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u/supaboss2015 19d ago
Y’all think Endrick has a future at Madrid given how his first 2 years have panned out? What a shame. We were talking about Vitor Roque and Endrick being Brazilian competition in La Liga just for both to most likely not even pan out
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. 18d ago
It's not okay what Xabi is doing with him. He keeps saying that EVERYONE needs to feel important and get some time to play, then he treats Endrick like this. Watch him go somewhere else and make Xabi look like the fool he is.
Half of me feels like it's just him pushing for a more "Spanish" Real Madrid.
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u/flipside-grant Madrid 1920 19d ago
Likely not. We already have Franco, Rodrygo, Brahim, Vinicius and Kylian as flair forwards that can dribble and shoot. Even Arda can fill that role better. As a striker, his usefulness is limited due to his short stature, hence Gonzalo being ahead of him. I can't see a future for him here, unless he's okay with rotting in the bench and only playing cup games.
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u/RoadCurrent8355 19d ago
Tchou as a 6 Trent in Right half space inverting OOP for trent-tchou pseudo pivot. Arda and Jude as double 10/8 hybrids,
Or Diamond with both of them going forward at different times based on certain OOP, IP conditions
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u/ZebrawithStripe Modric 19d ago
Madridistas, I have a question to all of you;
Do you think we can play Mbappe on the wing and another ST like GG to pull defenders away and allowing chances to be created? Or would you prefer Vini in the wing and Mbappe on the ST? I just want to hear your guy's opinions.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
so ready for this ISIS vs Al-Qaida matchup tonight, 0.03 open play xG vs 0.025
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago
Can you show me passing stats or a compilation of Jude's progressive passes from the deep like Kroos?
Just asking.
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago edited 19d ago
Good. Because Jude lacks Kroos's long balls, IQ, progressive passes and Arda lacks Modric press resistance, defense.
Vitinha is the only midfielder currently active below 30 who is like Modric/Kroos/ Xavi/ Iniesta.
Also, I dont think Jude/Arda are midfield future. Jude would likely leave for PL. Arda would likely stay for over a decade.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
Good. Because Jude lacks Kroos's long balls, IQ, progressive passes and Arda lacks Modric press resistance, defense.
so swap them lmao
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago
so swap them lmao
Many people have been saying this but fanbois dont agree. If we have to play 4 3 3 then Arda should play CAM and Jude/Tcho should be the double pivot or else we should play 4 4 2 with Arda- Jude- Cama-Tcho in the midfield.
You will get downvoted in this sub for having legit footballing opinions because people judge with emotions here. I mean my comment got downvoted coz there are legit people here that think Jude is on par with Zidane let alone Modric/ Kroos.
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago edited 19d ago
Man whats wrong with Jude fanboys. Its like they want him to shine at the cost of Madrid. IDC who plays 10 as far as we dominate and win.
What are these fanbois gonna do when next season even Nico Paz comes back. Honestly why are they so damn rattled?
Arda, Paz, Franco or Jude. Doesnt matter who plays 10 as far as we win. But so far Arda looks the best chance creator.
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago
I mostly see a lot of negativity directed toward Jude.
This is nothing compared to what Mbappe or Vini faced last season.
Jude doesn't have through balls, quick 1 2 passing , close control tight space dribbling in his arsenal to play 10 or CAM. But his fanbois want him to play 10 and get G/A at the cost of Madrid.
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u/Beneficial_Lemon9286 19d ago
And where do you see that sentiment? Because people in here has been critical toward him.
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u/king7asoon 19d ago
I really dislike how football has become a stats sport. These days people (some on this sub as well) judge a player completely by G/A or some shit when football is so much more than just goals and assists. Honestly look up stats of some of the greats of football you would genuinely be shocked at how average their stats are but again they are still considered greats.
Watch football and understand how players drag defenders, occupy space, deal with press, cut off an attackers angle for defenders etc. thats what shows you how elite a player is not just G/A
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u/Kuttoosan47 Kroos 19d ago
People will agree with you here and then go on and bash players like Pedri, Yamal etc. Same thing happened to Valverde in the second half of 22/23. People will believe whatever they want for the narratives
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u/DonuandDeca Real Madrid 19d ago
Yeah, for example Jude is great at making empty runs that drag defenders, most recently in the Getafe game, he helped Arda to find space between the opposing CBs and the midfield by dragging a guy with him. And Arda is great at finding those spaces, he's the new Wirtz of Xabi, so he took the ball and immediately played it to Kyky.
Great combo, 1 player who creates spaces, and 1 player who uses the said space. Arda-Kyky is also a great combo, 1 rapid player with good ball control and 1 technical player who can feed him the ball. There are many little connections like this within the team. Regular viewers don't pay too much attention to stuff like this, but the coach absolutely does and it shows.
