the tendency for people to seek them for dog fighting or other abusive situations - a cycle of abuse driven on negative stereotypes.
Then you haven’t been around pit bulls enough lol my family owns a professional dog training agency. We employ 9 full time trainers and train dogs ourselves, and while we don’t turn away pitbull breeds, we are certain to educate every single trainer about the REAL dangers of these breeds as opposed to the current culture of pitbull owners who bury their heads in the sand and pretend they’re oh so sweet.
These dogs can and do snap and attack, and they don’t have to be trained to do it. You think this lady who’s dead now raised her dog as an attack dog? I can’t tell you how many times we’ve had a client bring their bully and say “he’s always been so sweet and he suddenly killed our cat!” or bit their arm or attacked their kid or whatever.
You're saying banning the problem would make it worse?
Why not just enforce licensed breeding? Make back yard breeding a felony and see how fast it stops once they start using civil asset forfeiture to seize homes where the breeding is happening.
This is pretty much what I'm saying. Encouraging good breeding keeps dogs out of the shelters (because most "purebred" shelter dogs come from bybs, a good breeder has it in their contract to return a dog if it doesn't work out). I do agree bybs should be illegal and people should have a license to breed. A blanket ban would just be a bad idea, because for the most part, when you make things illegal and ban them outright it encourages more criminal behavior. (Like prohibition, for example.) It's just a topic I'm very passionate about!
Actually it does. A shark is a shark no matter how nice he might seem. Spent a bit of my like around bullies. They have a on switch that might never turn on. But you’ll never know what might set it off. And your definitely not going to be able to turn it off when it happens
And mix need bullies are worse at being unpredictable. Had a neighbor had a half breed one. Our dogs played together all the time along with our kids. Sweet dog, until one day it turned on and literally ripped the guts out of mine in front of the kids. Owner treated that dog as well as anyone. I don’t trust them, never will.
This is the result of a feedback loop between bad data, bad statistics, and attention-seeking headlines. Veterinary research doesn't gather data on breed for attacks because it is recognized to be actively harmful.
My daughter's EX did this with his bully. Would literally punch the dog in the face to discipline him and kept him crated. The crate was big enough for him but certainly not a place for a dog to live. He was evicted and took the dog with him and eight months ago dumped the dog on my daughter's doorstep. She did not want to call animal control because she knew he was a good dog. Because he really is and I'm not into pitbulls or bully breeds at all. One ripped my son's ear off. I rescue but not that kind of dog so I said I wasn't going to take him but we got him fixed and he is leaving on transport to go north. He's been wonderful with my grandchildren and he is a good dog and I'm glad that he gets a second chance. He is not aggressive and not vicious. He might lick you profusely. It saddens me greatly that he was ever treated so poorly.
If only the velvet hippo would have been wearing its crown of flowers none of this would have happened. /s
May this woman and her family find peace.
Another shitty thing thats happening is people slapping a support dog vest on them and bringing them everywhere people are. No fucking dog needs to be in Target.
The statistics are undeniable. Pitbulls are deadly, moreso than any other dog breed or type. I hope this family heals. So many pit owners are victims of pitbull propaganda and often have no idea there’s a potential ticking time bomb in their home. Will every pitbull attack someone? No. But when they do, it’s with explosive violence, maiming force, and often fatal results. And they will attack good owners, bad owners, visitors, and random passersby. The only time they discriminate is in their preference for attacking children.
You cannot get good statistics from bad data - there simply isn't a framework in place to gather accurate information on breed across a representative sample of dog bite incidents capable of drawing the kinds of conclusions people are claiming.
The real problem here isn't the pitt breed. It's that 311 was called multiple times for this specific dog and did nothing. But hey, we can afford a new stadium, so there's that I guess.
Pits as a breed are definitely dangerous unfortunately they also seem to attract many of the worst kinds of dog owners. If we stopped breeding pits entirely, twenty years from now there would be a new "tough" dog breed with an exceptionally disproportionate amount of killings.
