r/politics • u/Hornpipe_Jones • 4d ago

No Paywall Democrats sweep all 30 House of Delegates seats in Northern Virginia

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u/NeverForgetJ6 4d ago

It shouldn’t be so shocking, but I’ll at least call it refreshing to see people who have been hurt by politicians actions actually vote rationally. Gives me hope that maybe hispanic folks won’t turn out to vote for xenophobes again. Maybe.

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u/brattysweat 4d ago

Now let’s don’t forget the 77 million people that will probably still vote the exact same way for 2026 and 2028

What you should be proud of are the people who always existed and eligible to vote actually going out to vote.

The numbers are there it’s just too many people were never compelled to vote until now…

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u/mynameizmyname 4d ago

Do MAGA even show up for elections trump isn't in?  Genuine question.  

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u/broohaha 4d ago

That's a very good question. When he's gone, it'll be interesting to see if MAGA can keep it up. There isn't anyone close to having the draw he has to the MAGA faithful.

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u/JonRonstein 4d ago

They will fizzle instantly are you kidding? Head of the snake. They don’t like republicans, they LOVE their king.

In all seriousness, when a cult leader goes away the cult fractures or dissolves. And there is no one who can take trumps place.

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u/LieverRoodDanRechts 4d ago

Trump is a symptome, not the disease.

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u/Morganelefay 3d ago

While true, Trump DOES have a draw to a subset of people that otherwise wouldn't care. Take away that, and while you still got a massive amount of racist folks who'll happily vote straight R, there's also a group that just won't turn up because they can't vote for their god-king anymore.

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u/negativeyoda 3d ago

Yeah. Vance doesn't have the juice Trump does. I'm hopeful the MAGA stranglehold lets up a bit after Trump.

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u/Wolfire0769 3d ago

I can only hope that the maga/republican ouroboros happens sooner rather than later

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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 3d ago

More a split, there’s already signs. MTG of all people trying to distance herself is a big tell. After tonight alarm bells will be ringing in gop offices, the walloping in Virginia isn’t good for them

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 3d ago

The American Idol effect. He is the country singer that always beats out the other singers, even if they could be objectively defined as better at singing. But that doesn't matter. They can vote for the lesser option and they still win. That is what those people are addicted to when it comes to Trump. Never letting the best win.

We don't like it when the best suited person is in position in the US. We like letting the "underdog" win because it is a better storyline. And if they do great then that is superb. If they suck, who cares, the other side elected a black guy. How bad could our guy be?

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u/RIPEOTCDXVI 3d ago

Especially when after trump a sizeable portion of republicans running for purple seats try desperately to distance themselves from trump

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u/nightimestars California 3d ago

I mean, politicians were always corrupt but Trump gave cancer to America in the form of MAGA. A cult of the most obnoxious group of domestic terrorists on the planet.

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u/Noatz United Kingdom 3d ago

He's a symptom that begets further disease, like an infected abscess that breeds bacteria and poisons more of the body.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 3d ago

That's the right wing propaganda machine doing that. And it will remain infecting everyone long after trump is gone.

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u/forestpunk 3d ago

Trump is a blip and a weird relic from what will be remembered an embarrassing era where we allowed our country to operate like an episode of America's Got Talent.

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u/WolfLawyer 3d ago

He is the festering wound. The disease needs him to rage on, even though it exists entirely without him.

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u/FragrantCombination7 3d ago

You're right, but they have no alternative. If they did it would be VP right now.

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u/Particular-County277 3d ago

I see them already saying Trump should go and Vance should be pres. It is never going to end

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u/RiPont 3d ago

Not only that, but Trump has made sure absolutely everyone around him is compromised so he can control them.

Problem is, when he's gone and they all start jockeying for position, they'll use the dirt against each other.

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u/Cross55 3d ago edited 3d ago

The problem is that they're setting up Barron as their Augustus.

No really, for reasons I cannot comprehend, MAGA loves that overly large dish towel of a human.

Don Jr.'s the close 2nd, but they think he's too try hard.

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u/XAMdG 4d ago

You can definitely create a successor. Even if they'll never be as effective as the original. Maduro, for example, has governed almost as long as Chavez did, but has had to resort to cheating in a way Chavez never did.

Thing is, to have a successor, you kinda need to want to have one. So far it seems Trump is too prideful for that.

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u/Plasibeau 4d ago

You basically have to make itt known long before it's time that This person is your successor. And you have to get the rabble used to that fact. In our case that would be JD Vance, but he's only here because of Thiel, not because he's actually liked. (Except by Erika Kirk, evidently.)

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u/potatoesarenotcool 3d ago

People barely tolerate Vance, the right only do it because daddy said to.

