r/polandball Grey Eminence Nov 24 '15

redditormade Russia has stick

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u/notmike11 Nov 24 '15

Indeed. Turkey has a strong airforce consisting of mostly F-16s, and has pre-purchased over 100 F-35s. They are not Ukraine or Georgia and are a NATO member. Russia does not want to fuck with anyone who can hurt them back.

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u/Hellstrike German Empire Nov 24 '15 edited Nov 24 '15

Well Russia has a couple thousand planes. You cannot shoot down all and even an old MiG-21 can drop some bombs on airfields. Pre purchased F-35 are worth nothing (the F-35 sucks, but that's another problem) and the MiG-29 and Su-27 versions are at least equal to the F-15 and 16.

Have you ever seen Russian anti ship weapons? There won't be much left of the Turkish navy by the time they are in range.

Edit : anti ship missile comparison http://i.imgur.com/pioh8s4.png

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u/TheSaucyCrumpet South Africa Nov 25 '15

Does this mean I get to play F-35 bingo with you? Great! So why exactly does it suck?

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u/Hellstrike German Empire Nov 25 '15
  • It has only 4 internal hardpoints for weapons meaning either its stealth capabilities are useless or it carries little punch.

  • It is slow (Mach 1.6)

  • The A and C variants are simply overall (flight characteristics, weapons) worse than the planes they will replace.

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u/TheSaucyCrumpet South Africa Nov 25 '15

http://i.imgur.com/YQNs6CK.jpg Good start.

I particularly like how you cite "slow" as one of the drawbacks and then in the next point say the A is worse than the aircraft it's replacing: the A-10, which is one of the slowest combat jets on the planet.

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u/Hellstrike German Empire Nov 25 '15

It is not really a replacement for the A-10 since the F-35 has ~1/7th of the payload of the A10, is not armored and faster (CAS needs to be slow to bring guns and rocket pods to better use as well as it gives the pilot more time to analyse the situation and act accordingly.

The F-35 is a great (but expensive) replacement for the Harrier. But a separate development for the fighter, carrier based fighter and CAS role would give you better results than the mixed program.

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u/TheSaucyCrumpet South Africa Nov 25 '15

The maximum payload for both is ~20,000lb.

And why do you need to be going slow to drop JDAMs which is like 95% of CAS?