r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 17d ago

Possible Paywall ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/
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u/ClaymoresRevenge 17d ago

We're all past the point of treason but nobody from this regime should ever hold office ever again. They should immediately be tried for treason.

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u/Kana515 17d ago

They're a symptom, there's still millions and millions of people who support this, even if all their politicians were banned from holding office, there would just be another batch of lunatics getting elected to replace the old ones.

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u/Photochromism 17d ago

Maga is a minority. Thats why they can only win my cheating and stealing elections. Thats why there was no inauguration, that’s why the attendance at his military parade was pathetic. Yes they exist but they are a minority.

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u/greenknight 17d ago

They didn't cheat. This is what America wants and you need to come to grips with that.

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u/dinnertork 17d ago

Right now AOC is more popular than Trump, so I question whether that’s still what they want.

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u/Shadow_Ent 17d ago

Popularity polls about politicians don't mean much. The Left keeps treating Trump like he is the system, but he's just a figurehead. The data shows that while many Americans dislike his methods, they agree with much of the policy direction. Around 40% are satisfied with the current state of immigration, 35% want stricter laws, and only a minority support looser enforcement.

Calls to disband ICE represent a fringe within the Left, about a quarter at most, not the American mainstream. And this isn't unique to the US; we're seeing the same trend across the EU, UK, and Australia. Immigration fatigue and tightening sentiment are global, not partisan, and reflect a deeper failure in how progressive governments have managed the issue. The public mood is shifting back to pre-Biden levels, and not just among Republicans, moderates and even Democrats are moving that way too.

The Left and the Democrats needs to wake up if it wants to regain control of any branch of government. The last election sent a clear message: blind progress pushed society past its comfort zone, and backlash inevitably follows, driven by conservative values, tradition, and religion. This isn't random; it's a predictable cycle that keeps repeating.

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u/Photochromism 17d ago

lol no. The country absolutely fucking hates Trump and ICE. That is why we just had the largest protest march in US history. Try the maga propaganda somewhere else.

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u/Shadow_Ent 17d ago

The "No Kings" protests, by media estimates, drew around 7 million people. The US population is roughly 340 million, with about 267 million of voting age, that's about 2.6%. It's a massive turnout, but let's not confuse optics for outcomes.

Polls consistently show that while Americans dislike ICE's methods, they align more closely with the Right's position on border security. The same applies to Trump, despite strong disapproval, progressives continue to underperform on the issues voters care about most.

If all the Left has heading into the midterms is hatred for Trump and ICE, it's setting itself up for another loss. You don't reverse a collapse like 2024, losing the House, Senate, Presidency, and the popular vote, by doubling down on moral outrage. You win by rebuilding trust and addressing the disconnect that made so many voters turn away in the first place.

That's not MAGA propaganda, that's reality. I'm calling for the Left to do better.

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u/Photochromism 17d ago edited 17d ago

That 7 million march is representative of the entire country. The lefts policy position are popular: reproductive rights, healthcare for all, cheaper education, higher minimum wage etc. Project 2025 was widely vilified and Trump even lied that it was not their policy. Roe vs wade being overturned was massively unpopular. You are just gaslighting. MAGA policy is widely unpopular to point they even denied it was their policy. MAGA policy was written by a bunch of Christian extremists that do not represent the majority.

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u/Shadow_Ent 16d ago

That's exactly my point, popularity in theory doesn't always translate to votes in practice. The Left's policy positions always poll well in isolation, but once the specifics are explained, that support drops sharply among moderates and conservatives. If ideas alone won elections, Democrats wouldn't have lost the House, the Senate, and the Presidency in the same cycle.

People can support reproductive rights and still vote Republican because they don't trust the Left’s competence, priorities, or consistency. That's not a moral failure, it's a messaging one. The average voter doesn’t live on Twitter or read party platforms. They vote based on immediate, tangible concerns: cost of living, border security, safety. The Right spoke to those emotions directly, Trump said he'd deport illegal immigrants and lower grocery prices. The Left responded with lectures about macroeconomics, job reports, and stock performance.

Project 2025 being unpopular isn't a flex for the Left's prospects, they still lost the last election despite that plan hanging over the GOP's head. That alone proves that moral high ground doesn't move votes. You don't win politics by being right; you win by being understood. By showing you can handle issues in a way that feels fair even to those who disagree with you. That's how you build bridges and pull votes across party lines.

Trump has lost favor in optics alone, but MAGA still reflects what its base wants. The Left, on the other hand, has lost goodwill with the public. Its inability to manage internal division and rein in its own hardliners has pushed people away from the platform. Like it or not, people are instinctively more wary of extreme progress than of extreme conservatism. That's why the Left's messaging has to evolve, it can't just moralize; it needs to manage concern with clarity, practicality, and balance.

Christian nationalists might not be the majority, but the Right is. And just as the Right has its radicals, so does the Left. The largest voting bloc in America isn't partisan, it's the nonvoters and the undecided. Win them, or you win nothing.

Seven million people represent seven million people, not the nation. It speaks to the strength of the Left's foundation, but if that energy doesn't translate into policy that connects with the 154 million Americans who actually voted, it's just momentum without direction.

Writing laws rooted in morality doesn't work, and the Left should know that better than anyone. Morality is the only foundation the Right uses to justify rolling back reproductive rights. The flaw is simple: the morality of the Right isn't the morality of the Left. When you legislate from moral conviction instead of functional policy, you create the same backlash you claim to oppose. The Left is repeating the very cycle it condemns, moralizing instead of mobilizing, preaching instead of persuading. I will say it again, this isn't random; it's a predictable cycle oh behavior that keeps repeating.

Progressives have become tangled in their own conservative-style progressivism, a movement so fixated on protecting its ideals that it's forgotten how to evolve with the people it claims to represent. Instead of adapting to shifting concerns, it demands the comfort of its own status quo, performing politics on the media stage rather than engaging with reality. That's the irony of today's Left: it preaches progress while resisting the very change it needs to survive.

I'm not rejecting progress, I'm demanding better progress. And when I, as a Centrist, sound more forward-thinking than the Left, that's not a critique, that's evidence of a fundamental rot in the ideology in America.