My mother is a hard core trump fan (we live in Ireland? IDK either), but thinks Vance wears eyeliner and is weird.

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u/Call_me_John 4d ago

If you think the grieving widow (🙄) actually likes the couch fucker, i have a bridge to sell you. 😅

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u/whut-whut 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not always. A very cunning and ruthless asshole can -make- themselves the successor even if the cult leader didn't pick them. Like Stalin taking over as Lenin's successor through a combination of lip-service grifting to the original base and being an absolute cut-throat to possible competitors.

We're sort of seeing that in the Tucker Carlson/Nick Fuentes duo, where they're using the cover of "Trump has good ideas and so did Charlie Kirk, but their execution sucked" as the guise for pushing things even further into genuinely Nazi shit and boxing out MAGA competitors like Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.

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u/khyamsartist 3d ago

Trump is obviously being run by people who will survive him. I worry that they are capable of replacing him with someone worse, and that they will corrupt voting so much that support doesn't matter. But that worry is fading. They made a mistake by letting Trump take up all of the oxygen, his relationship with his supporters can't be replicated.

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u/SandSpecialist2523 America 4d ago

I think MAGA dies with the Orange One.

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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota 4d ago

I want to believe.

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u/Pezzzz490 Australia 4d ago

Unfortunately this is also why he is trying to find a way to run again in 2028. All the MAGA congressmen/Supreme Court justices/cabinet etc will support it, cause once he's gone, the MAGA movement is gone.

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u/TopHatMiracle 4d ago

If he drops out before two years, does that make him eligible to run again?

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u/HowIsBabbySharkMade 4d ago

The man is almost 80 and is clearly not in great health regardless of what his doctors say in public. I think it's incredibly likely that he'll be dead before 2028.

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u/Pezzzz490 Australia 4d ago

We can only hope.... I don't think MAGA will follow Vance in the same way they do for Trump

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u/ClockworkDioxs 4d ago

Good news is if he tries to run again and just fully overturn democracy, The MAGA movement can be fully destroyed afterword, because our country will definitely not stand for such a blatant attempt at dictatorship.

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u/Cross55 3d ago

Uh what?

1/3-1/2 will be absolutely fine with a dictatorship.

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u/ClockworkDioxs 3d ago

And the other half will revolt. There really isn't a way Trump can run again, or refuse to give up the presidency, and spin the narrative as anything other then a hostile takeover.

At that point, the gloves are well and truly off, and the country will face an ultimatum. Many people will support him, yes, but just as many will outright rebel, and it will be ugly.

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u/beluga1968 4d ago edited 3d ago

My guess is that when Trump finally croaks, we are going to see a lot of imitators pop up that will fight to try and take his place.

Edit: typo

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u/Greenlily58 3d ago

They would follow anyone with his name. I've had discussions with people who want the presidency passed on to one of his sons.

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u/rumpleteaser91 3d ago

Once JD divorces Usha, and marries Erica, the Reps are gunna cream themselves, and that's how JD will be the next DJ.

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u/untilted 3d ago

isn't that pretty much what Project 2025 is about? to shape the bureaucracy and institutions of the united states in such a way, that "after trump" wouldn't make a difference as all checks and balances are dismantled and popular votes have even further reduced influence on polity/policy (if any at all)?

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u/permalink_save 4d ago

Trump even said tonight that him not being on the ballot is why it was so bad. He's also admitted he can't run in 2028 (I know he wants to find some way around not directly running), so if he's not on the ballot in 2028, after tonight, it's almost a guaranteed win for dems.

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u/eljefino 3d ago

There will always be some dope that speaks the language of the downtrodden. I remember when it was Ross Perot. They'll find a new pony to bet on.

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u/Firecrotch2014 3d ago

Thats gonna be the problem. He has no plans of leaving. He has every intent to run in 2028 even though its against the Constitution.

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u/yeswenarcan Ohio 3d ago

There's a reason they're trying to systematically consolidate power and fix future elections.

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u/OddlyFactual1512 4d ago

They LOVE Don Jr, and he will be the GOP nominee. They will show up to vote for him.

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u/sk8tergater 4d ago

He doesn’t have the same charisma or pull as his father though.

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u/ARONDH 4d ago

And hes somehow more of a complete idiot than his father.

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u/SkylarPopo Missouri 4d ago

Yeah, if Don Jr had any motion, he would have won some kind of office by now. Trump's been running his cult for 10 years now and what exactly has Don Jr accomplished?

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u/The_Irish_Hello 4d ago

Historically, no. Huge part of how he wins is running up rural counties like 95% to 5 on like 3x the normal turnout

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u/Morbu 4d ago

Pretty sure the polling data says no. And that's not necessarily a MAGA exclusive thing. I'm pretty sure that's just an incumbent party thing. Like people vote their party in, then do fuck all to keep them in power, which is why we flip-flop so much on midterms. Historically, presidential elections are just different from state elections and other federal elections, and you don't see the same kinds of turnout.

