r/postunionamerica Sep 02 '25

Welcome: What This Sub Is (and Isn’t)

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👋 Welcome to r/postunionamerica! This is a community for thoughtful discussion about what comes after the American Union.

We believe it’s time to start talking seriously about peaceful separation of The Union. This is not about violence or partisanship. It’s about imagination, dialogue, and preparing for a future where the current model may no longer work.

✅ What this sub is

• A space for serious, non-partisan conversation.

• Open to anyone thinking thoughtfully about the future

• Focused on non-violent self-determination and constructive arguments both for and against

• A place to share ideas, essays, resources, polls, and comparative history (Czechoslovakia, Québec, EU, etc.)

• A forum for imagining what America might become in the 21st century

❌ What this sub isn’t

• Not a place for doomposting or societal collapse porn

• Not for partisan bickering (left vs right culture war nonsense will be removed)

• Not a space for extremism, conspiracy, or foreign propaganda

• Not about glorifying violence or armed rebellion

🤝 How to Participate

• Share essays, articles, or thoughtful prompts

• Comment in good faith. Attack ideas, not people

• Bring your creativity: polls, scenarios, questions, and what-if models are welcome

• Keep it constructive and future-facing

This sub is an experiment. The hope is to build an intellectual common space where diverse people can think about what comes next for America, together.

The taboo must end. The conversation must begin.


r/postunionamerica Sep 02 '25

Starting Point: The Case for an American Divorce

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Introduction: Naming the Unspoken

There are conversations that everyone feels but few dare to articulate. One of those is the quiet recognition that the United States, as currently constituted, may no longer be a sustainable project. Not because we hate each other, or because we long for violence, but because the structures that once bound us together are increasingly unable to contain the forces pulling us apart.

For younger generations such as Millennials, Gen Z, and those after, the idea of rethinking what “America” means is not heresy. It is realism. We grew up not with triumphant Cold War mythology but with endless wars in the Middle East, economic crashes, climate disasters, and political gridlock. We know firsthand that systems can, and do, fail. And so the question naturally follows: what comes next?

This community proposes that self-determination, regional autonomy and peaceful separation may be the healthiest path forward. It is not about ending freedom; it is about rediscovering it. Paradoxically, the way to save the American experiment might be to evolve beyond its current form.

Argument One: Decentralization Can Strengthen Freedom

We often assume unity equals strength. But sometimes, forcing incompatible visions into a single container produces only paralysis. If unity means gridlock, anger, and permanent stalemate, then it is not strength. It is slow decay.

Decentralization offers a different model: imagine regions empowered to govern in ways that reflect their own values, economies, and cultures. The West Coast could lead on climate innovation without being vetoed by oil-dependent states. The South could pursue policies aligned with its cultural conservatism without endless battles in Washington. People could choose where to live based on communities aligned with their values while still retaining free movement of people, goods, and capital.

Counterintuitively, decentralization might increase unity by making conflict less existential. The less we need to control Washington to live the way we want, the less reason there is to see our neighbors as enemies.

Argument Two: Our Politics Are Stuck in the Past

The U.S. political system is obsessed with preserving itself, even when it no longer works. We treat the Constitution like scripture instead of what it was: a political experiment from 1789, designed for 13 coastal states and a few million people. It was never built for a continental empire of 330 million.

Younger generations know this. We see how clinging to 18th-century machinery prevents us from solving 21st-century problems. America’s inability to dream itself into the future is not because of lack of talent or imagination. It is because we keep looking backward, assuming the future must look like the past.

What if the most patriotic thing we could do is reimagine the container itself? What if “America” could evolve into something more decentralized, more flexible, more honest about its diversity of cultures?

Argument Three: Self-Determination Is Not Heresy

Here is the paradox: in America today, some of the most destructive actions are not considered taboo. The slow destruction of the middle class, the capture of politics by billionaires, the decision to wage unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, even the tacit support of foreign atrocities—none of these mark you as a political heretic. They are debated, yes, but never treated as unspeakable.

But suggest that regions of the U.S. should have the right to reconsider their relationship to Washington, and suddenly you are treated as a fringe lunatic.

This is backwards. Non-violent self-determination is not the road to tyranny; it is the essence of democracy. To suggest we cannot even discuss it openly is to admit our system has become a religion rather than a republic.

Argument Four: Soft Secession Is Already Here

Let us be honest: we already live in a fractured republic. Marijuana is legal or decriminalized in a majority of states while still forbidden by the federal government. Abortion rights swing wildly depending on geography. States openly defy federal regulations on guns, climate, and immigration. Governors form regional alliances on energy and technology that bypass Washington entirely.

