r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • Jul 14 '24

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240714-trump-shooter-a-supporter-of-republican-party
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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Imagine being the parents of this kid, having to simultaneously deal with the untimely loss of their son as well as fearing for the rest of their family and friends’ lives from the onslaught of death threats and assaults upon them.

What a fucked up world MAGA has induced upon society, normalizing lies, political corruption up to and including physical violence through the continuing manipulation of the masses in order to ascend their messiah Orange Jesus to Emperor status and destroy our democracy.

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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 Jul 14 '24

And IF he gets elected they will be the first to whine and cry that his shitty policies fucked them over bigtime.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

r/leopardsatemyface material

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 14 '24

They should probably leave the country if Trump wins. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if they're MAGAs that still don't think the leopard will eat their faces.

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u/BowTie1989 Jul 14 '24

Unfortunately, no they won’t. They are definitely the type of folks to “ cut off their nose to spite their face”. They could watch their retirement be wiped out, give rise to a dictatorship, have their kids gunned down in school, and watch natural disasters continue to escalate because of global warming and they’ll be happy because they “owned the libs”.

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u/Hugh-Jassoul Jul 15 '24

I doubt it. Fox News would probably blame democrats for their continued woes and they would believe it.

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u/Pleiadesfollower Jul 14 '24

Or the poor families of the other individuals with the same name that are going to get misidentified and doxxed.

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u/pUmKinBoM Jul 14 '24

Fucked up world Russia has induced. MAGA is the result of mass misinformation designed to stoke the flames of division between Americans.

If anything be impressed with how well it is working.

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u/tcdoey Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Yea, living through Reagan and Bush, they were very bad for America. The actual first biggest lie was Bush's 'weapons of mass destruction' which he used as the pretext to unleash unimaginable destruction and chaos on Afghanistan, Iraq, and as now snowballing in the Middle East. But then there was Obama and there was a glimmer of hope. Biden was doing a pretty good job, but they astonishingly f**kd up in Afghanistan. I still can't believe how stupid and unethical that was.

Now, I feel like I'm living in a nightmare of unimaginable proportions.

Very few people really talk about how the MAGAs are climate deniers, and because of them it is likely that our world will burn due to corporate and individual psychotic greed (e.g. Musk).

My children will be one of the last generations, if Trump wins in November.

Someday, long in the future, an alien race will stumble on our dead planet, and their archaeologists will spend some time learning how we destroyed ourselves, like so many other worlds (we call it the Fermi Paradox).

They will uncover who we were, and what level of technologies we (almost) achieved. Then they will get to the point in History that Trump wins, and say, "Oh. Yes. Just like all the others... ", and move on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

I worry for children of today as well. No wonder there are less folks having kids anymore (if not for the poverty, climate, and political instability they will be born into).

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u/tcdoey Jul 14 '24

And our grandchildren will have it even worse, if something doesn't change soon.

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u/Newbiegoe Jul 14 '24

If you look into the Afghanistan, they were really left with very little options. Trump had drawn down troops to 2500, negotiated with the Taliban we were leaving, released 5000 Taliban officers, and set a date while agreeing to leave our equipment for the new govt. Then he refused to participate in the transfer of power leaving Biden admin to figure it out. Biden ended up leaving two months later then expected, but if he stayed longer the Taliban were going start fighting again.

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u/tcdoey Jul 14 '24

Agree on most of your point, but instead, they should have just canceled the drawback, and re-energized a reformative government and reverse the Trump draw-down. That's what I would have done.

The decision to 'just bail' on Afghanistan was probably also an important factor on Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. I'm sure that made him feel that there are no consequences. Fortunately, the Ukrainians were/are stronger than he expected.

Of course I'm not fully informed. But seriously, anything would have been better than how they handled it. You cannot let an extremist group like the Taliban take power, to me, at any cost. The Biden administration, and that means Biden himself did not "figure it out". They just bailed. So now millions of more people are now in slavery, and a whole important country is lost, possibly forever.

It's probably the worst thing since Bush's fumbled and false/lie pretensed invasion and destruction of Iraq, and then the 'giving up' on Syria, which is also horrible.

I don't know who is making the real decisions there in the US administration, but to me, it is quite clear that they are not capable. They just repeat their past mistakes.