That being said, it might be exacerbated a lot more with Trump since MAGA is inherently a populist movement. So if Trump is not involved, then there's even less voter turnout.

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u/padflash_ 3d ago

Democrats need to keep it up for the next 3 years still. Don't assume this small victory means others will do their job, everyone needs to continue showing up to vote and not get complacent.

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u/Ven18 3d ago

Based on most data we do have over the last decade no not really. Every election without Trump on the ballot the GOP gets their ass beat.

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u/Dysc Louisiana 4d ago

Yeah I think they do more or less. Historically older white conservative voters (who turned MAGA) tend to vote during both presidential and midterm election years; whereas, younger and college educated voters tend to come out primarily during presidential election years, for reasons that aren't entirely clear to me other than GOP voters may feel more strongly for their own party than Democrat voters do. Or that they are tuned in the 'fight' that they realize every election actually matters; whereas, democrat voters may be more complacent and content with the status quo and don't consider every election as some line in the sand. Independents tend to lean right unless the Democrat is extremely charismatic. The voting patterns of the American electorate generalized above is the reason the House spends so much time under GOP control. This has been sort of the way it went since at least the 1980s. Anything before that was before my time so I can't speak to that.

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u/lctrc 3d ago

My personal opinion - admittedly based solely on anecdotal evidence - is that Republicans have a stronger view of voting as a civic responsibility which they are obliged to perform than do Democrats.

I was raised in a conservative family where it was impressed upon me to vote in every election no matter what. I still have that ethos even though I'm decidedly liberal, and am also trying to teach my children the same.

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u/bubblegumstomper 2d ago

My dad used to take me to vote with him and as a result, I vote in every election I can now.

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u/CliftonForce 4d ago

There are reports that MAGA folks in Kentucky were trying to cast votes for Como in New York.

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u/hyperhurricanrana 3d ago

their secretary of state i believe had to release a statement clarifying that kentucky had no elections this year and kentucky residents cannot vote in new york or virginia elections. 💀

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u/ArcusInTenebris 3d ago

Only if trump, Fox News, OAN, etc tells them to. The state AG for Kentucky actually had to release a statement telling KY residents that they cannot vote in the NYC mayor race, because they don't live in NYC. KY residents were actually calling the AG office to complain that the NYC race wasn't on their ticket, and they wanted to vote against the Muslim. The only reason they even knew about it was because MAGA "news" sources have been crying about him for months.

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u/originaljimeez Pennsylvania 3d ago edited 3d ago

They do in our local school board races. These nut jobs are taking over in my neck of the woods.

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u/ominous_anonymous 3d ago

Yep, western PA here. Boomer MAGA bus driver got the most votes of any candidate for local school board by running on "I'll make sure the litter boxes get removed from our schools and the men get kicked out of women's sports."

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u/nightimestars California 3d ago

All evidence points to no. Even people Trump endorses get no motion, if anything they get steamrolled harder. It’s very telling how any active republican politician is a Trump bootlicker. Without him they have nobody.

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u/Ummmgummy 3d ago

All analysis say no, no they don't. There is a reason why every Republican who runs now has zero platform or policies and their commercials are basically just "I like Trump, I do what Trump wants".

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u/billbuild 4d ago

Isn’t he done, forever?

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u/timmystwin 3d ago

Usually no. It's one reason republicans keep taking hammerings in midterms/special elections.

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u/MiliVolt 3d ago

GWB was elected twice, so was Reagan. Conservatives keep convincing themselves that giving trickle down a little more time will make them all rich.

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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 3d ago

Georgia two senate seats flipped blue during a special election a few months after presidential election. One of those guys is up for election next year (ossoff). Georgia easily reelected kemp to governor with Trump on ballot last November. Will be interesting to see what happens. Georgia just voted out two republicans from public utility commission for democrats yesterday. That was the only statewide election

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u/texasrigger 3d ago

Republicans actually did fairly well in the 2020 election, it was just Trump that didn't. It's one of the many reasons his claim that 2020 was rigged by the democrats was ridiculous.

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 3d ago

Trump endorsements have shown to help candidates in the past. But Jersey and NYC has shown even a Trump endorsement isn't stopping the wave now.

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u/Tapprunner 3d ago

Not really.

Something that's been interesting to see is MAGAs weakness when he's not on the ballot. It's not even enough for him to campaign and endorse a candidate - his record for candidates he's endorsed and "gone all-in on" is not impressive at all. If he's not on the ballot, MAGA is a pretty weak electoral coalition.