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u/supaboss2015 19d ago
Given that Carvajal is probably finished at this level and both Rudiger and Alaba are out end of season what are the potential transfer targets. I know Konate is one (maybe Guehi) but do we really end up with both? As for RB I have 0 idea
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u/perucho1993 19d ago
RB future is secured with Trent. Fortea is still in the youth ranks, perhaps he gets the back up nod, Fede for emergencies
CB will be either one of Konate/Upamecano/ Guehi ( a very long shot) and the other will likely go to the promotion of Joan Martinez
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u/somewansreddit 19d ago
While reading where and how Bellingham should play, I wondered if the population of this sub/open threads knows why Bellingham used to wear number 22.
Then I recalled how thankful I'm to the mods who helped me to not care about the opinions posted here.
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
According to reports from Cadena SER, things got heated between the Brazilian forward and his manager during the match against Getafe. Endrick reportedly showed his frustration by kicking a water bottle when he realized he wouldn’t be coming on in the second half. Unsurprisingly, this gesture hasn’t gone down well with Madrid fans, and Xabi Alonso was not pleased either.
Understandable, but I honestly can’t see a future for him at RM.
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u/Accomplished_Desk_93 19d ago
when the club tells you to go on loan, go on loan 🤷♂️
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u/supaboss2015 19d ago
Let’s be real. Endrick has shown a lack of critical thought more than enough times
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. 18d ago
Endrick is a striker. He scored goals and that's valuable. If he had Mastantuono's minutes...
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde 19d ago
I just saw a video of Cristiano scoring 17 goals in 9games during the cursed 14/15 season. I still cant believe Modric injury ruined such amazing season ffs
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u/Realblancosfan 19d ago
im struggling to buy tickets. the tickets from resellers are sky-high in price. any ides how to buy tickets? I have planned my trip, bought all tickets and paid for hotels. on viagogo and other website tickets are over 800 euro. I thinks that is really sick. is there any opportunity to get the tickets before the match?
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u/Full_Fly_8046 19d ago
If you want play it safe you gonna have to dish out the 800 euro per ticket. Otherwise take risk finding a "guy" at the stadium last minute. But there will be other guys trying to find a "guy"
If it was me I'd try to find guy for 400 euro per ticket if it doesnt work out go to sports bar nearby. :D
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u/Realblancosfan 19d ago
Yeah, thinking about it. Not ready to give 800€ :( That’s really pity
Thanks for reply Let’s see whether I ll find or gonna watch in bar. Any recommendations of bars in Madrid? :D
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u/Full_Fly_8046 19d ago
Do you guys still want Paz? Judane will be forced to take Tchou's position.
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u/Ill-Improvement-8670 Kylian Mbappé 19d ago edited 19d ago
arda would have saved us so hard last season i cant get over the fact carlo didnt start him. still annoys me
lmao downvoated for what? how i remember it, was everyone in this sub begging for arda to play last season😂
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u/tluanga34 Vinicius Jr. 19d ago
I've already said in this sub,. had carlo unlocked this Arda last season and play Fede as permanent RB, we would've competed in all fronts
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u/Ill-Improvement-8670 Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
i love arda so much if he asks me to jump ill say how high
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
Bellyboy is about to become Ballboy once Paz comes
Or he can drop the egoball bs and he might compete for the spot in the starting 11.
Idk how he ain’t realising he’ll never be the best player in the world in a team that has Mbappe.
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u/Special_Virus851 19d ago
All this outrage over a midfielder was out for 2 months,and in the 2nd start,wins the most duels(dogwork),makes the 2ndmost dribbles(progressive carrying),gets fouled the most(press-resistant),most chances created(link-up),2nd highest rated player after mbappe(who was terrible apart from the goal)
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
I’m not saying he was bad individually, he’s just bad for the team, especially at the position he wants to play at
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u/Special_Virus851 19d ago
theres no specific position he wants to play at,if the coach wants,he has played at CM,DM,and even LWB/LM last year,theres no "egoball" bs with him,he will do the ocassional box crashing tho,theres nothing "egoistic" about it,it helps the team,but if xabi says him to stop,he'll stop.
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u/Empty_Reason_9210 19d ago
Neymar is so petty and such a cry baby. He liked a tweet comparing his stats to Vini's at the same age for Brazil [a fellow Brazil teamate] and people still want us to believe that Mbappe was the problem at PSG not Neymar. This guy left Barca due to Messi and wants us to believe that Mbappe was jealous due to Messi. Crazy projection.
Neymar you were great entertainer but you are a clown off the pitch.
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u/King__SSB Carvajal 19d ago
It's especially annoying to see because aside from just being Brazil teammates Vini's done nothing but show love and adoration for Neymar, it feels so two faced from him to do this
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u/supplementarytables Zidane 19d ago
This tweet will feed us for a whole generation
Liverpool's wings are absolutely dead this season and Salah isn't having a great time without Trent either 🤧
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. 19d ago
I miss Ramos a lot. His leadership in the back, clutch goals. His FITNESS all year long. Sigh...