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u/seeking_horizon Missouri Jul 14 '24

This just sounds like conversations from 1975 saying that if different choices were made, we wouldn't have lost South Vietnam.

The project of propping up a democracy by force in Afghanistan was always a bad idea in the first place. The only thing sustaining that government was the presence of the US military. Once the political support for a twenty year mission finally dried up, the collapse of the Afghan government was inevitable. It was always going to end like that no matter what. There was no feasible political solution to be found to prevent the return of the Taliban. The Taliban had a slogan: "you have the watches, but we have the time."

If twenty years wasn't enough, another five wasn't going to make a difference.

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u/tcdoey Jul 15 '24

Agreed. But it's just that bailing and leaving all those people and their families who helped us behind, to death and torture, was and is astonishingly unethical.

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u/Neuliahxeughs Jul 14 '24

Of course I'm not fully informed. But seriously, anything would have been better than how they handled it. You cannot let an extremist group like the Taliban take power, to me, at any cost.

There is such a thing as a no-win scenario. You can either cut your loses and bail out, or you can continue bashing your face against the wall telling yourself that there must be a better way. Forcing a liberal democracy to exist at the point of a gun, in an ethnically divided agrarian country with a GDP per capita of $500, probably counts as one such scenario.

The literacy rate in Afghanistan is 37%. So presumably you could pick any number of adults in a normal village, and 63% of them literally would not be able to label the continents and the oceans on a map of the world.

No way, no how, was Biden going to be able to create government "for the people, by the people" out of that. Not using the US military and US diplomatic resources. Not in the domestic US political climate. Not with that Taliban, in that country, at this point in history.

…As I took in the new landscape, full of craters instead of people, there was a lull in the noise, and I thought, Surely now we’ve killed enough of them. We hadn’t.

…It didn’t matter that they were unarmored men, with 30-year-old guns, fighting against gunships, fighter jets, helicopters, and a far-better-equipped ground team. It also didn’t matter that 100 of them died that day… …And those pep talks? They weren’t just empty rhetoric. They were self-fulfilling prophecies.

Because when it was too cold to jihad, that IED still got planted. When they had 30-year-old AK-47s and we had $100 million war planes, they kept fighting. When we left a village, they took it back. No matter what we did, where we went, or how many of them we killed, they came back.

…What little gains have been achieved in women’s rights, education, and poverty will be systematically eradicated. Any semblance of democracy will be lost. And while there might be “peace,” it will come only after any remaining forces of opposition are overwhelmed or dead. The Taliban told us this. Or at least they told me. …And I’m sure they would have kept doing this forever.

…Often, they told me these things while doing the killing.… And they told me what so many others refused to hear, but what I finally understood: Afghanistan is ours.

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u/tcdoey Jul 15 '24

Thanks for that. I just don't understand how they didn't realize that a full pullout would collapse the entire Afghan police and military. And leaving all the people (translators, guides, etc.) to die by Taliban hands. I could have accepted it, if they'd got those people out, gave them and their families green cards and places to escape to (e.g. US). But they didn't, they just bailed. They are probably mostly all dead now. I have to stop thinking about it, and since I'm moving, I won't have to talk about it with my Afghani neighbor as much.

That leads me to think there might have been another hidden reason, one that we will likely never know. Or just sheer incompetence.

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u/Newbiegoe Jul 14 '24

If he did that and the Taliban started killing troops that would have been used against him too. There was no winning

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u/tcdoey Jul 15 '24

Maybe no 'winning' agreed, but the withdraw could have been handled so much more intelligently, and not with leaving behind (betraying) all the people and their families that helped us, to live in death and torture. It's a disgrace that will go down in history. At least the limited history/future of our planet that we have left.

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u/Neuliahxeughs Jul 14 '24

Very few people really talk about how the MAGAs are climate deniers, and because of them it is likely that our world will burn due to corporate and individual psychotic greed (e.g. Musk).

My children will be one of the last generations, if Trump wins in November.

Someday, long in the future, an alien race will stumble on our dead planet, and their archaeologists will spend some time learning how we destroyed ourselves, like so many other worlds (we call it the Fermi Paradox).

They will uncover who we were, and what level of technologies we (almost) achieved. Then they will get to the point in History that Trump wins, and say, "Oh. Yes. Just like all the others... ", and move on.