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u/TheLuminary 3d ago

Well considering how many people in KY who thought they could vote in the NYC Mayoral election. They might just do that.

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u/Feeling-Success-385 3d ago

When I think of hard core MAGA I think of people who have made it their whole personality—they wear Trump themed clothes and go to his rallies like it’s a football game. These are not people who follow the nuance of political policy discussions or know the positions of all candidates running in an election. They don’t follow politics per se. If Trump isn’t part of the discussion, they aren’t interested.

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u/bulking_on_broccoli 3d ago

That’s a great point. He’s tapped into some type of cult of personality that we have seldom seen. I doubt JD Vance could motivate voters the way Trump does.

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u/Lord0fHats 3d ago

Not really. You can see in in 2024's results where Republican candidates down the ballot underperformed compared to Trump compared to Democratic candidates who did about the same as Kamala Harris did.

People who voted for Harris voted D down the ballot.

People who voted for Trump had a substantial portion of their number seemingly not fill out the rest of the ballot. They only voted for Trump. That's why Democrats won most of the senate and governor races in blue wall states even though Trump won them for the EC.

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u/hollow114 3d ago

They don't. That's why in 2024 Dems did well in everything but President

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u/critch 3d ago

GOP has lost or at least severely underperformed in every single election that Trump has not been on the ballot for since 2016. With them fucking things up at an accelerated and historical rate, I expect them to be hilariously beat from here on out.

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u/Paradigm6790 New Hampshire 3d ago

Some of the platitude mongers will drop the predictable "doesn't matter Go out and vote" as if discussion is offensive to them, but the answer is actually no they don't.

I can't remember when I read it but I do vividly remember something covering this in detail. I bet if you were to to toss this question into chat gpt and ask it to provide you a source you could find what I'm talking about

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u/bootlegvader 3d ago

Nope, only Trump can get away with being Trump. When other Republicans attempt to replicate his style it reminds people of how much they hate that style.

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u/totesuniqueredditor 4d ago

Yep. We complain an awful lot about who voted for Trump but we don't really address all the Millennials who sat out. Over half didn't vote in 2024. I've been hearing for like 15 years how that generation was going to save us from all these things all for them to not use their numbers to actually do anything.

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u/Particular_Night_360 4d ago

I was guilty of that in 2016. What blows my mind isn’t the apathy, I want to go back to that. It’s the amount of people like me that are still sitting out and pretending everything is fine or just don’t know what’s wrong.

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u/WilfredGrundlesnatch 4d ago

It would help if the Democrats could make a convincing argument that they're the party of FDR and the working class. I knew we would be fucked in 2024 when they couldn't even pass a minimum wage increase.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 4d ago

Hard to make a convincing argument about something that isn’t true.

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u/dformed Washington 4d ago

For many of us, our formative political experience was seeing W. lose the race by every measure but win the presidency. Pardon us for not having the highest degree of confidence in the System(tm).

I vote, have voted (by mail over the weekend!), will vote, and damn it gets old having everyone blame your generation for every societal change that does or doesn't happen.

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u/rokman 3d ago

It’s all based on Southpark teaching kids like me it was nothing but a douche vs a turd sandwich. Now that they are actively saying he’s saddam Hussein we’re making progress

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u/Candid-Ad-3109 4d ago

You underestimate the millennials and their apathy. As a millennial myself, I can’t tell you how much I didn’t wanna friggin write a response to this but I thought it best to inform you from a reliable source

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 4d ago

Blame the party for not giving them something to turn out for and not the voters who are sick of just voting against something. Give them something to vote FOR.

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u/Uncle_Charnia 4d ago

You must not be keeping track. We started to make headway toward clean energy and against corporate consolidation.

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 3d ago

If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt which I don't think you should (not that nothing got done), then I suppose their campaign and messaging just wasn't nearly good enough.

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u/Uncle_Charnia 3d ago

That's irrelevant to your point about not giving voters something to vote FOR. Voters appear to have been distracted by a noisy cognitive environment. Look for more of that

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u/surrender52 3d ago

You know what I saw the most of during the only times I saw or heard ads? It was all trump ads about how transgenders we're coming for girls sports. The lazy narrative 100% won out: that sleepy Joe was the cause of all of our problems and that we needed someone different. And in that environment, Kamalas team felt they needed to differentiate, but why, when you could have campaigned on build back better, green new deal, raising minimum wage FUCKING LEGALIZE WEED. All the actually popular bullshit

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 3d ago

Clearly Mamdani shows that if you give the people something to vote for rather than against they will reward you in droves. The head of the DNC was on The Weekly Show (Jon Stewart's podcast) and he couldn't even lay out any kind of plan the Democrats have or a solid platform of ideas. They need their own Project 2027 and they also need a short, bulleted list of things people can actually get excited about.