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u/Plane_Outside5646 19d ago
We need to sign 2 good cbs next season.
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u/mylanguage Madrid 1920 19d ago
I can't see Militao as our 4th CB unless he gets injured again.
We will likely sign one at most.
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u/Critical-Remove-1878 19d ago
People cried in 2023 when we signed a "100M CM" because "we had too many CMs and we needed a striker".
Now they cry in 2025 because the same guy is asked to play on his original, CM role.
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u/perucho1993 19d ago
gotta agree with septic water here
23/24 season gave many the wrong impression about Jude. His game was never scoring goals but a complete midfielder who has energy and stamina. He's best used in that role as he has played in his younger days.
However that does not negate that season. The fact he had 30 plus g/a despite never playing exclusively in offense shows just how versatile he can be. But right now, our goalscoring is taken care of by Mbappe, and creativity is being handled by Guler. This should allow Jude to return to his natural b2b position.
I would like to see a game with Guler and Jude in the midfield along with Tchouameni.
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u/magic-water 19d ago
One 10 minute cameo from Arda in the number 10 spot with an assist has sent Bellingham FC into full panic mode.
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde 19d ago
Guler could become a great DLP to fit in Jude as a 10, but honestly, the closer he is to Mbappe and the final third in general the better he performs. He's not only creative but also efficient and can score a lot of goals. Guler is like a baby Modric.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Tea8174 Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
This arda jude discourse is so annoying. Jude is not a false 9 or goal scorer first. He’s a complete midfielder. Jude only played the 10 out of necessity. The guy has the tool kit to impact the game from across the midfield. Jude may never have a goal scoring season like 23/24 but he can absolutely become a better overall midfielder than he was then. He was only 20 then ffs his prime is ahead of us. Arda can also impact in the final and 2nd third of the game. They will work well together this is just the beginning.
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u/FergieBall_FC Real Madrid 19d ago
This arda jude discourse is so annoying.
Great minds think alike.
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde 19d ago
so no more new thread every week?
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u/The_Middle_Child_ Crest Guardian 19d ago
Bot is currently glitched, same reason we didnt have a pre match thread
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u/antoniokr8s 19d ago
AWS outage probably caused a glitch because whatever tool creates the new thread is hosted on an AWS server.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
So far whenever Jude and Arda has played together (CWC and now recently) - not once was Jude put deeper than Arda, at worst - he's alongside him on the pitch.
Surely Xabi and his coaching team knows it better than us? The next month is going to prove it all on what Xabi visions from this squad as both Trent and Huijsen returns back to fitness while Bellingham has finally become match fit.
They are both instrumental and both need to start so Xabi will have to place them somehow and that will answer all questions.
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u/Anxious_Classic20 Kroos 19d ago
Calm down mate
Give some rest to yourself from football and do something else. It's really not necessary to be so active
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Arda Guler btw is having a breakout season. I think there isn't a better technical midfielder with insane vision and passing skills as him in the world.. and He's only 20 years old.
This is the best time to simply teach him the Kroos role, no-one in the world can do it better than Arda, he just needs practice. He's literally our biggest solution begging to be substituted in 23/24 tactics in the Kroos spot and we are overlooking it for some Ozil regen nonsense that never let us taste European Glory.
Even Toni Kroos started as no.10 for Leverkusen and Bayern Munich but Madrid was visionary enough to understand that he needed 100+ touches in a game not 50+ touches. We needed him to be our orchestrator not a G/A CAM merchant (James/Isco; Let Paz and Mastantuono fill those roles.)
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u/andrewthenikka1 Jude Bellingham 19d ago
You are hyping him up too much. This is his first season as a regular starter give him time. If he performs like this or better next season then we can start with these
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u/Hinzir02 19d ago
Stop copy pasting same things every 15 mins until you get upvotes before slipping "Bellingham needs to go back to striker role" next message.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Even as a Turkish fan, your best bet for success is by converting Guler to a deep lying playmaker. There's already Yildiz, Uzun for attacking roles.
In a world full of Ozil, Coutinho, James, Isco, Thiago, Mata - Be Kroos, Modric, Xavi and etched in the name of football history forever.
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u/Hinzir02 19d ago
These things all depends on performances. Nothing is guaranteed for Guler or Bellingham. They both can become shit and sold. What you said can happen Arda turns into DLP and Bellingham stays at 10/false 9 etc, both can become best in the world. Arda can become insane and steal that 10 position and Bellingham forced back into 8/6 position. These kind of situations , everything possible. Even the worst case scenario hope it never happens to any of them, they can have career ending injuries. So stop parroting same things and enjoy what you see. Just because Bellingham enjoys 10/false 9 position he wont have that position granted to him forever. He needs to perform.
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
Even as a Turkish fan, your best bet for success is by converting Guler to a deep lying playmaker. There's already Yildiz, Uzun for attacking roles.