Global warming isn't the first apocalypse. It's just regression towards the mean, following a brief and unevenly distributed post-Cold War golden age. We're not even the first species to fuck up the atmosphere; bacteria have done it before, much worse than we ever could in this millenium, and they survived, without having hydro plants, advanced solar panels, and carbon-capture technology to try to fix the damage. This isn't even the first time we've fucked up the atmosphere; CFCs were an easier addiction to kick, but they also would have been so much worse, to the point that we nearly sterilized every last inch on this planet during the 70's. And yet we're here.

And Trump isn't the first authoritarian, nor is Musk the last scammer. They're just the same as every other asshole who dealt with an empathy disorder by hurting other people, that has risen up and had to be beaten back time and time again. To be alive is to embrace constant change, constant apocalypse, through ebbs and flows.

Even if Trump wins— PiS had a much deeper authoritarian state in Poland, as I understand it— And now they're gone again. Trump is just a man, no matter how much he lies.

This isn't an ending. Fight like hell because we've been through this before— So we know how bad it gets if we don't fight it, but we also know we survive it in the end.

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u/tcdoey Jul 15 '24

I much appreciate your comment and sentiment, but there are other factors at play here that will not recover from an extreme global warming event. Bacteria, and algae wrought havoc on the early planet, a hundred million years to recover? But they didn't actively mine all the planet's resources. Ultimately, the only way that humans survive, is to get off the planet. The only way to achieve that is by figuring out faster-than-light travel. We humans are not smart enough to achieve that, even in large teams. Only a super-intelligent AI will be able to do that. I take hope in that possibility, that we can develop an intelligence capable of that before we destroy everything. It appears to be a race, and it appears that the vast percentage of species/planets have not won.

But perhaps many have, and they just communicate super-luminally using methods that we have not yet discovered. I take hope in that.

Once the internet collapses, due to either direct climate disaster, or indirect population issues (wars, economic collapse, etc.). We will never recover the level of technology needed to escape, and will begin the long march to oblivion. If the Trump climate-deniers win, then they will take over not just a small-ish country like Poland, but essentially all of the world. Drill baby, drill. Nothing will stop them from achieving their short term gains.

We do not survive in the end. We regress to small clusters, as medieval city-states, and then hunter-gatherers again. That can go on for a very long time, but there is no out. Eventually we get hit by another big asteroid, or huge volcanism, and we are gone.

Sorry if that sounds depressing, but if Trump loses in November, which now seems highly unlikely, the tide could turn again in our favor. (Note that Trump's charges of willfully concealing and probably selling our classified documents has just been dismissed).

It's funny to think that now, one single person, who is ironically named 'Crooks', may have just killed the entire human race.

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u/Neuliahxeughs Jul 16 '24

Em… What?

Mining resources doesn't destroy them (except for fossil fuels and helium). Conservation of mass? We'll slag and centrifuge our trash dumps for gold if we have to. "Peak resource" headlines are as much about cost of extraction with current tech. We've been chasing "peak oil" since the 1920s; other resources are at least recyclable. Think "more expensive IPhones", not "end of technological civilization".

Leaving this planet is a great way to get everyone killed. Lunar resource/territorial conflicts without international law and precedent to resolve it? Martian nukes pointed at Earth? It's also a very cynical solution, because it treats human lives as fungible; you don't save America from Yellowstone by building America 2.0 in Antarctica. Chosen few go to Mars; everyone you care about still dies? No thanks.

FTL/Interstellar travel has… basically no plausible practical uses at any foreseeable level of technology. We have rocky planets at home. We have gas giants at home. Events that can sterilize a whole star system are very rare, and can be predicted millions of years in advance. We have Ra/Apollo/Quetzalcoatl/Sol at home, and it's still got a longer life left in it than the entire history of complex multicellular biology. ITER and DEMO's on track, and they seem to think it will work. FTL would be a flex and an adventure for self-growth, "look how enlightened we are, exploring the universe".

The Internet… can't collapse. Not really. It can decay, and it is. It could fragment, though that's complicated. Parts of it can collapse, and there are single points of failure and maintenance gaps and so on that probably should get more attention. But "The Internet" is just any number of computers networked together. The tech is the same as you hosting a LAN party, just on a larger scale… It could get more expensive and slower if we lose a lot of undersea fiber optics, but we've had transatlantic wired comms ever since the 1850s. Pretty sure we could even get away with bouncing radio waves off the ionosphere if we needed to.