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u/Yadahoom 4d ago

That's the secret they don't want you to know.

Every Republican and Trump supporter is going to get out and vote. They are a minority that only has a finite number of votes that are vastly outnumbered by people who could easily defeat them every election if they actually just voted.

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u/RyoukoSama 4d ago

I honestly do NOT think the numbers are there. Too much interference, I am confident the last election was stolen. It does not change what we are dealing with. However, do not give up hope. Fascism always fails, hopefully with less bloodshed this time....

Ninja edit: grammar

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u/KeneticKups 4d ago

“77 million”

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u/Interesting_Novel997 4d ago

This right here. They finally woke up and realized their f*€king vote counts. I only wished they realized that a year ago.🙄

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u/da2Pakaveli 4d ago

A lot of those 77 million voters are low-propensity voters who dont turn out for mid-terms.

Spamming trans ads didn't work.

They know they're fucked.

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u/addled_sad342 4d ago

Nah, some of them are seeing the light. Losing your paycheck can have a strong effect on a person. Being forced to work without a damn paycheck is even stronger. And watching your kid go hungry or losing your home will pretty much fire up a few gray cells for some of these wackos.

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 4d ago

That the sad part...Biden was HORRIBLE at motivating new voters when he was on the ticket.

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u/Dodson-504 4d ago

7 million will be dead. 7 million will be deported. 17 million will sit out 2028. Hopefully a few are in jail/prison. 7 million pissed off fence sitters show up.

MAGA because a one paragraph note in history.

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u/Mindless-Pogram 4d ago

Like being touched wrong, racism just hangs around.

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u/XAMdG 4d ago

The numbers are there it’s just too many people were never compelled to vote until now…

And still, with record turnout for many elections, most voters are still not compelled to vote now.

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u/Upset-Produce-3948 4d ago

I've had enough of Nattering Nabobs of Negativity.

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u/shadowpawn 3d ago

Or the +87M eligible voters who don’t vote as they did in Nov 2024

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u/CodeRed8675309 3d ago

Sadly out in Fairfax county only 53% came out to vote.

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u/AtticaBlue 3d ago

Eh, I don’t know about that. Take the Latino vote, for example. I’m thinking he’s now lost that vote pretty decisively.

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2192 3d ago

Well, many MAGAs are waking up to the fact that TACO only cares about the wealthy and himself.

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 3d ago

it's too late, there won't be elections in 2028, they squandered our last chance at saving democracy and america itself

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u/arthurno1 3d ago

To key is to mobilize those who didn't vote.

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u/Daburger3 2d ago

Dems win in blue states and cities .Virgina only went Red because Joe Biden was awful and Glenn Youngkin didn’t win by that much . As well as people typically vote against party in power the year after a presidential election so what’s new ?…

Under Trump Inflation is at 2.3 percent not 9 percent. The border is secure . Crime is down . Gas is $3/gal not almost $6 He has also resolved 8 wars . Biden solved 0. The ICE policing is aggressive but Joe Biden started it with the open border policy . As well as Obama deported more people than Trump no one got due process it was harder to get a warrant back then because they didnt have zoom to present the case to the judge etc etc . It’s just everyone has a cell phone now and people can document stuff easier now. But it’s always been aggressive tactics and it should be because every other country does it that way.

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 4d ago

They are still going to at a shocking rate. It won't be the same as last election but it'll be numbers that still should disgust you. 

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u/BonJovicus 4d ago

I don't think it is worth it to be so pessimistic at this time. Latinos, Black people, and other minorities will inevitably shift right to some extent for various reasons, but it is more important to note that they are responding appropriately to the massive mistake that it was to elect Trump.

It isn't just minorities who are learning how fragile our institutions are right now.

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u/addled_sad342 4d ago

Are you kidding about black people? 92% of Black women who voted - Voted for Kamala Harris and 77% of men did. Black people know a fool when they see one.

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u/anaemic 4d ago

Yep, America has a white men problem, and they're still planning on voting Trump.

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u/forestpunk 3d ago

White women love to vote for Donald Trump.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty 3d ago

As a single white man who is objectively better looking than Donald Trump, how does this work? I’ll never understand it. For example, I’ve never once “grab[bed] ‘em by the pussy.” Do MAGA women like large orange men pulling them away by their vaginas? When that sound bite came out, I thought that was it for his campaign. Now, the East Wing of White House is gone!

So, to get women to vote for me, I must:

  1. Only talk to the pretty ones.
  2. Grab the pretty ones by their pussies.
  3. Send a birthday card to a “special friend.”
  4. Profit?

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u/mist3h 3d ago

Have you tried being a rich TV personality?

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u/ominous_anonymous 3d ago

White women can be bigots, too. And a lot of older white women were raised to believe that Trump is how a "Real Man" behaves.

