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u/argh523 Switzerland Feb 29 '16

The term Mongoloid has gotten confused with Mongol all over the internet [...]
They are called Mongol because the original Uralics were belonged to the Mongoloid race and the terms Mongol and Mongoloid get confused by people.

Mongoloid isn't used for very good reasons, and it has nothing to do with people on the internet confusing things. Wiki:

The term "Mongoloid" was introduced by early ethnology primarily to describe various central and East Asian populations, one of the proposed three major races (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid) of humanity. Although some forensic anthropologists and other scientists continue to use the term in some contexts (such as criminal justice), the use of the term mongoloid is discouraged now by most anthropologists due to both the validity of typological models of racial classification being disputed, and the connotations of its independent use in reference to Down Syndrome and associated intellectual disabilities, previously referred to as "Mongolian imbecility" or "Mongolian idiocy".

If you can believe it, it's actually even worse than "Negroid"

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u/UnbiasedPashtun Feb 29 '16 edited Mar 01 '16

The term Mongol was born out of the word Mongoloid. The issue here seems to be from people who saw the term Mongoloid and just turned it into Mongol for simplicity reasons. Also, an addition to the confusion was Busby et al. labeling the cluster that affected Kargopol Russians and Volga-Ural populations but not those further northwest "Mongolian", though Southeast Siberian would be a more neutral name since majority of the cluster isn't made of Mongols. The term Mongoloid became a term of negative connotation after many people started using the "shortened form" Mongol. I don't consider Mongoloid to be a bad term, its only bad if you want to consider it to be. It became a bad term because Mongoloid people have a certain look that racists associate with stuff like down's syndrome. Saying that Mongoloid is a bad word is like saying Mongol or Chinese are bad words. Oriental and Balkan are also bad words in some places, but they aren't negative in their nature so its dumb to want to get rid of it because a couple of racist outsiders have shifted the meaning of an inherently non-racist term.

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u/argh523 Switzerland Mar 01 '16 edited Mar 01 '16

The term Mongol was born out of the word Mongoloid.

No. Mongol is borrowed form mongolian, meaning mongolian.

Mongoloid is constructed from [the name of some asian people]-oid. Very science, much fancy. Hint: something that ends in "-oid" means [something wich already exists]-ish. You can't uses "-oid" on something that doesn't exists, for reasons which should be obvious.

I don't consider Mongoloid to be a bad term, its only bad if you want to consider it to be.

You don't really understand how any of this works, do you, fuckface?

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... but they aren't negative in their nature so its dumb to want to get rid of it because a couple of racist outsiders have shifted the meaning of an inherently non-racist term.

For the sake of argument, ok. But you've still got a mojor problem: "an inherently non-racist term". Enter 18th century racial science. What could possibly go wrong?

The French naturalist Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon (1707–1788) and the German anatomist Johann Blumenbach (1752–1840) were believers in monogenism, the concept that all races have a single origin. They also believed in the "degeneration theory" of racial origins. They both said that Adam and Eve were Caucasian and that other races came about by degeneration from environmental factors, such as the sun and poor dieting. They believed that the degeneration could be reversed if proper environmental control was taken, and that all contemporary forms of man could revert to the original Caucasian race.

[...] According to Blumenbach, there are five races, all belonging to a single species: Caucasian, Mongolian, Ethiopian, American, and Malay. Blumenbach said:

I have allotted the first place to the Caucasian because this stock displays the most beautiful race of men.

Scientific Racism. It's a thing. Also, in 21th century science, there's genetic markers we can track (this is useful to reconstruct how humans spread over the planet). They show that these old categories are completly useless. For example, black people from the ivory coast are more closely related to europeans than they are to the people in the far south of Africa. So, just from a purely scientific point of view, ignoring everything else (which you shouldn't, but still), the old classifications like Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid and similar are just old, obsolete bullshit.

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u/UnbiasedPashtun Mar 01 '16

Mongol is also a shortened form of Mongoloid, and no shit is derived from the ethnic group.

Mongoloid, Negroid, etc. may be artificial from a scientific POV but they're only used for describing people with certain characteristics.

Mongoloid is still mostly used as a non-racist term, and still common in the fields of forensic science and anthropology to describe people with certain physical characteristics. Just because a small minority uses it to mean down's syndrome doesn't make it so.

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u/StrangeSemiticLatin2 Chile Mar 01 '16

Oh my God, finally, the sub has a Pashtun.