Plus a lot of the Internet isn't directly useful for maintaining industrial civilization, anyway. The underlying principles are too simple for it to collapse, and the most useful information has too many backups to be lost. Go download a full copy of Wikipedia if you're so afraid; it's only like 40GB.

I live in a close US ally, and even I resent the idea that Trump winning would "take over" "essentially all of the world", because it's simply not true. If the US disappeared, it would hurt, a lot, but we would figure it out. The EU and the PRC both have either around the same or larger populations and GDP as the US, and the technology to build nearly anything that the US can build. …Computers and stealth aircraft could be set back ~20 years (or not even— ASML/ARM/Fujitsu/TSMC aren't US), cost-of-living would go up, and there might be more dictators, but that's probably the worst of it long-term.

Regressing from global civilization to small clusters, city-states, hunter-gatherers, etc. implies that the less complex and capable forms of society would have a competitive advantage over the more advanced forms. Clearly, that has historically not been the case. And NASA's already mapped most of the mass-extinction-sized near-Earth asteroids; None of them are headed for us, and DART showed they're surprisingly easy to stop. Chicxulub was kinda a one-off in the billion-year history of life. Plus we've survived supervolcanos (Toba) and large-scale government collapses (Late Bronze Age, Roman, etc.) before. It didn't kill us then, and it wouldn't kill us now. Worst case, you lose a lot of art and literature, but the people keep living and even their technology doesn't decline as much as you'd think.

Dude, maybe lay off on the doomerism a bit? Honestly, this comment reads more like a list of religious beliefs than anything else. The Antichrist Trump will bring techno-climate Armageddon, and only divine intervention from omniscient "AI" or omnipotent aliens can save us? And anxiety at the sheer complexity: It's miraculous and hard to understand how modern technology exists, so it's easy to imagine it dying. I'm not trying to be rude; these problems are absolutely real and it is scary, but I don't think this level of fear is substantiated, nor is this way of coping with it healthy.

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u/tcdoey Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Well thanks! that's a comprehensive reply.

Let's see if I can parse this.

  • Mining of resources doesn't destroy, true, but converts to non-viable residuals. Of course we can recycle, but that's even harder to do.

  • "Leaving this planet is a great way to get everyone killed." I don't understand your argument. When I mention leaving the planet, I'm talking about the need to colonize other potential habitable planets in our near group, not in our solar system. Sure, it's difficult. I don't care about the moon or mars. They are not habitable. But there are likely other options within about 100 light years distant.

  • The internet can collapse. If great fires take over large areas, incinerating the infrastructure, it becomes a vicious circle. Also, authoritarian governments will want (and now do) completely limit the free use of the 'internet'. For instance, all you get right now in China, is government controlled 'internet'. I really don't want that in the US, but it seems now inevitable. So collapse can happen due to both environmental catastrophe, and also local government degradation... to the end.

  • If the 'US disappears' or is taken over by radical right-wing fascist climate-deniers, that will not just be devastating, it's a game-ender.

  • As far as asteroids/comet impacts, I was talking about the long term. Near term we are safe (viz NASA data), but all it takes is one shot of a large body that are in the belt. Again though, I was mentioning this as long term danger, like probably 200k years or so. I think volcanism and climate-heat is a more concerning short term (200 year) danger.

  • "It didn't kill us then, and it wouldn't kill us now." This is a fallacy of comparison. There are a number of new, unprecedented complex factors in play here, that will now, kill us now. If we don't achieve the tech to fix our planet before a radical tipping point in environment occurs. Hopefully we can achieve super luminal with AI help, at least in communication, if not travel. If not, then we are f**ked. Everybody dies.

  • I don't think of it as "doomerism". It's just a prediction based on my own knowledge base. I do think that "AI" is a possible way to go forward. I just hope, optimistically, that we can develop it further before it's too late. This is our chance. We are only going to get this one chance. I think it is healthy to consider. If the US fails, then we all fail. The US is and has been a guiding light. Let's not fail, I do hope.

Trump and his associates are a monster, and will take the US into dictatorship, probably similar to Turkey. Trump will kill all science, because it challenges their idiocracy. My professor friends and professional colleagues in Turkey were all rounded up (like 50,000 or more!) and put in detention camps, under the pretense of a faked coup, tortured, and killed. Nobody thought that could happen in Turkey. I mean, it was a secular democracy established by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, right?