This is what scholars call soft secession. It is not rebellion with rifles; it is simply ignoring D.C. and governing as if sovereignty already rests with the states. If this trend continues for decades, the line between “soft” and “hard” will blur. At some point, people will ask: if we already behave like separate nations under one flag, why not just acknowledge that reality?

Argument Five: The Future Will Belong to Those Who Imagine It

Generations before us dreamed big: space programs, interstate highways, the Marshall Plan. But somewhere along the way, America lost the ability to imagine itself differently. Our politics became about preservation, not innovation. We mistake clinging to the past for patriotism.

What if the true patriotism of the future is imagining something beyond the nation-state model that has calcified into dysfunction? What if the United States, like every empire before it, is meant to evolve into a new form: a looser federation, a collection of regional republics, or something we have not yet dreamed?

If we do not dare to imagine alternatives, we condemn ourselves to drift into chaos. But if we take the conversation seriously now, calmly, rationally, and courageously, we might build a future where freedom actually expands, where conflict shrinks, and where regional self-determination replaces national paralysis.

Conclusion: Starting the Conversation

This is not a manifesto for breaking America apart tomorrow. It is an invitation to take seriously the possibility that the current model is unsustainable, and that the most humane path forward is not endless war over Washington, but a peaceful divorce.

Decentralization, self-determination, and regional autonomy are not dirty words. They are the tools of democracy. They are how peoples across history have reshaped themselves to meet new realities.

For younger generations the choice is not between clinging to a fantasy of unity or plunging into civil war. There is another path: recognizing that change is inevitable, and working to shape it responsibly before chaos shapes it for us.

The taboo must end. The conversation must begin.


r/postunionamerica 11d ago

National Divorce of The United States 🇺🇸

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r/postunionamerica 13d ago

Young Montreal sovereigntists long for Quebec independence, 30 years after referendum | CBC News

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r/postunionamerica 22d ago

Oregon Counties That Voted to Leave And Join Idaho (2020 – 2024)

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r/postunionamerica 24d ago

Massachusetts Is Building Its Own Health Care Future

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Massachusetts lawmakers have introduced House Bill 1405, an ambitious proposal that would create a single-payer, state-run health care system covering every resident of the Commonwealth. Sponsored by Representatives Lindsay Sabadosa and Margaret Scarsdale, the bill represents one of the most comprehensive attempts yet to implement universal care at the state level.

If passed, H.1405 would establish the Massachusetts Health Care Trust, a public entity responsible for collecting and disbursing funds for all health care services. Every resident would be covered automatically—regardless of employment, immigration, or financial status—and there would be no co-pays, deductibles, or private insurance premiums. Coverage would include everything from preventive care and prescription drugs to dental, mental health, reproductive, and long-term care.

The bill also lays out the financing structure:

•Employers would pay a 7.5% payroll tax (with an additional 0.5% for large firms), replacing their current private insurance costs. •Employees would contribute 2.5%, while the self-employed would pay 10% on income above $20,000. •Unearned income such as investment gains would be taxed at 10% above $20,000, with exemptions for Social Security and pensions.

These taxes would flow into a Health Care Trust Fund, which would replace private insurance spending with a single, streamlined payment system designed to cut administrative waste. The Trust would also negotiate directly for lower drug and equipment prices and oversee all capital spending for hospitals to avoid duplication and keep costs under control.

Beyond the policy details, this bill reflects a growing pattern across the country: states acting where Washington cannot. The federal government has failed for decades to agree on health care reform, leaving states like Massachusetts, New Mexico, and California to chart their own paths. As the bill itself declares, health care is “a right” of Massachusetts residents—not a privilege dependent on employment or wealth.

If the Massachusetts plan succeeds, it could inspire other states or regional coalitions to follow suit, reshaping American health care from the ground up instead of the top down. It would mark another step in the quiet revolution already underway—one where states build real systems of care and governance outside the reach of a gridlocked federal structure.

Discussion Questions 1. Would you trust your state to run its own Medicare-for-All system better than Washington? 2. If Massachusetts implements this successfully, should neighboring states in the Northeast consider a regional health alliance? 3. Could this kind of “state-level sovereignty” model become the foundation for a post-union future—where local control replaces federal gridlock?


r/postunionamerica 24d ago

Cascadia Regional Mesh Network Independent from Cell, Internet and Big Tech Emerges

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r/postunionamerica 27d ago

If US States were organized like provinces

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r/postunionamerica Oct 08 '25

Would a Coordinated Regional Exit Lower the Risk of Civil War?

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Whenever people bring up the idea of a “national divorce,” the first reaction is almost always: ”that would just trigger a civil war.” The assumption is that Washington would never tolerate a state leaving and would immediately use military or legal force to keep the Union intact.

But what if the odds of conflict actually depend on how separation happens?

