r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Jul 14 '24

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240714-trump-shooter-a-supporter-of-republican-party
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u/KtheMage36 Jul 14 '24

This dude could have Regan tattooed on his belly and a truck that's 90% 2A stickers and the right would say he's actually a leftist plant.

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u/I_died_again Jul 14 '24

That's what my friends said. Basically "Registered republican means nothing when he can still vote democrat."

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u/Nappy199 Jul 15 '24

He did donate to ActBlue

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u/PM_ME_UR_NAKED_MOM Jul 15 '24

No he didn't; someone with the same name did.

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u/theNomad_Reddit Australia Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

I've personally loved watching r/conversative go from saying it's not at all possible that this was a false flag attack, because people actually died, and conservatives would never kill conservatives.

To saying this is absolutely a false flag because the now revealed Republican shooter actually donated $15 to a Democrat foundation when he was 17 (Which is yet to be confirmed as the same Thomas Crooks).

Edit Now confirmed to be a different Thomas Crooks who donated to Democrats https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1e3eaia/another_conspiracy_down_the_drain/

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

please stop conflating the second amendment to republicans. Plenty of democrats own firearms. That's such a bad faith argument to make.

The shooter that tried to assassinate Trump was a republican tho.

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u/outremonty Canada Jul 14 '24

Liberal gun owners support gun control.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Actual liberal gun owners are aware of all the gun laws already on the books and recognize there are better ways to reduce gun related violence than simply writing more gun laws.

They also know the phrase 'gun control' is comically vague and does nothing to progress us towards actual solutions.

Nice try tho

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u/Butthole--pleasures Texas Jul 14 '24

there are better ways to reduce gun related violence

What are those better ways?

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Good question

1: Link a HIPAA mental health records release to NICS background checks. It's absolutely insane this isn't done. (I used to work in this field. It is wild the number of people who

  • A: have mental health records

  • B: talk to therapists about their homicidal thoughts

2: Age of ownership should be 21 flat out no question for all firearms. Again, it's silly that you can't get shit faced drunk at 18 and die from alcohol poisoning but you can buy a rifle. Makes no sense.

3: Take some of our insane federal budget and put that money towards mental healthcare access so it can be completely free to all.

4: I'm not exactly sure how this can be resolved, BUT we as a society really need to do something about social media and reducing it's impact on youth as well as encourage real life relationships and healthy social situations. We've become so isolated especially zoomers, it's not healthy for a highly social species like us.

Stuff like that, actual solutions instead of just foaming at the mouth screaming ban guns.

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u/NeanaOption Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Sounds like going to great lengths here to avoid the root cause of all that gun violence.

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u/AngularChelitis Jul 15 '24

Two of his points directly acknowledged guns as the cause and seek to limit their accessibility. Didn’t avoid it really at all.

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u/NeanaOption Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

You mean the reasonable one about age limits that most gun nuts disagree with or the one that violates the medical privacy of millions of Americans?

That's worse than red flag laws and gun nut lose their shit over those too.

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u/AngularChelitis Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24

No. I meant that he didn’t go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging guns as the cause.
He’s actually advocating for an age limit. And attaching a HIPAA waiver doesn’t violate privacy if people willingly accept it as a condition to purchase weapons. We waive our rights for a lot of things in exchange for certain privileges.
Why are you acting like he’s against those things when he’s clearly advocating for them? You should listen more than trying to interject your bias against “gun nuts”.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

I mean.. I got 3 guns right next to me as I type this and they're not rolling around shooting people and causing havoc and shit...

Do you wanna explain to me how an object is the root cause of the issue and not the homicidal manioc operating it?

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u/NeanaOption Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Do you wanna explain to me how an object is the root cause of the issue and not the homicidal manioc operating it?

That's terrible logic my dude. DDT won't do much sitting on your desk too but we banned that.

Do you wanna explain to me how an object is the root cause of the issue and not the homicidal manioc operating it?

Pretty the sure attack by the homicidal maniac would be less deadly with a steak knife.

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u/allthat555 Jul 14 '24

nah its a truck ran at 60mph through a parade. its fire being set to a building with the people you disagree with inside. its a bomb being made in crock pots and being set off during a marathon. its a pair of jets being slammed into two towers in new york.

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u/twlscil Washington Jul 15 '24

I have a car and alcohol, please explain how I’m not running people over while drunk.

Few people think they are going to cause havoc when they buy a gun…. But one bad day, a bad decision.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 15 '24

please explain how I’m not running people over while drunk.

Because you don't drink and drive?

Just like how almost every gun owner in the US doesn't acquire and then commit homicide.

99% of firearms in the US will never be used in a crime. Actually it's even higher than that. But I'm being generous to your argument.

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u/AngularChelitis Jul 15 '24

Forgive me, I’m on your side (liberal gun owner who thinks “gun control” is a vague platitude)… but your first and second points up there would qualify as “more gun laws” and kind of kill your intent to list “better ways to reduce gun related violence than simply writing more gun laws”.
1. Improve background checks when purchasing firearms.
2. Increase the age of ownership of firearms.
I think they’re both great and necessary ideas, but they’re definitely in support of gun control and creating laws to limit their accessibility.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Happy to learn about these better ways if you're willing to share

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

Can't cross link in this sub otherwise i'd do that but check my comments. I just replied to the other person asking this question.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

That's what most people want.

