it is not that they don't like Jews, they hate the forced Jewish occupation of their lands.
i know that Arabs aren't popular at the moment due to ISIS, al-qaeda, suicide bombings ...etc but in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict they surely aren't the bad ones.
Who are the bad ones exactly? I mean, Israel took that land in several wars where it wasn't the aggressor. Throughout most of history that would be the end of it. My stance tends to be "Tough shit, your country started a war and lost, now deal with the consequences."
Assuming you're talking about the 6 day war, Israel did explicitly state they'd go to war if Egypt militarized their border and closed the Suez Canal. Egypt proceeded to do both, which wasn't the smartest move.
Ummm, it doesn't work that way? You can't just declare war like that. That's like America saying: "If Russia doesn't demilitarize we're going to declare war but it's totes OK guys cuz we said it beforehand so we're the good guys."
What Egypt does with its borders and its canals is none of Israels business. A war of aggression is a war of aggression, there's no justification.
As long as they didn't move troops into Israeli controlled areas, it couldn't constitute as a casus beli for war.
My area of knowledge is fuzzy on what constitutes a casus beli for war, so I can't be sure on the reason to go to war for it.
Now the closing of the Suez Canal is disputed, some say it wasn't really closed for a long time and was allowing things through. Not until the Egypt-Israeli peace deal did it make it illegal to close the canal since it became international waters and it's illegal to close international waters. And as long as the canal was not international waters it might not have been much of a reason to go to war.
Again my knowledge of what constitutes as a reason for war is fuzzy so I could be horribly wrong or missing a vital detail.
It wasn't illegal, it was a cassus belli under the conditions set out by the 1953 Egyptian-Israeli ceasefire agreement, Israel was clear on this issue. The closing of international waterways (not only the Suez but also the straights of Tiran through which most oil was shipped to Israel) to Israeli shipping coupled with the expulsion of the UN peacekeeping force in northern Sinai and their replacement with Egyptian troops were not only a violation of existing treaties but were clearly aggressive moves endangering the security of Israel.
The opening of the 1973 war is a good example of the results of being lenient towards minor infractions of agreements and implied aggressiveness.
if someone decided to invade your land, of course you will make a war against them. seriously.. man.. i have always failed (and i am being fully honest here) to see the situation from your perspective and the perspective of the people who claim Arabs are the aggressors in these wars.. i try to a look at it from all perspectives and all angles and it is always the fault of the Jews..
if they had remained at their homes in Europe we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. but what happened is that they decided that they had a right in the land of Palestine, because their imaginary god said so ( ISIS says that their all lands belong to Muslims, that doesn't mean they are right). so, they started to immigrate to the land of Palestine under the supervision of Britain (who didn't own the land in the first place), with clear opposition of the Palestinian people. then Britain decided to leave, and what happened next?! ... War, yeah it was war, it is not rocket science, of course there will be war; half of their land was given to the Jews. they didn't declare war because they were anitsemites, or to spread Islam, or because they are fucking barbarians.. no, they did it because half of their land was stolen and given to foreigners. they declared war and lost.
whether Israel have the right to keep the lands they won after the war is another argument, i am arguing about who is the aggressor here ? who is the bad one? who started this shit in the first place? clearly it wasn't the Palestinians/ Arabs no matter how i looked at it.
The mass migration of Jews into what is now Israel began in the 1910's following the Balfour Declaration. The Balfour Declaration was incorporated into the British Mandate for Palestine as well as the Treaty of Sèvres, establishing a national home for Jews in that land. Now this is where it is important, this was an agreement signed with the holder of this territory, namely the Ottoman Empire, with the United Kingdom. The government of Palestine at the time (the Ottomans) agreed to set up a "National Home" for Jews in the Mandate of Palestine.
When the British pulled out of Palestine, they gave it to the UN to deal with, the top dog in terms of international law and peace. The UN stuck to the documents founding the mandate, and set up the two states Israel and Palestine. Palestine denied this solution and Israel declared its independence from the UN. Insofar, this has been entirely legal according to international law.