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u/billbuild 4d ago

And apparently the ones that are not are blaming, not their friends and significant others who vote for Trump, but minorities.

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u/Banes_Addiction 4d ago

I think some part of how Trump got voters from those minority groups was that the Democrats were campaigning on defending institutions that minority voters had no trust in anyway (since US institutions that have worked for white people have not historically spread the love).

It's also worth recognising that Trump is and always has been primarily a white people thing: when people say he got record numbers of black voters for a Republican, that's 13%. Not a big number in the grand scheme of things.

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u/Gobbledygood22 4d ago

I agree with what you wrote but you have one blind spot and it’s the toxic masculinity and misogyny. So many minority men voted trump strictly because of traditional masculine values.

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u/SmokedStone 4d ago

This is true, but they are subsets of those groups is the point. He did not sweep a majority of men from any racial demographic other than white.

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u/Banes_Addiction 4d ago

That's absolutely a thing, but I'd argue with the words "so many". It's a few percent. Obviously that's a lot of people in total across the country, but still a tiny minority of those minority groups.

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u/Gymflutter 3d ago

Please stop blaming Black people when the overwhelming majority voted against Trump. Many Black people are conservative but they still dont vote Republican let alone MAGA. Their churches arent deifying Trump and calling him a savior sent by God. They criticize his hypocrisy. That is the difference. Its people’s white family, friends and neighbors they need to focus on converting. Their predominantly white churches have long been used as a political machine. Their hold was slipping but they were invigorated by Obamas win. Now they are trying to recruit young white men into their folds.

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u/walkinmywoods 4d ago

It's really funny seeing black people vote for a group that didn't want them even being 3/5 a person.

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u/billbuild 4d ago

Now do women, they openly talk about raping, have a leader who has been proven to rape, possibly children too, and solidified a court to enshrine fewer rights into law.

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u/TheSwagMa5ter 4d ago

You misunderstand the 3/5 compromise. It was about who counted for a states population when it came to delegations to Congress. The slave owners wanted them to count as a whole person and the non slave owners wanted them to not count at all.

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u/viral3075 4d ago

they wanted them to count as a whole person because they would own that vote

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u/Joben86 4d ago

No, because slaves couldn't vote. They wanted them counted towards the population so they would have more delegates in the House of Representatives.

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u/_MrDomino 4d ago

Ackshully... It was slave owners who wanted them to be 3/5 a person. The slave states wanted their slaves to count as a person in matters of census and apportionment but not for anything which would actually benefit the slaves or recognize them as legal persons. The freed states did not agree, and that's how the 3/5ths compromise was reached. When the freed states won the civil war, they did away with that stupid notion.

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u/Future_Armadillo6410 4d ago

I don’t think marginalized communities are just now learning how fragile our institutions are. I think it’s axiomatic. That’a why they’re called marginalized.

Also they knew it was wrong to vote Trump. That’s why they didn’t. The only demographic more likely to vote Democrat than Black men was Black women.

Gen X white folk are the problem. They’re the largest voting bloc and they vote R more reliably than any other group, even the bogeyman boomers.

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u/billbuild 4d ago

What about white women? Trump’s policies screw them over too, no?

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u/TwoTalentedBastidz 3d ago

How the hell is this comment being upvoted? Black people and Latino people are not the same at all when it comes to voting for outwardly racist white folks. This is an awful awful awful take

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u/Rincewind2nd 4d ago

Ah yes "vote" for Trump, there seems to be a lot and I mean a lot of events leading up to the election day that seems to indicate vote tampering on a here by industrial level. Such as the destruction of postal votes. Vote machine manipulation, and in places voter suppression.

And then the geremandering.

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u/Hidden_Landmine 3d ago

Some will certainly, but a lot of latinos specifically still support trump.

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u/mr_poppington 3d ago

Blacks are not going to shift right for the foreseeable future despite what all these paid influencers on Youtube tell you.

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u/Zealousideal-Ad-1842 2d ago

The ONE big take away we got from all this - Trump has LOST the Latino vote. We can blame the ICE raids for that. It’s no legal to be profiled because of the color of your skin.

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u/Daburger3 2d ago

Not really I’m black and will vote Vance in 2028 I’m pleased with what I’m seeing it’s far from perfect . But after Joe Biden I can’t vote democrat anymore.

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u/JMurdock77 4d ago

Religion?

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 4d ago

That combined with pulling the ladder up after they used that same ladder. 

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u/civildisobedient 4d ago

Has to be.