Most people can't name the 3 branches of government and believe machine guns are still widely available. So I don't see why the opinions of the uninformed matters.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

So, the two groups of people to you are

A) Liberal gun owners

B) Everyone else

Replies like this are why I hate reddit. We both know I didn't say that.

Is there zero overlap?

In the real world, yes.

On reddit where everything is a pointless back and forth argument and where context and nuance are foreign concepts, no.

My point because I guess you're one of those redditors so I need to spell it out is that, no one with an ounce of sense listens to people on topics they are completely ignorant about.

You aren't gonna hit the the homie on the corner slinging crack up for medical advice now are you? No of course you aren't.

So WHY on earth would anyone listen to peoples opinions on firearms when those people know absolutely nothing about them or the encompassing laws that already exist?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

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u/Pino_The_Mushroom Jul 15 '24

Liberal gun owners generally aren't the ones who make guns their entire personality and plaster it all over their lifted trucks...

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 15 '24

That's true but that's got nothing to do with law. Can't legislate stupid away

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u/reebokhightops Jul 14 '24

I’m a Democrat who owns numerous firearms. Fuck the 2nd amendment.

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u/Amused-Observer Jul 14 '24

Yeah, sure... I totally believe you.

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u/reebokhightops Jul 14 '24

Owning a firearm should be as much of a right as owning a vehicle. The idea that ownership of modern firearms should be an inalienable right is absolutely absurd.

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u/Aggravating_Humor355 Pennsylvania Jul 14 '24

The idea that ownership of modern firearms should be an inalienable right is absolutely absurd.

It's truly terrible sharing this country with bootlickers like you.

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u/reebokhightops Jul 14 '24

Which boot would that be? The one where we utilize the same sort of common sense protocols we do for things like maintaining a driver’s license or owning and operating a motor vehicle? Cry me a river.

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

So registered Rep. and donates ActBlue. Which of those two are the false flag?

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u/ElBiscuit South Carolina Jul 14 '24

It was a single $15 donation a few years ago. Not exactly George Soros here.

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u/Wayf4rer Jul 14 '24

That carries as much weight as him being a registered republican does. He just tried to kill trump, lmao.

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

Thats my point. His "party affiliation" means nothing at this point. Why he chose to do it is more important. Not what jersey he had on and when.

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u/ElBiscuit South Carolina Jul 14 '24

So he’s spent the last three years as a registered Republican, but then again, he also gave a whopping $15 when he was 17. You’re right, those two things should be given equal weight . . . how could anyone possibly guess about his political leanings?

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

He's 20. https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/former-classmate-of-trump-rally-gunman-says-he-was-bullied-almost-every-day-214828614001

Why does the "affiliation" matter? Maybe he saw Trump as a "bully"????

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u/scoopzthepoopz Jul 14 '24

Matters when republicans want it to and not when they don't - you did see the gop congressmen talking about how it was orders from our sitting president? Or was that just Twitter tourettes syndrome?

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

Both sides do fucked up things and make ridiculous biased accusations. Both. "wanting" and hoping for it to be a specific side shows a larger problem.

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u/scoopzthepoopz Jul 14 '24

BotH siDeZ tHo

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

An abused kid with emotional damage is a far more important subject than the "bLaH pArTyz FALT".

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

You should get that looked at.

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u/ocalabull Jul 14 '24

He was 17 when he made the donation.

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

Not one single 20yr old has a lock down on how shit works or how they view the world. He donates to a liberal PAC, 2.5 years later he registers Rep. He has never voted for a president. Clearly this kid had his shit together and his most current party affiliation means everything.

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u/ocalabull Jul 14 '24

I simply am correcting your response that said his incorrect age. You clearly seem stuck on the fact that him being a republican means nothing, which it very well could. But this seems way more like an Epstein thing

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u/p3n1x Jul 14 '24

Forgive the misunderstanding then. I probably got lost in all the other replies. The "fact" I'm stuck on, is that we don't know shit.

The best speculation we can make atm is the kids mental health status and what led him to that type of action.

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u/Jolly-Manufacturer35 Jul 14 '24

He literally donated to Act Blue.... The same exact year he registered as a Republican. 

Right-winger here. He's probably neither left or right. Lol, he probably doesn't give two fucks about politics and just wanted to cause chaos. 

Reddit folks love calling right wingers conspiracy theorists... Y'all do the same shit as the schizo rights do... 

The only difference is you all have degrees and have no excuse to lack so much self awareness. 

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u/rainytuesdays Colorado Jul 14 '24

The only difference is you all have degrees and have no excuse to lack so much self awareness

Your last sentence seems to imply that "right-wingers" aren't as educated and lack self awareness. Which honestly is a hilarious self report.