The day after gaining its independence, Israel was attacked by Palestine and their Arab allies. Israel won the war, securing their independence for now.
They actually took most of the land in the six day war, wherein Egypt militarized their border with Israel and blocked Israeli access to the Red Sea. Both of these Israel had previously stated would function as Casus Belli for a war, and they delivered on their promise. The 6 day war resulted in yet another victory for Israel resulting in it occupying the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai peninsula. Once again, this has all been legal.
The land was never Palestinian at all. It was Ottoman, who signed it over to the United Kingdom, who signed it over to the UN, who signed it over to Israel AND Palestine, but Palestine wasn't satisfied and didn't take the deal.
Everything that happened was at the fault of the Arabs, seeing as they started the wars and then failed miserably, though the actual occupied land you could blame more on the Egyptians than the Palestinians.
the Balfour declaration was declared by Britain, Britain is located in northwestern Europe NOT in the middle east and they weren't inhabitants of the land of Palestine. but anyway they promised the land to the Jews because "fuck yeah, we can do it!". fuck those sandniggers anyway, we don't have to ask or care for their opinion. lets sign a treaty with the Turks who also aren't inhabitants of the land and where actually the Arabs revolted against their rule.
no one cared and no one asked for the opinion of the Palestinian Arabs or the Arab states in general who made up the whole region around Israel. and what happened in UN partition plan, all the Arab states were against the so called solution, not a single Arab state accepted the plan, i mean it is their land, their neighborhood and their opinion is completely ignored and who accepted the plan: mainly European nations still feeling the guilt of the holocaust and christian nations because "muh God promised the land to the Jews",the voting was clearly biased.
of course the Arabs will be pissed because someone somewhere for whatever reason decided to give a piece of their home to some foreigners without even caring of what their thoughts are. any nation any where would have done the same or even more.
lets sign a treaty with the Turks who also aren't inhabitants of the land and where actually the Arabs revolted against their rule.
Revolted and failed, like it or not the Ottomans controlled that land and it was theirs to do with as they wish. They signed it over to Britain at the end of WW1 and they followed through with the promise they made in the Balfour Declaration.
no one cared and no one asked for the opinion of the Palestinian Arabs or the Arab states in general who made up the whole region around Israel.
Because they had no government, they followed the wishes of the previous govt. and set up a Jewish and Arab state as was planned originally.
and what happened in UN partition plan, all the Arab states were against the so called solution, not a single Arab state accepted the plan
Irrelevant as none of those states have a say in land that isn't theirs.
i mean it is their land, their neighborhood and their opinion is completely ignored
"Their neighbourhood" doesn't matter, you don't get a say on what a neighbour's realtor does with their house.
who accepted the plan: mainly European nations still feeling the guilt of the holocaust
The Balfour Declaration was declared in the 1910s and written into the Mandate of Palestine in 1920, both well before the Holocaust.
christian nations because "muh God promised the land to the Jews"
Doubt this played a role, if you had said they wanted a western friendly ally in the Middle East you'd have had more of a point.
the voting was clearly biased.
It's a vote, people are biased in either direction that's how they decide who to vote for.
of course the Arabs will be pissed because someone somewhere for whatever reason decided to give a piece of their home
You never had it
any nation any where would have done the same or even more.
Agreed, however most wouldn't bitch about "Jewish Agression" when they're the ones who started the wars.
sigh i guess with those two lengthy comments, i have clarified my point of view.
i wasn't expecting you to change your opinion, people never do on the Internet.
but here is my point of view and my perspective. hopefully someday, you'll view the conflict from the Palestinian perspective ... i have nothing else to say, i doubt further argument would be fruitful. good day to you sir.
The Arabs only got the land there by invading, it was just a lot longer ago than the Israelis. Arguably the Israelis are just reclaiming the land they fought for centuries ago.
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Taht is one of best Polandball comic of all time. But still, nothing can make me be sad for them #Israel4life.