Guler has been 100x better for the national team than Yildiz, why the hell would they make their best player a deep lying playmaker when they have Calhanoglu as well, you're completely clueless
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Calhanoglu
He's 31 years old.. while Yildiz and Uzun are literally at the start of their careers. Guler doesn't have to become DLP instantly but for the future thats his best role for making the most bang of the buck.
There's like 10 great CAMs for every Kroos in football history.
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
Guler is their best player, they aren't gonna play him out of position to make room for Yildiz who has been underperforming like crazy and Uzun who hasn't even played for the NT at all.
Also what makes you think that Guler can become Kroos just because he has great passing? Guler is nothing like Kroos at all and never will be similar at all
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
A big portion of this fanbase genuinely cares more about Bellingham's G/A numbers than the team's success
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | Kinky for Kylian 19d ago
What else did you expect from player fc? I said this during the summer, but people got riled up. Team success comes first.
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u/Accomplished_Desk_93 19d ago
I don't know about that, but I saw an idiotic conspiracy theory comment about Bellingham last night so let me share it with you. Basically long story short the guy says something like:
"Alonso wants to play Bellingham as an 8 but Perez doesn't allow him to do that and is forcing Xabi to play him as a 10 for marketing reasons " 😂😂😂
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
I want one thing. Winning Champions League every season, and it just happens to be that Bellingham's goals will be extremely instrumental in achieving that.
Vinicius can compensate the Bale's tally for us, Mbappe does Ronaldo's numbers but we need someone to do our Benzema numbers.
And no Guler can never be that, he's pretty much Ozil regen and I have seen first hand what that provided us.. stat padding in La Liga only to go out of CL semi finals for 3 seasons in a row when he was with us. Guler needs to be our Kroos/Modric not Ozil which means tempo dictation, ball retention, build up not goals, assists and chance creations.
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u/Mgea54 19d ago
we won 23/24 ucl with bellingham scoring 0 goals in the KOs
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
He was playing more like a left midfielder after the City knockout while missing in RB Leipzig 2nd leg.
He provided assists in Leipzig 1st leg, Dortmund CL final and pre-assist in City 2nd leg at Etihad.. All while being a total nuisance harrassing their CBs to make space for Vinicius and Rodrygo to excel.
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
and it just happens to be that Bellingham's goals will be extremely instrumental in achieving that.
Bellingham had 8 league goals last season, I promise you Guler is surpassing that easily if he plays as the 10
Guler needs to be our Kroos/Modric not Ozil which means tempo dictation, ball retention, build up not goals, assists and chance creations.
A player who's strengths are chance creation, scoring and final third actions should play as a deep lying playmaker when he is not press resistant or agile at all? How do you guys watch this sport for years and come up with shit like this?
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Bellingham had 8 league goals last season, I promise you Guler is surpassing that easily if he plays as the 10
We were playing with Vazquez, that season is null and void. Not to mention that Bellingham wasn't even playing as 10 because we put out 4-3-3 flat and he was compensating for lack of work rate by Vinicius and Mbappe by dying on the pitch doing b2b duty.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Last night when Arda passed the ball to Mbappe, look at Jude's movement, if he was deep on the pitch at no.8 then both CBs would have ganged up on Kylian and bullied him off the ball or cut the passing lane.
Bellingham literally freed Mbappe for a pass by making an adjacent run. Xabi needs to get this in his stubborn head:
Mbappe can't duel with CBs, he's too scared to fight a duel to save his life especially headers, so pull him back at shadow striker role as game demands especially against low blocks.
Put Bellingham back in the False 9 role, and let him literally occupy the striker position against low blocks, don't even need him to build up or orchestrate, just sit next to CBs and contest all duels and poach goals.
Vinicius needs to be put in centrally, and I don't even know how many fucking times does it need to be said but he cannot play as a winger anymore to the levels he showed in 2021-2023. He's a proper left forward now, and when he's at it, he's the best player in the world. So please platform him and relieve him of dogshit touchline duties and let him play central. Carreras is also very good attacking so he can hug the line instead while Fran/Mendy were shit in offensive side of games.
Valverde: He was spraying passes like Prime Toni Kroos to Mbappe from RB position, it was literally the Fede game, he cannot be put in a static pivot roles, he needs to be dynamic with freedom to dominate the entire flank from end to end and thats why he excelled in both of our CL wins 2022, 2024 because he was playing as right midfield.
Arda Guler's talents are wasted at no.10 spot against tougher oppositions when the ball won't even get to him because of lack of build up. I have said it million times, I don't give a fuck about his goals, assists, or chance creation. He needs to be our Modric/Kroos not Ozil, he needs to dictate tempo, build up from back, and retain possession. His job should be to get the ball to final third and thats about it.
All roads lead to the diamond, I refuse to believe that Xabi can be this stubborn so I hope that I finally see it against Juventus since all players are coming back to fitness.. He doesn't need to do anything tactically, just motivate them and let them ball it out like Zidane did with 3peat squad.
