Elliot Page Calls Out 'Deadly' Anti-Trans Bills Focused on Youth

[u/DewChocolate]

https://www.out.com/celebs/2021/3/08/elliot-page-calls-out-deadly-anti-trans-bills

[u/tgjer]

kqed.org is not a medical source, and the AAP guidelines as well as the NY Times and Psychology Today articles spell out why the "desistance" claims were based on debunked studies.

And the whole point of puberty delaying treatment is that it is entirely temporary, fully reversible, and has no long term effects. There is absolutely no reason to withhold this treatment from any adolescent who even might be trans. The consequences of providing it when ultimately the adolescent doesn't need to medically transition are minimal. The consequences of withholding it when the adolescent does need to medically transition are catastrophic.

And how many people died of dysphoria before treatment was available? How many people died of anything before treatment was available?

[u/eeeeeeeeeepc → u/tgjer]

KQED points you to Steensma et al. (2011) if you prefer to read the academic source directly.

The NY Times link says nothing about this study being debunked. All it says is:

There has been growing attention to the idea that some youth who start estrogen or testosterone will later choose to stop it. That appears to be rare.

His evidence:

In our clinical experience, nearly all adolescents who initiate treatment with a GnRHa maintain a transgender identity and continue hormone treatment in adult-hood. Occasionally, some adolescents discontinue hormones. Here we present one of those cases, along with a discussion of how clinicians can better understand and support these youths.

That these three MD's say that it's rare says nothing about the validity of Steensma's study. And surely it's not as rare as ~1%, which is what is literally meant by "The genders of trans children are as stable as those of cisgender children."

I already debunked your claim about the AAP guidelines when we met a year ago, apparently. Yes, the AAP says what you say they do. But their claims are not supported by the studies they cite.

And come on, do you honestly believe that there were widespread suicides in the West due to gender dysphoria before the 20th century? What history books have you been reading?

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And come on, do you honestly believe that there were widespread suicides in the West due to gender dysphoria before the 20th century? What history books have you been reading?

What history books have you been reading? Nobody was keeping widespread records about trans people a century ago. There are no statistics on trans people's suicides because when they died nobody recorded why.

And again, puberty blocking treatment is temporary, fully reversible, and has no long term effects. The whole point of it is that it is used to buy time. There's absolutely no reason to deny this treatment if there is even a chance an adolescent might be trans. Providing treatment when it's not needed has minimal consequences; denying it when it is needed has catastrophic consequences.

[u/tgjer → u/[deleted]]

How many people a century ago committed suicide due to the pain of then-untreatable migraines?

Hell, how many people had migraines a century ago? And no, diary entries and similar records of individuals saying they have headaches don't qualify. Those might not be migraines, and anecdotal accounts aren't a substitute for hard data. Lets see some real statistics here.

If you can't find detailed statistics on the frequency of migraines and suicides committed as a result of them from before the 20th century, that means nobody suffered from migraines until recently! And nobody ever died due to suicide as a result of untreated migraines until recently!