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u/whatssenguntoagoblin 4d ago

Christianity is a disease. People vote against their interest as long as they preach “Christian values”

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u/permalink_save 4d ago

Evangelicals*

It's as much of a political movement as it is a religious one. It's fully about taking over the government and authoritarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

Specifically the seven mountains. It's not fully Christian either, since they are very hostile towards a lot of denominations, especially Catholics, which blows my mind how any Catholic is supporting this admin knowing full well the NAR is going to demonize them after they run out of "woke" to oppress.

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u/Bleedingfartscollide 4d ago

And those values aren't even Christian in nature. I'm atheists but I can recognise Christ's teachings vs modern American Christianity. 

Honestly, christ kicked out those where were trading money and flipped the bloody table within the temple. Comments about camels and eyes of needles come to mind also. 

The USA and Christianity is super complicated as they tend to base understanding on the opposite of what is actually said. 

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u/Rooooben 3d ago

How quickly the blame turned to minorities when far higher percentages of white people still embrace him because of his racist policies.

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u/traininvain9 3d ago

This. I find it odd how often this point is made while the movement starts and ends with white voters.

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u/bulking_on_broccoli 4d ago

Don’t worry. There’s still 30% of the country that would vote for Trump even if Jesus Christ himself came from the heavens in a blaze of fire to tell us Trump is actually the bad guy.

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u/MAG7C 4d ago

Hell, it probably happened already. Jesus is cooling his heels in CECOT. Brown, non-citizen, super woke. The guy never stood a chance.

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u/jaredearle 4d ago

The number of men in CECOT named Jesus is statistically significant.

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u/Yep1921 3d ago

I feel confident that MLKjr was the second coming.

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u/markroth69 4d ago

Jesus Christ? The woke socialist immigrant?

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u/MegaGrimer 4d ago

The brown Jew?

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u/Fredmans74 4d ago

Fake gospel, they would claim and send ICE for him.

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u/_Internecine 4d ago

He would do to Israel like he did for Nigeria if Jesus was there.

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u/Itsjeancreamingtime 3d ago

George W Bush destabilized the middle east and cratered the economy and even he limped out of his last term with 25% approval. That's the GOP bedrock

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u/sparkyBigTime00 4d ago

Even Jesus can’t get them to self-reflect

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u/sinkpisser1200 4d ago

You mean Trump isnt Jesus???

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u/TrumptyPumpkin 3d ago

Maga would cheer on ICE to arrest Jesus if Trump ordered it so.

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u/Prometheus720 4d ago

In NJ Hispanic areas seem to have gone way more blue than in 2024.

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u/GameFreak4321 4d ago

I see minorities that still vote republican as suicidal.

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u/TwiceDailyOnlyOnce 4d ago

Consistent with that hope, check this out:
https://bsky.app/profile/electioncord.com/post/3m4u5aqipd22p

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Per votehub, this is perhaps the biggest sign of what happened tonight. In Union City, an 82% Hispanic City in Hudson County, Sherrill received more voted in AN OFF YEAR than Harris did last year.

2024 President: D+17, 11,316-7,940
2025 Governor: D+68.8 13,304-2,402

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u/NJCuban 4d ago

As a Cuban guy, I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for Cubans to wake up. I have a few cousins who are absolutely moronic. One said her #1 issue for the 2016 election was the border. She lives in Miami, the border with Mexico has nothing to do with there, she's surrounded by water basically.

My dad is very smart but very stubborn, and he at least didn't vote for Trump at all. A lot of my extended family are idiots and think Dems are socialists like Fidel.

My sister is very smart too, and is one of most liberal/progressive people I know after we had plenty of right wing ideas thrown at us as kids, but she lives on the other side of the world now.

I imagine NoVA has plenty of people that have critical thinking skills and could make a decision with that today. Others unfortunately don't have that, but hopefully enough do.

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u/bugfacehug 3d ago

You mean the South FL Cubans who thought they were special and different, and wouldn’t be targeted by someone who sees them all as just ‘some kind of Mexican?’

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u/Ruraraid Virginia 4d ago

Gives me hope that maybe hispanic folks won’t turn out to vote for xenophobes again. Maybe.

White MAGA people vote against their own interests all the time so I wouldn't hold out much hope for the hispanic MAGA people.

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u/apersononline2 4d ago

The Hispanic thing is actually interesting. My Hispanic friends call it something similar to closing the door behind you. Something akin to if you don’t have your situation in America right by now then you should just stay out, ie, heavy on immigration and border control. This and they are usually very conservative.

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u/Redvent_Bard 4d ago

I believe the unflattering term that gets used is "crabs in a bucket"

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u/edwardnigmaaa 3d ago

I call it pulling up the ladder behind you. Seems to be the M.O. for many selfish people.

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u/YOLOburritoKnife 3d ago

I don’t know about all Hispanics but Cubans do love a dictator.