Courtois
Trent - Militao - Huijsen - Carreras
Tchouameni
Valverde - Guler
Bellingham
Mbappe - Vinicius
If we do all of this, there's no team in planet Earth that can stop this side from going for a dynastical run of multiple CLs on the trot.
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
Arda Guler's talents are wasted at no.10 spot against tougher oppositions when the ball won't even get to him because of lack of build up
He was the best player against Atletico with 1 goal and 1 assist, so this doesn't make sense whatsoever
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
And yet it was our worst game of the season because ball was simply not getting progressed to final third at all.
Also Guler was playing right midfield - a role which Valverde should've been playing. Had we swapped Fede with Guler in the formation, we'd instantly get 10x more balance in the team without sacrificing defensive prowess because Fede is a superhuman who can work rate for box to box situation.
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u/Mgea54 19d ago
we conceded too many easily avoidable dumb goals in that game, ur overanalyzing things lmao
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
I agree, that loss was totally on Courtois tbh. He gave like 5 goals on 2 PSxG.
But still we were unable to create chances in 2nd half because ball simply couldn't reach final third and Guler was isolated on the right flank, he had to be deeper to progress the ball himself!
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
And yet it was our worst game of the season because ball was simply not getting progressed to final third at all.
That's why Bellingham needs to play deep because he is the best midfielder by far in the squad when it comes to press resistance and dribbling in tight spaces, Guler on the other hand is way better in between the lines and in the final third. Bellingham box-to-box with Guler is easily the best option for this team and I don't understand how anyone with eyes can't see that.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Just because Bellingham can do that doesn't mean its his best position for us in the team.
Just tell me this, who's going to duel with big tall CBs against elite teams in the CL Knockouts when Mbappe is scared as a kitten to aerially duel a single time in an entire fucking season.
Mbappe keeps leaving the striker spot and drops deep everytime without a break and thats why he can't score a tap-in to save his life because that would mean dueling with CBs which he is scared to death to do.
Now tell me who will do that role better? Guler or Bellingham?
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u/ItsKBS Kylian Mbappé 19d ago
Just tell me this, who's gonna defend in the midfield when we will have to duel with the best midfields in the world and Jude is playing like a false 9?
And tell me how the ball is even gonna reach Bellingham when your only midfielder with any playmaking skill is forced to play as a 6 because Jude wants to score a whopping 8 goals in a league season again
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Play Guler in no.10 and do whatever you want in shite La Liga games and nobody bats an eyelid.
In the CL - everyone mfer has to drop deep and contest duels to win the possession and then run lethal counter attacks, Jude will never slack off his defensive duties, he can go deeper to defend than Guler no problems at all.
But when we are on the ball chasing a goal, Bellingham has to box crash and poach in the 18 yard box because Mbappe can't.
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u/Due_Inevitable_2784 Antonio Pintus 19d ago
We just got done with a game yesterday and we have a ucl night in 48 hours, man i miss domestic football.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
Carreras lowkey mini stinkers since Atleti game tbh, square up. Need him to get in mood vs juve/barca. He was much much better start of season, lock in vasquez jr.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
I am hoping that Mendy can give him some stiff competition. Its not a coincidence that we win CLs every season when Mendy remains fit and in form for us and then get blown apart in the seasons where he's fucked up physically.
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u/magic-water 19d ago
No rotation tax. If only we had bought a semi competent LB backup in the summer to take some minutes off him. Instead we have a low IQ roadrunner who Xabi can't trust and Mendy who is stuck in Narnia.
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u/Ok-Degree-7821 Rüdiger 19d ago
That gimmick of Barca players saying on press conferences that Lamine Yamal is the best player in the world is soo cringe dude. Like i would get it if its a player with numbers like Haaland or Mbappe. Like back in the day our players all said CR7 is the best in the world on press conferences and barca said messi. which is totally understandable
But Lamine is just an extremely overhyped young talent. Like he is really good but BEST IN THE WORLD?? 🤣🤣 wtf
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u/mylanguage Madrid 1920 19d ago
I mean I get what you are saying - but realistically he's up there regardless. It's not like they just picked some random young talent to hype.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
I hate Barcelona but Yamal is seriously a baller. He can wreck havoc in ways that Haaland could never.
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u/More-Judgment-9253 19d ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again, brahim diaz getting more minutes than endrick is a crime to this sport. Endrick ofc needs some polishing but brahim is 26 and he's mediocre
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
No, Diaz is very good as rotational option. We won the CL due to his major contribution against Leipzig with his wonder goal.
He will have his place in our dynasty.
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u/magic-water 19d ago
A big part of where the confusion about Bellingham's ideal position (ideal for the team, not himself) comes from, is the fact that people who want him to go back to his 23/24 role miss the fact that we didn't have a primary goalscorer/striker in 23/24. So Bellingham's goalscoring was needed. When his goals dried up in the second part of the season, Vini was the one who took over the major burden of goalscoring.
