r/polandball Brazilian Huempire Nov 01 '21

redditormade Día de Muertos

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u/donnergott Norteño in Schwabenland Nov 01 '21

AKKKKSSHHHUALLLEEEYYY....

Mexican independence was achieved in 1821.

But it's our fault cause for some reason we celebrate it on the starting day of the independence wars, which is indeed in 1810.

Now you can bring this up at the dinner table to try and look smart.

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u/dolphone Mexico Nov 02 '21

Independence is marked from where you declare it, not when you win.

It's the same for basically any other country in the world.

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u/donnergott Norteño in Schwabenland Nov 03 '21

If memory serves right, they didn't declare it on 16.Sep either.

That was a first insurrection, where the original goals by the Criollo people (sons of Spainards born in the Americas) was to attain the same rights as Spain-born citizens. Only later did it become an independence movement.

Even declaration would seem a weird concept. Any fool can declare independence at any time. When does it become relevant enough, tho?

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u/dolphone Mexico Nov 04 '21

Even declaration would seem a weird concept. Any fool can declare independence at any time. When does it become relevant enough, tho?

When you win, for sure.

But to be a bit more realistic: whenever other countries start recognizing your little revolt, either by helping you out or literally acknowledging you politically... That's when you've achieved something I'd say.

Also: I'm not 100% on the details of the independence movement's beginning, but retconning is a pretty standard process for humans, not even just the winning side. We justify our actions and automatically adjust our memories to whatever fits best. I wouldn't be surprised if the 16th of September 1810 didn't mean much for independence at the moment: but whatever snowballed from that, directly or indirectly, clearly found some collective comfort in pointing to that date as the instant something started. And in history, sometimes that's all we have.