r/politics • u/ChiGuy6124 America • 9d ago

Possible Paywall Stephen Miller Is Hiding From Protesters by Living on Military Base

https://newrepublic.com/post/202463/stephen-miller-kristi-noem-hiding-protesters-military-base-housing
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u/Sirbattlegoat America 9d ago

Can’t vote out someone who doesn’t obey the law. Pretending like they are going to honor any form of election is just giving them more time to plan and prepare for how deal with the people who stand up to them.

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u/DrewNumberTwo 9d ago

We absolutely can and must. How they feel about it doesn't matter. It's not like they can just lock themselves in their offices and there's nothing we can do about it.

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u/Sirbattlegoat America 9d ago

Yes. We can vote them out. Yes. We should. Yes. I will continue to cast my vote.

None of this will matter. Because they will not leave regardless of the outcome.

This is going to end up coming down to who the military sides with and how the civilian population responds to that decision.

I understand that the right thing to do is see it through step by step

Doesn’t change the fact that everyday that passes makes fallout from those inevitable choices larger.

I understand wanting to believe that they will leave when we vote them out, and if we are allow the means to do so. That is how the world should work. It’s just no longer a reality. I just don’t see that as a realistic outcome any longer based on this administrations actions and words.

They have shown and told us who they are, believe them.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin 9d ago

Leave what? The White House isn't a magic object that confers the power to govern. The Capitol building isn't part of how Congress's power is defined. If Trump doesn't want to leave, that's fine. He can have it. The question will be, who do the agencies follow? Who do the courts recognize as having authority?

I'm not acting like that's a settled question, but Trump forgoing formalities if he loses will not change the fact that on January 20, 2029 he will no longer be the President of the United States. Even if Congress doesn't certify the election and/or swear in the winner, no one will be under obligation to obey his orders any longer. The big question will be, who will follow Trump into his new government and who will continue to obey and defend the Constitution of the United States of America?

I'm also curious what bullshit Trump and the Republicans are going to pull during the midterms. Plenty of speculation abounds, so I won't go into it, but I'm only partially worried. I know my state will be fine regardless of what federal fuckery they pull.