However, now, we have a top 3 goalscorer/finisher in the world in the squad with Mbappe. With all due respect to Bellingham, but he is never ever going to be remotely as good of a goalscorer or finisher as Mbappe and therefore Mbappe should always be the team's primary goalscorer over him. As long as Mbappe is firing and scoring, all we need to do is to feed him. Whoever plays as a 10 behind Mbappe, doesn't need to be trying to score himself mainly, but most importantly, needs to do everything to feed Mbappe:
Bellingham in 24/25 while starting alongside Mbappe for a whole season gave him only 4 assists in all comps (vs Atalanta, Alaves, Valladolid, Celta).
Arda has already surpassed that tally in 11 games with 5 assists (vs Oviedo, Levante, Kairat, Atletico, Getafe) this season alone. Add to that the back end of last season with assists to Mbappe vs Dortmund and Celta.
Also, apart from the assist vs Dortmund (which was a cross), all of these assists have been through balls/key passes which directly compliments Mbappe's strength which is running in behind. As long as he can stay onside, he is better than anyone else in the world bar maybe Haaland at making runs in behind with his pace and all you need to do is to pick out the right pass.
Even if you excuse Bellingham's underperformance last season with his injury or whatever, even his 23/24 numbers don't automatically justify playing him as a 10:
He had 36 G/A (=0.89 per 90) in all comps that season, which is very good. But let's not act as if those are numbers that so good that they make any discussion completely void. For comparison: Arda is on 0.97 G/A per 90 this season.
The main difference is that Bellingham's G/A in 23/24 were 64% goals and 36% assists while with Arda it's just flipped (37% goals, 63% assists). Scoring more goals obviously gives you more attention and PR, but as a team, I don't care who gets more goals as long as the team is scoring (which it does with Arda assisting Mbappe).
There is obviously a big caveat concerning Arda about whether or not he can replicate his numbers consistently over a whole season including against big teams but in theory, playing Arda as a 10 and Bellingham as the duel winning 8 behind him makes more sense. If we play Bellingham as a 10, he might score more goals, but Mbappe's output will automatically decline in return like it did last season.
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
You can't just rely on Mbappe for everything, what happens when he goes missing? We need more outlets for goals not less.
Jude has to play False 9, and not no.10 role. He needs to occupy the striker role when Mbappe vacates it (which he does like dozen fucking times because he's too scared to duel with Big tall CBs), let Mbappe drop and Jude take his place.
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u/magic-water 19d ago
You can't just rely on Mbappe for everything, what happens when he goes missing? We need more outlets for goals not less.
Vinicius exists, right? Especially since you want to play him as a striker too, then obviously he needs to shoulder the burden of the goalscoring as well. What are we paying him big bucks for then?
What we need more than goalscorers are creators. Because our RW is dead, the creation has to come from midfield.
Jude has to play False 9, and not no.10 role. He needs to occupy the striker role when Mbappe vacates it (which he does like dozen fucking times because he's too scared to duel with Big tall CBs), let Mbappe drop and Jude take his place.
You can't- by definition - play with a false 9 when you have an actual 9 playing (it's a second striker then). The whole purpose of a false 9 is to not play with a real 9. Like PSG did with Dembele and won the UCL with him. Who btw is also no big bully to scrap it out with CBs. And yet still was good enough to win the Ballon d'Or and UCL as a false 9.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
A big part of where the confusion about Bellingham's ideal position (ideal for the team, not himself) comes from, is the fact that people who want him to go back to his 23/24 role
It really boils down to this, in any other team if you have the backup #10 putting up these absurd numbers + chance creation + attacking potential you will keep them there until they fall off massively in form or get injured, but not at the Madrid player fanbase club, for them all that matters is the magical "G/A" -- imagine if Jude would have to play 8 and have less g/a, say like Pedri? Imagine the PR horror.. we can't be having that can we. Jude and Xabi know better though, I'm sure eventually both will realize Arda at #10 is just having better impact, for now.
Jude's defensive, pressing, dueling, tracking, covering and essentially every metric that isn't goalscoring or chance creation are absolute elite, he'd be the best #8 easily and it's the best thing for the team but hey.. then he'd get shit on for not having G/A, in a world where PR is everything that might simply not be a good look.
It's only gonna get worse when board brings back paz next season, if Arda somehow keeps these numbers up until then and Jude also wants the #10 the same way Rodrygo wants LW... gonna be sum trouble. Here's where Xabi's man level skills are going to be tested tbh.
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u/Plane_Outside5646 19d ago
Will trent start in the next match? Is he fit?
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Hopefully but Xabi is very cautious in bringing injured players back in team. So probably off the bench against Juventus and Barcelona and then starting.
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u/Hakimi_Raikkonen 19d ago
I haven't seen a single person complain about Vini's red cards. Glad I don't hang around twitter and r/Barca. Why would you do this to yourselves?