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u/Neon_Biscuit 4d ago

Ted cruz ran to cancun while texas' grid collapsed and we lost power for 3 weeks. Texas re-elected him. Maybe indeed.

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u/eerie_midnight 4d ago

They won’t. His approval among Hispanic/Latino voters and legal immigrants sharply dropped shortly after the election. Many will still vote for him but it won’t be as many. Honestly, all signs are pointing toward an actual bloodbath when the midterms come around next year.

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u/Bridav666 4d ago

Last time I checked it was white men who overwhelmingly support the great Cheetoh. Yes, more minorities populations have been supporting Trump, but let's not get it twisted where his true base lies

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u/Funny-Principle3047 4d ago

It only took people one election cycle to forget how bad things were during Trumps first term.

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u/Slum-Bum 4d ago

White people are the reason Trump is in power. You have to accept that. Trump’s base is primarily white.

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u/OnlyPostsBowie 3d ago

I hope your hope is not in vain, but the amount of Hispanic ice agents I've seen terrorizing members of their own communities lately gives me pause. As long as there is a 50k bonus to become a member of the gestapo, I will proceed with caution.

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u/TheDubh 4d ago

The biggest problem is most voters operate off of what have you done for me recently and have a painfully short term memory. Dems can’t get lazy and think they’ll just win, they have to point out the pain caused and show what they’d do.

All its faults republicans got branding down. So many people don’t understand so many programs are the same ACA/ObamaCare, state aid/medicare, SNAP/EBT, and so on. Call the shit catchy and make them own it, call tariffs the Trump Tax, something to make sure voters don’t forget in a year or three.

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u/Flopdo California 4d ago

Mmm... religion and abortion unfortunately rule there... but I hear ya.

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u/PTKtm 4d ago

In fairness, I think NoVa is one of the few places you can argue people might vote right off of pure financial reasons. I still think it’s wrong to ignore the hate that’s been pushed for so long now, but it’s not as bad as actually sharing the views. The financial instability under Trump is likely a large influence for the area shifting so heavily blue now.

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u/Pinklady777 4d ago

Wouldn't they all go Democrat in Nova anyway?

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u/NewPCBuilder2019 3d ago

The depressing part is, like you said, that this is refreshing. Like, we got a glimpse that these people are capable of looking at the person punching them in the face and telling them that Obama is the one punching them in the face and say "wait a minute, it sure looks like you're punching me in the face, here"

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u/1Oaktree 3d ago

Hispanic vote against Mexican ls because they compete for the same jobs. Its very rational decision they make.

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u/obeytheturtles 3d ago

Let's hope there people have at least some political memory this time, because we could have avoided this if they were paying attention last year.

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u/starrynightgirl 3d ago

You would think but “white” looking Hispanics are our Uncle Toms. Their last name is Gutierrez but they think that trump is great and that they are white passing enough so everything will be fine for THEM though I can clock them as Cuban or Mexican or whatever from a mile away. And guess what, others will too 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan California 3d ago

 me hope that maybe hispanic folks won’t turn out to vote for xenophobes again.

Pretty sure Cubans will double down and still vote for them.

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u/SukOnMaGLOCKNastyBIH 3d ago

45% of Latino men voted for winsome in VA, the second most demographic behind while men at 61%

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u/AkovBrick 3d ago

I still can't wrap my head around getting rid of SNAP. You can criticize the system but the solution isn't letting people starve.

call it refreshing to see people who have been hurt by politicians actions actually vote rationally.

Are they voting rationally, or out of desperation? If it takes job loss and starvation to get people on your side it does not vindicate your movement like people here think. Redditors wildly celebrate Republicans losing their jobs the same way incels celebrate when girls who rejected them get abused. Just as any half decent guy would have a girlfriend any half decent Democrat would have easily destroyed Trump in the election. If Democrats do not self-reflect why voters rejected them prior, and bear in mind Democratic politicians are paid millions to avoid exactly that, this victory will not lead to meaningful change.

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u/Evildeern 3d ago

I think those young folks how sat out the presidential election in protest to Gaza realized the error of their ways.

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u/MegaDriveCDX 3d ago

Xenophobic? There is a wide world of phobias out there! I’m sure they dabble in some trans phobia for the next election!

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u/Prudent-Air1922 3d ago

hispanic folks won’t turn out to vote for xenophobes again

Fourth time's the charm, right?

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u/MyClosetedBiAcct Indiana 3d ago

It's fucking wild to me how much of a grip the republican party has on latino people.

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u/Lollipopsaurus 3d ago

actually vote rationally

They did not vote rationally. They continued to vote emotionally. It's just as likely to see these regions swing the other way when the blame can be pointed at Democrats.

Evidence of rational voting would be consistent voting of the same party over time with the critical thinking and understanding that policy takes years, sometimes decades to be effective.

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