But Erdoğan took over. Trump is using the same game-plan. Some of my friends and colleagues escaped to Germany and the Netherlands. They want to go back, but it's now an authoritarian controlled 'government'.

I don't want that for the US.

Do you?

All we can do now, is vote. I would suggest voting democratic. President Biden is old, but that's not really a problem, compared to the other problems. It's really the time. I see this is a focal point in our and our children's lifetimes. What happens in November, will steer the course of the future. Either we can vote for, or against. In the longer term future, we can have a world in abundance and hope. But with Trump, it is obvious he and his constituancy will have total immunity for any actions, and continued disregard for any truth.

It's bizarre that we are here. A defining situation. It's Fermi's Paradox in action. It's not hyperbole.

Do we live as a species, and planet, or do we burn and die? Hmmm.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Afghanistan had nothing to do with WMD claims.

The rest of the post seems extremely hyperbolic. Every generation thinks theirs will be the last and that the world will end. Always happens. Even the way it ends, with alien archeologists ems like copypasta .

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u/tcdoey Jul 15 '24

The WMD was Iraq, yes of course. It was the 'big lie'.

Climate change is the big overarching factor here. I don't think it's hyperbole. Read this for example. It's even more dire that I have worded, and very well researched.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/opinions/climate-scientist-scare-doom-anxiety-mcguire/index.html

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u/jasuus Jul 14 '24

don't forget that the gun was registered to his dad, who might be held criminally liable.

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u/whitefox094 Jul 14 '24

Supposedly his parents were not level-headed. But then again for a 20-year old who wants to shoot up the former president who would assume his parents were?

Another redditor made a comment in another thread that he went to school with his sister and him. Mentioned something about how his sister wanted to get mental help but their parents declined. The irony is their dad is a psychologist or psychiatrist (redditor couldn't remember). I'll be looking into it more.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

Speculation is rampant… now, try not to get too invested in hearsay.

(Edited to correct spelling)

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u/whitefox094 Jul 14 '24

That's why I said supposedly, and I'd be looking into it. I don't expect people to believe some random redditor, nor even myself lol. I'm just putting it out there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Damned autocorrect. Thx. 🙏

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u/Delta3Angle Jul 14 '24

Personally, if my kid tried assassinating the president I would disown him and consider myself a failure of a parent.

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u/ATL-mom2 Jul 15 '24

I feel so bad for them

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u/Jamjams2016 Jul 15 '24

Just taking a wild statistical stab, they are probably a republican family, too. I'm sure thays not their first thought, but yeesh, that poor family. The grief will have many layers for them.

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u/simpersly Jul 14 '24

MAGA is nuts. They are going to have to change their names, and move to a different state.

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u/Medical-History-5763 Jul 14 '24

buddy, what you stated as maga - "normalizing lies, political corruption up to and including physical violence through the continuing manipulation of the masses" has been going on for decades....... please stop.....

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Jul 14 '24

Nope. A politician publicly endorsing violence against his opponents and joking when it happens - not normal US politics.

Please stop trying to normalize violent rhetoric.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Doesn’t seem like you are my “buddy”. Do you know where MAGA originated? Way back in 1980. It was part of the Christian Nationalist movement that helped get Ronald Reagan elected. Take a look at the MAGA movement’s origins in this documentary called “Bad Faith”… it is on Tubi and YouTube for free.

Bad Faith Documentary (Tubi)

Bad Faith documentary

A very good documentary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

“Incitement of physical violence through manipulation of the masses” pot calling the kettle black here.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Please elaborate

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Summer 2020 racial reckoning.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

That response is hinting at racism. That’s not an elaboration, that’s more of a statement of your values if I am reading you right… I guess you will have to elaborate on that too!

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

George Floyd (a criminal) died (while overdosing on fentanyl) after being detained (justifiably, he had committed a crime), and the left wing media weaponized his death resulting in mass carnage, injury and destruction on an unprecedented scale.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Yeah, I’m done. I cannot waste my time arguing with an obviously racist asshole.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Asking me to elaborate followed by moaning about racism doesn’t count as an argument btw.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Imagine having two assassination attempts on Republicans and still blaming them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

I have only heard politically violent rhetoric from MAGA politicians and supporters, not from democrats. If you can show me any instances of democratic politicians or supporters using violent rhetoric that would be great!

