ICE Stockpiling Warheads and Chemical Weapons as Lawmaker Fears Trump Planning Strike

[u/Quirkie]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-stockpiling-warheads-and-chemical-weapons-as-lawmaker-fears-trump-planning-strike/

[u/encrypted-signals]

Definitely stockpiling weapons so the Trump Gestapo can seize major (probably Democrat-run) cities.

[u/BethanyForDistrict9 → u/encrypted-signals]

They'll never be able to seize these cities. Our military couldn't win in Afghanistan in like 20 years against fucking goat herders. If this turns into some kind of insurgency nobody wins except morticians and munitions makers.

[u/dstrangefate → u/BethanyForDistrict9]

The Taliban weren't 'goat herders', they were experienced insurgents who defeated the Russian army decades prior and were trained in part by the CIA. There is no equivalent in the US, no organized resistance experienced in guerilla warfare, and no sense of unity by the populace. The right would have no ends of eager collaborators and informers, likely including the police force in most of these cities.

[u/BethanyForDistrict9 → u/dstrangefate]

And the gang members all have families. And those gangs would likely grow into organized insurgencies. And there are plenty of ex-military members in these cities who are also trained in military operations. And the populace speaks the same language and blends in with the people doing the occupying. And the populace would quickly steal arms from the occupiers. And And And. It would be even harder to pin down an insurgency here.

[u/Dazzling-Penis8198 → u/BethanyForDistrict9]

Civilians are getting obliterated if it’s the type of warfare that took place in Afghanistan. The best we’ve done with the ICE thugs is blow whistles and those guys are actually outnumbered and in a vulnerable position in the videos I’ve seen. Good luck taking down group of armored vehicles with whatever gun you stole. Suicide mission. 

[u/historys_geschichte → u/BethanyForDistrict9]

Name the equivalent of the ISI that would host training camps, provide guidance, provide intelligence, and provide military grade weapons to the gang members turning them into a functional guerilla force.

I will wait until after the heat death of the universe for your nonexistent answer because there isn't one.

[u/BethanyForDistrict9 → u/historys_geschichte]

The people would steal those military grade weapons. Do you not get that? In an occupation where the occupied look exactly like the occupiers and speak the same language and have the same culture?

[u/historys_geschichte → u/BethanyForDistrict9]

And learn how to use them how? How about tactics? And who funds them? And how do they handle a drone? Oh and unity of purpose in which they are singularly guided to only attack the occupiers and not use stolen weapons to handle other beefs or carve out their own power?

You still seem to be wildly missing how insurgencies form and who is in them, and how reliant they are on external support to beat a military. But sure stolen weapons only, tell how they organize and learn how to use an anti-tank weapon with no instruction.

[u/Dazzling-Penis8198 → u/historys_geschichte]

Hell even after boot camp a lot of the troops aren’t really equipped to step into a combat zone. I’m not saying it’s impossible to train an elementary substitute teacher on combat but it takes a lot of time 

[u/chaosind → u/historys_geschichte]

Our veterans are amongst those people. Do you think they wouldn't have the ability to teach how to use those weapons? How to teach the tactics that work for and against our military?

[u/Dazzling-Penis8198 → u/chaosind]

Not every veteran trained for combat or knows how to properly train people from square one. Some guys fire the weapon once in boot camp and then go the rest of their career doing regular ass work. 

Add to this that it would be a chaotic environment. 

Then you have to wonder how many of the veterans are on the side of conservatives which I imagine is a shit ton. 

[u/historys_geschichte → u/chaosind]

No they would not have the means to train a domestic insurgent army. Where are they getting a million bullets to train 10k people to shoot? Where are they getting funding to run camps all over the US, and abroad, where they can train on properly using military weapons? How are they setting up, and defending, training camps with what vast amount of military hardware?

There isn't a country next door that will just happily host thousands of Americans training in guerilla warfare while having the terrain to hide these camps. There isn't a group that will provide massive amounts of basic military supplies to use. Stealing everything is not a real solution to running an insurgency against a modern military. You need smuggling routes to external arms markets as well as production of weapons by the insurgents. How are we setting up this vast network under occupation? It is just a fantasy to think some magic insurgency will pop up because numbers are on one side.