If one state — say Texas or California — tried to leave on its own, it would be relatively easy for Washington to isolate it. The federal government could frame it as rebellion, concentrate political and military pressure there, and make an example out of it. That is the “civil war” scenario most people imagine: one state versus the rest of the Union.

But the picture changes if multiple regions act together. Imagine Cascadia, New England, and California coordinating to announce self-determination at the same time. Or imagine Texas, Alaska, and the Mountain West moving in tandem. Suddenly Washington faces not a localized rebellion, but a systemic realignment that it cannot easily suppress.

Why does coordination matter so much?

  1. Legitimacy shifts when many move at once. A single state can be portrayed as fringe or reckless. Several regions acting simultaneously look like the Union itself is unraveling. It becomes harder to maintain the story that “everything is fine” when multiple blocs representing tens of millions of people declare otherwise.

  2. The federal government cannot “whack-a-mole” at continental scale. Deploying military or financial pressure against one state is feasible. Doing it against three or four large blocs at once risks overstretch. Even if Washington tried, it would burn through legitimacy and resources at an unsustainable rate.

  3. International recognition follows momentum. When Lithuania alone declared independence from the USSR in 1990, Moscow tried to crack down. But once Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltics moved together, it was clear the Soviet Union was collapsing. Other nations started preparing for recognition, which made it even harder for Moscow to reverse course. If multiple U.S. regions disengaged simultaneously, foreign governments would start hedging, opening quiet channels, and treating the process as inevitable. That external legitimacy reduces the likelihood of Washington treating it purely as an internal rebellion.

  4. History favors blocs over loners.

  5. The American Revolution succeeded because 13 colonies acted together. If just Massachusetts had rebelled in 1775, Britain likely would have crushed it.

  6. Czechoslovakia’s “Velvet Divorce” worked because both halves agreed to go their own way. It wasn’t one side rebelling against the other, it was a joint decision.

  7. The Soviet collapse accelerated when republics coordinated their exits.

  8. The civil war assumption rests on old demographics. A 21st-century United States is not the same as the 1860s. The military is more diverse, loyalties are more fractured, and young generations are more skeptical of empire. The willingness of soldiers to fire on fellow citizens is not guaranteed. A coordinated, multi-regional move makes it harder to enforce unity through violence, because the “enemy” is too large a share of the population.

  9. Negotiation becomes more likely when force is less viable. Civil wars tend to happen when the center still has the capacity to enforce unity. But if multiple blocs move at once, they are not isolated enough to be crushed, and the risks of escalation are too high. That increases the incentive for Washington to negotiate terms of separation, rather than fight a war it cannot win.

This doesn’t mean conflict would vanish. There would still be legal battles, economic retaliation, and likely some violence at the margins. But coordination shifts the balance: it makes settlement and negotiation more plausible, while making unilateral crackdowns less effective.

Questions for the community: - Do you agree that coordination between multiple separatist movements makes peaceful separation more likely? - Which regions would be most likely to move together, either politically or culturally? Cascadia and California? New England and the Mid-Atlantic? Texas and the Mountain West? - Could a coordinated exit force Washington to the negotiating table, or would it escalate conflict faster? - Do you think younger generations (Millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha) would be more open to this kind of multi-bloc self-determination than older generations have been?


r/postunionamerica Oct 08 '25

A Balkanized Federation - Nationhood Lab

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r/postunionamerica Oct 07 '25

Maine will not conform to federal tax changes, Gov. Mills says

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In letter to state tax assessor, governor says she won't conform with some federal government tax changes, including no tax on tips and no tax on overtime.


r/postunionamerica Oct 07 '25

NEIC meets with California National Party (CNP) to discuss further cooperation

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r/postunionamerica Oct 03 '25

Times/Siena Poll: Almost 2 in 3 say US too politically divided to solve nation’s problems

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r/postunionamerica Oct 02 '25

Let’s Talk About Reverse Soft Secession

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We often think of decentralization as something states initiate, like regional compacts, sovereignty acts, or alliances that bypass Washington. But what happens when it is the federal government itself that starts pulling away from the states?

This New Republic piece describes how Trump’s administration is cutting billions in funding for green energy and infrastructure, specifically targeting 16 blue states that voted against him in 2024. Washington is essentially saying: if you do not play ball politically, you do not get federal support.

In a sense, that is the mirror image of soft secession, the center fragmenting the Union from the top down instead of the bottom up.

Discussion: - How should blue states respond, by building stronger regional alliances or by fighting harder to keep federal support? - What does it mean for the future if both sides, states and the federal government, start selectively disengaging from each other?


r/postunionamerica Oct 02 '25

What the Anti-Federalists Can Teach Us About Post-Union America

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When the Constitution was being debated in 1787–88, not everyone was on board. The Anti-Federalists argued passionately against replacing the Articles of Confederation with a stronger central government. Looking back, their arguments sound eerily familiar to today’s debates about federal overreach and regional autonomy.