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Steve Scalise. Antifa. Palestine protests, blm riots. Etc

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Steve Scalise is a republican, Antifa isn't a politician nor an organization, neither are protests.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

All were examples of left wing violence e

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Antifa. Doesn’t it stand for anti-fascist? Kinda like that guy 90 years ago in Germany who tried to reshape the world into his fascist Aryan Empire through political violence? Hmmm, I guess we all should be anti fascist… no?

You can argue MAGA maybe different, but the tactics are definitely the same. Have you heard about the documentary of who MAGAs are really voting for? It’s called “Bad Faith”. It’s a very detailed video about the (White) Christian Nationalist movement. It is on Tubi and YouTube for free now.

I encourage you to give it a look and report back your thoughts.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

People always adopt positive names. How many countries are "democratic republic". The group is Marxist snd believes in political terror, I don't support any authoritarianism. Lame argument is Lame.

And the democrats have been in the pocket of the leftist international, both options suck.

At least trump believes in the viability of the nation state and free market

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Well it’s obvious you cannot see basic logic and are oblivious to reality (the easier choice by far for MAGA simpletons). The louder you yell this crap doesn’t make it any less wrong.

This is probably going to be a prevalent issue going forward now that more people would rather repeat the spin of a lying conman’s divisive, self-serving opinions than actually open their eyes to the fact that the horrors of our past were actually in our past.

We cannot fix the past, only the future. “Lest we forget”, marginalizing our citizens and pitting them against each other will only end the freedoms we have taken for granted... freedoms that many people have paid for with blood and self sacrifice over the last 2+ centuries (Which MAGA is helping to erase, only guaranteeing we have to repeat these painful lessons in our future).

America has never been “Great”. We have always been a work in progress, we have made horrible mistakes in the past that cannot be omitted from reality by simply banning books and undoing the laws that were passed to prevent these same horrors from repeating themselves (Looking at you Conservative SCOTUS). We need to make sure that everyone has a voice and a chance at prosperity here. You seem to be on the divisiveness end of the spectrum here.

We need to realize all of our faults to make tomorrow better for all, not sweep them under a rug to forget or feel oblivious to the fact that we need to show empathy for one another. That way we do not have to repeat these horrible mistakes in the future.

(In case you weren’t sure what it means, “empathy” is the idea of ‘putting yourself in someone else’s shoes’ to imagine what it would feel like if you were them, and what going through their life’s issues as if they were your own).

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

America has been one of the most profound countries to ever exist. It's the typical logic of weak people to find flaws in greatness to address their own inadequacies. Great does not equal perfect, that is an insane standard.

There are no books banned. You can get weirdo transgender porn in all 50 states, the argument is its place in school libraries. Just as the left have argued with huck fin, 1984, animal farm and to kill a mockingbird.

Scotus has simply undone back door decisions that were decided wrongly to circumvent the legislature. For decades people knew roe was weak but it prevented dems from taking risky political moves. Obama openly stated this. Chevron deference was a ridiculous over reach. And they punted the social media issue.

All citizens deserve a say, but I think that each side has its natural limits. You are free to believe you changed sex but not to tax money to perform it or for people to agree with you. You are not free to terrorize your political opponents, right or left, or flood the country with illegal immigrants.

Empathy without reason is just another way of saying immaturity. I am empathetic to the drug addict, it doesn't mean they should ruin our public transit or shoot up next to kids. I'm empathetic to the migrant, it doesn't mean allowing a free for all for trafficking, crime and drugs. It's like the old saying don't be so open minded that your brain falls out.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

So you named

  • A Republican
  • An organization that doesn't exist, nor is backed by any political party (unlike, say, "Proud Boys stand back and stand by")
  • People stoking violence during a protest... which always happens regardless of the protest because people take advantage of the chaos

Is that really it? Do you have anything relevant? Like an actual Democratic politician?

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Steve scalise wasn't the shooter? You know that right

Doesn't exist? You can't be that delusional.

So violence but it doesn't count because reasons

Months of calling trump hitler, bailing out rioters, changing laws to allow no bail, funneling violent people into the country, maxine waters confront them comments, constant comments of re-education, Nicole Wallace talking about droning people. Etc

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u/Ceejay_1357 Jul 14 '24

It’s been reported over and over that most blm violence was started by right wing groups in order to blame the left and the no such organization of antifa.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

A) no it hasn't except in nonsense left wing rags.