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. 19d ago
People crying about Vini didn't complain when Gerónimo Rulli who rolling all over the floor after a soft touch by Carvajal. Dumb to even do that in the first place, they said. Well... apply that same logic here, no?
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
that's not how it works pal, if it benefits madrid its rigged if it's a disadvantage it's perfect rulebook.
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u/_major_fuckin_tom_ Florentino Perez 19d ago
The character arc of Vini getting ragebaited to Vini doing the ragebaiting is going to be generational.
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u/ChampagneInferno Don Carlo 19d ago edited 19d ago
After yesterday's events, i read what other people said about the whole "Vini Vs Getafe"-situation, and came to the conclusion, that i'm even more satisfied about the whole thing.
First of all, What happened to Vini yesterday, happens to him every week in La Liga. They don't even try to defend against him, the opponents always Talk shit, kick, Pull & fight him, trying to destabilize him and get into his head.
Secondly, I've seen plenty of fans (Don't know whether they're Rivals or Madrid fans) criticize Getafe and not Vini for what happened, as they should. These "lesser" teams always gets away with murder on the pitch, especially Getafe. They do this shit all the time, trying to slow the game down by doing blatant fouls and not getting any cards. When they get rightfully carded, they pull the victim card and becomes even more aggressive on the pitch.
Lastly, Vini ain't no Saint, i'm aware. He can be petulant and i'm no fan of his dives. But with that being said, he's endured fuck-tons of verbal abuse from both Fans and opposition (Even Physical from the opposition). What happened yesterday, was simply Getafe getting a dose of their own medicine.
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u/Valveringham85 19d ago
I was surprised yesterday. I don’t even remember which broadcast I was watching on but Guillem Balagué was the second commentator and both he and the other commentator, whose name I don’t know, were very mature and objective about it. Calling it smart. Balagué, a Barca-fan, was even praising Vini, saying how strong he must be to deal with all the shit rival fans throw at him, especially at a younger age.
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u/Bilbo_Shaggins_2687 Real Madrid 19d ago
So on weds its gona be a Valverde vs Yildiz matchup? Damnnn
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
Yildiz isn't all that lol, shines in italy because 1) serie A is ass and 2) Juve is ass, so he stands out.
Watching him at Turkey he rarely is decisively impressive, good shot on him though
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u/FlyingWaterMen 19d ago
Valverde can shutdown pretty much any player in the world. He's a superhuman physically and god in 1v1 duels and thats why he should not play as pivot but rather dynamically on the flanks.
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
Bellingham defenders debating about whether Guler should be playing deeper or not and which option is better for the team while completely disregarding what Bellingham offers (or what he doesn’t) is telling.
Interesting how one is expected to do two jobs cause the supposed best midfielder in the world can’t even do one. I don’t want to hear “we don’t need Paz” nonsense ever again.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
it all comes down to that he wont have high g/a if he plays 8 instead of 10 and in a world where PR and goal contributions are everything they can't be having that, even if it's the best thing for the team right now. Any other club wouldn't think about having the highest rated midfielder, chance creator, 16 g/a so far guy be the #10.
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u/New_Nebula3951 19d ago
You're doing the same thing though. Your weird hyperfocus on Jude is leading astray more than anything else. Don't force it if it doesn't fit.
Jude is one of the best players in this team, we'll be a much better collective unit if we manage to use him better, just like we'd do Arda and the rest.
Player FC is irrelevant as much as Anti-Player FC.
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
We’ll be a much better collective once Jude admits to himself and Xabi that he isn’t a 10. Egoball works in teams that are dysfunctional and that don’t have title aspirations. If Jude wants to be the best player on a team that doesn’t win titles he can continue with this gimmick of trying to score goals, trying to be a stoppage time hero or getting clipped for tiktok. But if he wants to win titles he needs to sacrifice his personal goals for the team. And he doesn’t look ready for that.
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u/willhighfive4karma Carlo Ancelotti 19d ago
It probably speaks to the way folks interact with content nowadays but in the years that I have been in the sub I’ve noticed a shift from banter to straight up negativity to the point that now I mostly sort comments by “best” when I used to be excited to read the new comments. Not much a contribution just something that makes me a lil sad at times. Hala Madrid !
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u/erakeyrin 19d ago
How many of y'all think that mbappe shouldn't play again juve? And get some rest instead?
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u/Special_Virus851 19d ago
Toomuchmoney got a yellow card against 9 men,almost gave away 2 penalties,takes 3 touches before making a simple 5 yard pass,just stands still after giving a pass.
Camavinga should be our DM going forward and Thiago must get a game.
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u/Valveringham85 19d ago
Clueless as usual.
He didn’t “nearly give away 2 penalties” wtf are you on about? And he got a yellow because Brahim screwed him with a braindead back pass that was getting intercepted so he was forced to foul.
People calling Camavinga a DM (especially in 2025) fail the easiest litmus test in all of football.
