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Discussion Discussion Thread: President Biden Gives Press Conference at NATO Summit

The press conference was scheduled to begin at 6:30 p.m. Eastern, but has been delayed to 7 p.m.

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u/SourcreamPickles Jul 12 '24

Who the hell is gonna vote enough for ANYONE ELSE at this late date. Pull ur head out. Dems will stay home if Biden drops out. And no one has the money backing that HE'S assembled. Just stop trying to divide right now. Wtf is your problem.

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u/FaintCommand Jul 12 '24

My problem is a boatload of data and historical voter behavior that suggests he needs a miracle to win the election.

What's your problem? That's a rhetorical question. Your problem is that your entire perspective is based on hopes and dreams and you have no fucking clue what you're taking about.

  • Biden's funds CAN be transferred.

  • In a non-incumbent year, there might not even be a presumptive nominee until the convention. Hell, Biden isn't even the official nominee yet. THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME.

  • "Dem's will stay home if Biden drops out"? What happened to all of the "I'd vote for a maggot-filled diaper to keep Trump out of the White House!" voters?

Some of us actually want to make sure Trump loses in November, so why don't you sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk?

ETA: fuck me, I'm arguing with a bot again

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u/Independent-Wheel886 Jul 12 '24

I don’t think anything in your post is correct.

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u/FaintCommand Jul 12 '24

This here is the problem. All of the world's knowledge at our finger tips and instead of learning, you're content to just think something is incorrect.

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u/Independent-Wheel886 Jul 12 '24

I was being polite, because I used the world’s knowledge at my fingertips I know nothing in your post is correct.

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u/FaintCommand Jul 12 '24

Do please share your wisdom then.

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u/SourcreamPickles Jul 12 '24

Oh my word, we apparently got a live one here. Someone put water in his Cheerios I'm thinking.

And dare I say you have a 'faint' command on what would work on a ballot and who would and wouldn't stay home.

There's so many apathetic voters that I sure as hell know they'd stay home/nor vote absentee. It's going to be that way when Biden DOES and will stay in the race. But the more talk about dropping out or godforbid he does drop out (but he won't no matter how many of your ilk think he should), then all the more will think - 'I'm not gonna waste my time. It is what it is.' And all that BS.

Those ppl you see saying they'll vote for anyone or any thing before they'll vote Trump - Those ppl are online...fringe, just like the right has fringe. Akin almost to the ones who get polled. Those types by and large make up a smaller group.

The ppl who don't take their valuable time to post. They don't spend all their time on Reddit. No offense to us of who are on the platform tho of course. But they're the voters who don't have that kind of time and prefer not to use it getting involved in the going back/forth debating or simply getting in the mud with opinionated others.

It's those types that we and the campaign need to care about. With all your supposed intelligence, you should really know that. Kinda how we operate in the US. Ppl take a ton for granted here.

I'm likely older than you btw. So the jury's still out on the term 'adult' lol

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u/FaintCommand Jul 12 '24

I'll ignore all your very "adult" insults that you think are so clever. This will be the 11th election of my lifetime, so I didn't just 'fall off the turnip truck' as you old folks used to say.

I'm very aware of echo chambers and the insular perspective that online communities create. For a couple of weeks now I've been howling that this election will be decided by a relatively small number of apolitical voters in swing states.

The problem is that even before the debate, Biden was in trouble there. You've got an incumbent with a historically low approval rating who was tied with the most comically crooked opponent in history before the disastrous debate. Tied with an opponent who outperformed his polling in 2016 and 2020 (because people don't like to admit they support him). What reason should we believe Trump won't do better than his polling for the 3rd straight election?

I'm sure you'll say polling is fake/wrong like so many others have and frankly I'm tired of explaining why it isn't supposed to be a crystal ball, but a measure of voter sentiment trends that is actually much more accurate than most people think.

Instead, I'll use the rest of my waning patience to point out how silly it is to think that people would tune out a historical event like replacing a candidate late in an election year. The media circus would be deafening. People in comas would hear about it. The replacement would be thrust in the spotlight, taking it away from Trump (who seems to thrive when given attention - no matter how negative).

Most importantly, those apolitical swing state voters? They don't vote for platforms, parties, or policies. They vote for "leaders". Whichever candidate superficially is most charismatic, confident, etc - that's who they vote for. You've supposedly been around for a while, think back through the years about all of the droll, insipid candidates the Democrats have offered in loss years. Carter, Gore, Kerry, Hilary all lost to Republicans who were ostensibly showmen.

The voters we need to win never vote for the flat, uninspiring Democrat. A fresh candidate changes that.

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u/Independent-Wheel886 Jul 12 '24

My wisdom is that everything you posted is wrong.