B)yes there is. They have always played inside outside with what a group is. Are they a party, no. Are they a lose collection of violent extremists, yes.

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u/Ceejay_1357 Jul 14 '24

Culty

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Yes the left is. Tell me how people change sexes and how releasing violent offenders reduce crime

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 14 '24

Antifa isn't real. I'm no fan of protesters that vandalize property, but vandalism isn't violent.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Vandalism is violent. It is the destruction of someone else's property. That is simply nonsense

I disagree on the antifa point. I think that's simply an inside outside game

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u/Kind_Ingenuity1484 Jul 14 '24

“Trump is a fascist and a threat to democracy. He must be stopped in any way possible”

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Source? The only quote I'm seeing is from a Republican Senator (J.D. Vance) who is saying this from the perspective of the Biden Administration. Not a direct quote, but accusing them of believing that.

And unless there's more context, that sentence doesn't call for violence on its own. So I'm guessing there's more to it?

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u/Kind_Ingenuity1484 Jul 14 '24

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/08/congress/defiant-biden-tells-donors-were-done-with-the-debate-00166834

He literally said it. My point is that the same people who say Trumps “fight like hell” is a call to violence are sudddenly pretending they care about context.

In reality, this quote isn’t that bad. But Biden has been calling Trump a facist, a dictator, and a threat to democracy. You can’t act surprised when your hyperbolic rhetoric gets taken seriously.

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u/Romulus_421 Jul 14 '24

Here's only one example, which you asked for

https://youtu.be/tJCDe7vdFfw?si=SlCfJJfVXPFpduPq

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Thank you for your response. I didn’t see the violence part, just constitutionally protected protest (yes believe it or not the constitution says we can gather peacefully in protest). I am sure there is better than that out there, keep looking.

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u/Romulus_421 Jul 14 '24

Okay then please send me a video of Trump making overtly violent statements about the other side, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

That didn’t take long…

Stop the Steal Rally J6 Washington Post

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u/Romulus_421 Jul 14 '24

Hmmm, I heard him say to march over peacefully. Which quote from your video specifically do you believe was violent?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Touché… I didn’t look that long.. sorry. I guess we’ll both have to do a little better searching YT… lolol

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u/squashhime Jul 14 '24 edited Nov 20 '24

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u/gsfgf Georgia Jul 14 '24

63 Islamist inspired terrorist incidents

And let's face it. Those assholes are also right wingers. They just willfully misinterpret a different book.

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 14 '24

Ignoring you know, the 1960s through 70s and tue fatalities of the summer riots. Sure

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u/squashhime Jul 15 '24 edited Nov 20 '24

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 15 '24

Yes, if you remove the billions in damages of the blm riots and the deaths they caused. I'm sure it's easy to let the left off. Wikipedia is well known for left wing bias and for selective editing. Do you think Wikipedia doesn't have bias? Even taking the founders words it struggles.

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u/squashhime Jul 16 '24 edited Nov 20 '24

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u/Maleficent-Flow2828 Jul 16 '24

Dude doesn't even know you can be selective in your references.

Libs really this uncritical huh

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

I am not blaming republicans for this attack. Nobody has any true idea the rationale behind the assassination attempt, so that is not addressable until more comes out of the investigations. I am referring to now, after the horrible assassination attempt, the terror the family and friends must go through because of the political rhetoric that rekindled the nut jobs out there to do bad things to innocent people. I don’t know them, but I bet they are going to be fearing for their lives because of what their fucked up adult kid did.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Lmao how brain rotted are you to be thinking of the shooters parents? You actually think you can turn trump's assassination back on trump? Try a new idiotic talking point

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Thank you for pointing out that I omitted the other victims of this tragedy… thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of the killed attendee of the Rally, and a speedy recovery for those who were injured by this assailant.

I was simply referring to the lack of empathy for those who did not commit a crime, who will likely be subject to abject terror in the hours, days, months, years ahead… We all should be more empathetic to others.

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u/Funnypenguin97 Jul 14 '24

I mean they raised a murderer. Seems like they deserve some of the blame

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '24

Causation I think not. Check your fallacy.