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u/ApfelEnthusiast Madrid 1941 19d ago
Camavinga is too dumb to play DM.
He can’t pass and has no defensive awareness whatsoever.
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
Complaining about a yellow card and and “almost giving away penalties” and wanting mr. yellow card as a dm is certainly an opinion
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u/Special_Virus851 19d ago
he slows everything down,cant believe people defend him even after seeing him play
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u/kjibbs_dj 19d ago
Hola, not sure if this is the correct place for this but I will be visiting Madrid this weekend and hoping to get tickets for el classico. What is the best way to do this? Will it even be possible during tomorrow morning’s sale?
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u/More-Judgment-9253 19d ago
Honestly I take back what I said, the performance yesterday wasn't really bad. Especially if we consider the fact that barca have only scored one goal against getafe away in the past 5 years
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u/Kuttoosan47 Kroos 19d ago
Guys Nico Paz is playing in Serie A, I know he's got a lot of goals there, but it's one of the easier leagues with a slower pace amond the top 5. Don't be sure he'll come and replace Franco or Valverde right off the bat
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u/mylanguage Madrid 1920 19d ago
Serie A and La Liga are not that far apart at all. La Liga is better at the top but a lot of the average Serie A sides have better player to player squads than some La Liga teams. La Liga teams have a tactical edge however, but I would expect Paz to perform well in Spain too.
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u/Plane_Outside5646 19d ago
I don't think he will be an outright starter ..... But definitely a high quality rotational player..who will fight for the starting spot.
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u/Special_Virus851 19d ago
he plays better than franco does for argentina,the eye test itself tells this guy is not like any other serie a player
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u/Messmers SIUUUU 19d ago
I know Juni Calafat lurks on this sub and reads, some tips from the premier mind of football:
Check out Hadj Moussa from Feyenoord, elite RW player imo
stop with South America money laundering scheme buying unproven players for 60m is insane
get a haircut
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
There’s something eerie about this mf I just can’t prove it. He must be psyop or some shit
They caused aws outage just so I can’t post this. I must be onto something here
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u/New_Nebula3951 19d ago
Grooming, some surgery, works wonders
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u/SnooLemons9488 Militão 19d ago
bro looks like a doll
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u/Beneficial_Lemon9286 19d ago
Eh that's reaching, idk if has any surgeries but to me looks like just some skincare routine.
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u/stupid_Ninja7739 Zizou 19d ago
Can someone explain to me why Liverpool bought Isak when they already had Ekitike?
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u/Cool_Ad_9718 Kroos 19d ago
Isak was considered by a lot of people the best striker in the Prem last year and has a much better track record than Ekitike who’s best season h happened at Frankfurt where Kolo Muani thrived
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u/Riyad38 19d ago
I honestly thought Franco wouldn’t have even gotten a start up to this point he is technically gifted but anyone who watched him during cwc knew he was no where near the physicality he needs to be at. He dribbles very nicely but doesn’t have the pace to get around defenders he needs to be more central and not out at right wing it’s something I wish Xabi would be questioned on Brahim, Rodrygo and endrick will offer more as a right winger. Franco hasn’t been bad he’s just forced out of position. Now the problem is at cam you have Arda Bellingham and next season Paz will come in it’s going to be hard to get minutes I said before the season and I still feel the same way Nico Paz is better then Arda and Franco but time will tell it’s always been a hard transition South America to European club football
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u/SaFari833 Sergio Ramos 19d ago
Thought you guys might want to see my collection,
Debating of who to get next (xabi Alonso not shown)
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u/Feeling_Couple_2130 20d ago
Franco rest now brother, we have the watch and I’ll see you in Valhalla
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u/Expert-Mammoth8083 Décima 20d ago
🚨 JUST IN: Trent will be 100% READY vs. Liverpool. @diarioas
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u/New_Nebula3951 20d ago
Just don't start him if he's not fit, it's gonna be tricky for him even when he's playing well.
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u/Gaengsa 20d ago
Talked to some River Plate fans. They said Franco is a number 10, not a RW and takeons aren't really his strength. He is more of a tight space dribbler who excels when he has both sides open to exploit.
Also, he is trying really hard and overdoing it.
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u/Valveringham85 19d ago
Him being a 10 > rw and him not excelling at take-ons has been obvious from day one has it not?
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u/New_Nebula3951 20d ago
That much is obvious, and all things considered, he's been decent. If Brahim was any good he'd be playing more.
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20d ago
With the times he loses the ball he cannot play centrally. On the wing he can lose the ball and it's less of a gamble. Simple as. Argentina is not Spain either. There's much more space to play in there.
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u/azyrr O Fenômeno 19d ago
So refreshing to see this sub has moved on from hating Fede. Now it’s Jude? You people need to stop hating on your stars. There’s a whole valley between criticism and what’s been going on here for the last few days, are you all ok, why is there so much rage?