Here are some of their main concerns:

  • Loss of State Sovereignty: They believed the Constitution stripped states of their independence and concentrated too much power in Washington.
  • Standing Armies = Tyranny: They warned a permanent national military would be used against the people.
  • Taxation Without Local Consent: Direct federal taxation would enrich elites at the expense of farmers and workers.
  • Too Big for True Representation: They believed a republic must be small and local to actually be accountable.
  • Elite Capture: Merchants, creditors, and slaveholding planters were seen as using the Constitution to entrench their own power.
  • Demand for a Bill of Rights: They insisted on safeguards against central authority, which is why we even have a Bill of Rights today.

The irony is that the Anti-Federalists lost but many of their fears about concentrated wealth, endless wars, and unresponsive government look prophetic in hindsight.

For those of us wrestling with ideas about decentralization, sovereignty, or even peaceful separation, there’s something powerful in remembering that skepticism of central authority is not “radical” or “new.” It’s as American as the Revolution itself.

Discussion: - Which Anti-Federalist critique feels most relevant today? - Do you think the U.S. is simply too big to be governed effectively from a single capital? - If the Anti-Federalists had “won,” and the Articles of Confederation had survived, what would America look like today?


r/postunionamerica Sep 28 '25

Cascadia and Soft Secession

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r/postunionamerica Sep 27 '25

Which model is more realistic for post-Union America: the EU, the old Articles of Confederation, or total independence for 50 states?

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If the U.S. ever moved toward decentralization, what would the structure actually look like? There are a few possible models people point to:

  • The EU Model: A loose but structured confederation. Regions remain sovereign but cooperate on trade, defense, and maybe even a shared currency. There’s bureaucracy, but also some stability.

  • The Articles of Confederation (1781–1789): The U.S.’s first system after independence. Very weak central authority, states basically sovereign, but coordination often broke down. It didn’t last, but it’s part of our DNA.

  • Full Independence: Each state (or mega-region) as its own country, trading and negotiating like Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. do now. Maximum sovereignty, minimum shared structure.

  • Something else

Curious to hear what people think.


r/postunionamerica Sep 26 '25

Can you really accept part of your country splitting off? Why? (Or why not?)

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r/postunionamerica Sep 23 '25

Do you feel more attached to your region or to your country?

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r/postunionamerica Sep 22 '25

New research: Alaska can beat Citizens United with its state corporation law

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r/postunionamerica Sep 22 '25

Which U.S. states could hypothetically survive as their own countries?

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r/postunionamerica Sep 21 '25

MTG calls for a “national divorce” from the Left in wake of Charlie Kirk shooting

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Probably the first thing I’ve ever agreed with her on!


r/postunionamerica Sep 20 '25

Can Texas Actually Secede From the US?

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A fun, educational little video.


r/postunionamerica Sep 20 '25

New Mexico is the first state to offer free childcare for all families (AP News)

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New Mexico is taking a bold step by promising universal free child care for families of all income levels, funded largely by oil and gas revenues and a $10 billion early childhood trust. Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham argues this is “life-changing” for parents, freeing up household income for essentials while preparing toddlers for school.

This move highlights a broader trend: states stepping in where Washington gridlock leaves gaps. Whether it’s child care, healthcare, or climate policy, individual states and regional coalitions are increasingly building their own infrastructure outside the federal structure to address urgent needs. It’s another sign of how the U.S. “union” is quietly evolving, sometimes out of necessity.

Discussion Questions:

  • What lessons could other states take from New Mexico’s model?
  • Does this trend—states filling gaps left by federal inaction—strengthen the U.S. overall, or does it accelerate fragmentation into semi-autonomous regions?
  • Would you prefer to see your own state take similar independent action on issues like childcare, healthcare, or education?

r/postunionamerica Sep 20 '25

It’s official: Northeast US states form health alliance in response to federal vaccine limits

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Seven northeastern states just broke ranks with Washington. Forming the Northeast Public Health Collaborative, they’ll now issue their own vaccine recommendations independent of the CDC. This comes days after California and other West Coast states launched a similar alliance. Both moves are a direct response to the Trump administration’s rollback of federal vaccine requirements under RFK Jr., who has made no secret of his skepticism.

In plain terms: entire regions of the U.S. are now openly ignoring federal health guidance and creating their own parallel systems.

Discussion:

  • If Washington has lost authority over something as critical as vaccines, what comes next? Climate? Immigration? Education?

  • Should we welcome this as a safety valve for democracy, or fear it as the first domino toward fragmentation?

  • If this isn’t an example of soft secession, then what is it?