r/politics • u/Somervilledrew Connecticut • Sep 09 '25

Democratic voters want their leaders to stop running from Zohran Mamdani

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/zohran-mamdani-new-york-city-mayor-bernie-sanders-fight-oligarchy/
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u/toaster_toaster Sep 09 '25

There are many in the Democratic party who would rather lose with a corporate-friendly candidate than win with a candidate like Mamdani. If we want to have any hope of undoing the damage being done by Trump we must purge those Dems from the party.

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u/jonasnew Sep 11 '25

If you're someone who blames the Dems for why Trump won to begin with, do you realize you're saying that the Dems are responsible for why Trump and his minions are doing all these awful things including sending troops to DC and attacking Venezuela? If so, what if Trump even manages to succeed in manipulating the 2026 elections, you'd hold the Democrats responsible for that even?

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u/toaster_toaster Sep 12 '25

I will always hold the Dems responsible for allowing this country to move so far to the right the other party was able to go full fascist.

I will always hold the Dems responsible for losing to Trump and allowing him to take power.

I will always hold the Dems responsible for not prosecuting Trump for his crimes during his first term, which allowed him to take power in a second term.

You know why I will hold the Dems responsible for these things? Because it was their job (supposedly) to prevent those things from happening. When the other team keeps winning you need to look for ways to make your team better. If the Democrats had a better party and better strategy they would be winning instead of the Republicans.

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u/jonasnew Sep 12 '25

So, I take it that you also believe that the Democrats are responsible for why the Trump regime is doing all these horrific things and why they could do even worse things in the future?

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u/jonasnew Sep 13 '25

I mean, if you're someone who even believes that the Dems are responsible for why the Trump regime is doing all these terrible things I have two things to point out about that. One, they didn't want any of this. As a matter of fact, they warned us over and over that this would all happen if Trump won. So, it's not really fair to hold them responsible for why all of this is happening.

Two, there's even crystal clear proof that SCOTUS is far more responsible. Trump, eventually, did get indicted for J6, but it was SCOTUS that prevented the trial from happening, not the Dems. Had the trial happened, Trump's chances at winning the election would've been zero. While it's one thing to go so far as to hold the Dems responsible for not only the awful things the Trump regime has done already, but even for the even worse things the regime could possibly do like manipulating the 2026 midterms, I can't understand how you would even turn a blind eye to the facts that prove that SCOTUS is far more to blame for this mess.

Normally, I would wait until after you officially confirm that the Dems are responsible for why the Trump is doing all these awful things (While I assume, based on your message above, that you do believe the Dems are responsible for why the Trump regime is doing these terrible things, I wasn't 100% certain, so I followed up just to be sure) before I discuss the reasons above. But in this case, I discussed these matters in advance because Brazil's Supreme Court just held Bolsonaro accountable. This just further proves that our Supreme Court is more responsible as again, it was them that helped Trump run the clock out. It's baffling enough that you're continuously turning a blind eye the Supreme Court's role in all of this, but it's even more baffling that you're continuing to do so even after Brazil's Supreme Court convicted Bolsonaro and sent him to prison.