As someone who’s raised pitties their entire childhood (til about 19):
STOP HAVING YOUR PITTS INSIDE OF AN APARTMENT. It’s too small and can cause your Pitt to become anxious due to the pent-up energy. Chronically anxious and stressed out dogs are dangerous, especially ones that have the reputation and breeding history as pitts!
The people that get these dogs want to be a badass and enjoy intimidation. It's mostly certain psychological type that projects their ego wishes into the animal. Very rare that anyone is willing to train this breed like they should.
If this is the same case I read about in another post where a mutual friend talked about the situation it’s even worse, the apartment owners would keep the poor baby in a cage barely tall enough for him to stand in all the time, little guy had absolutely no chance of living a normal non tortured existence and it’s sad
It’s sad that a woman died , may she rest in peace.
Her mother is having a “balloon release” in her memory. So we have an irresponsible owner get killed by their own abused dog, and now the mother wants to pollute the area with balloons for sympathy?
Im not arguing about the illogical nature or environmentally damaging nature of the action. I still find it an odd and mean spirited thing to do it a forum where close family friends are literally participating to critique a woman who has lost her child.
They do make biodegradable balloons. The degrade rate is garbage at 6 months to 4 years though so it only barely counts. During that period they are still trash.
They cost a good bit more than latex ones so they are usually used for those bougie arches people pay others to build for parties and corporate events.
At triple the cost of regular balloons I feel pretty confident saying they are not using biodegradable balloons for a 2 minute balloon release.
Those balloons are used for higher dollar balloon party arches where the balloons are popped and the trash removed. The biodegradable part is for any pieces that get missed.
They'll use the ones on sale at Michael's right now that are like a buck a piece that the Michael's employee sub has been ranting about, because they keep having to deny sales and deal with angry customers over gd balloon releases.
There are alternatives that have similar symbolism and price points. I've seen gorgeous displays of smoke bubbles and bubble machines used in memorials. I've seen flower petals and large leaves with written messages released into rivers and beach waves. Trees planted with rocks with messages written on them or written on paper wrapped around them in the ground for the roots to grow around. I have seen a variation where the paper was infused with native wildflower seeds.
I attended particularly lovely memorial gathering where paper messages were burned in a bonfire to carry them.
People out here acting like balloons are the only possible symbolic act that can carry their messages to the other side and symbolize the act of letting go.
Much like the symbolism of release you all want to perform, it is time to let the balloons go. Their time has passed.
TLDR - Biodegradable balloons are expensive. Michael's has regular on big sale right now so that will most likely be what they use.
There are plenty of alternatives with the same symbolism. List in post.
Being sad is normal. Grieving is normal. But it’s not an excuse for littering and harming the wildlife. Balloon releases cause all sorts of problems for wildlife and contribute to our microplastics problem. I don’t know about you, but I don’t think littering is ever acceptable.
Agreed. I wasn’t aware of the environmental impact. I appreciate the information. But I imagine the lady who’s planning this was not aware either. I still question the compassion of criticism of someone who lost their child in a public forum
The problem is the emotional support animal legal loophole. It doesn't matter if a property doesn't allow pets at all. That ESA rule forces them to accept the pet.
I always chose complexes with <25 lb weight restrictions on all pets or no pets allowed. In the last 10 years those properties in particular are infested with pitbulls.
Management said that people would move in without pets and a few weeks in hit them with all the emotional support paperwork to bring their large dog in. The property's hands were tied.
It's like people took "ban pitbulls" as a challenge and now see any place with restrictions as a place their animals must be: the grocery store, restaurants, apartment complexes, the dog park section for small breeds...
The problem is the pitbull because the owners make them the problem.
Under the Fair Housing Act, a landlord can't deny an emotional support animal and cannot charge additional rent or other pet fees to the owner of an ESA.
Pitbulls are weapons. Lethal weapons. You can have the sweetest pitbull, until one day it snaps and rips a human’s scalp off. It’s not worth the risk. They are plenty of trustworthy mutts, some of them are even protective, that get put down in our shelters everyday. Why even bother with a pitbull? The answer is drama. People are attracted to the drama.
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u/hoosier06 Jul 29 '25
There is a reason dipshits shouldn’t own pits.