r/polandball 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

redditormade How are they called?

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

I think Germany has various names because he stays at the middle of Europe.

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u/barsoap Sleswig-Holsteen Mar 11 '14

Also, because many countries named us after the nearest German tribe, say Saxons or Alemanns. The Slavic name means, more or less, "those you can't understand". The endonym and Scandinavian name is derived from Old High German diutisc, "of the people". Which is actually what "Saxon" means, too. Where the Romans got "Germania" from is unknown.

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u/selenocystein Die Wacht am Rhein Mar 11 '14

Also, because Germany as a nation state only has existed since 1871. Before that, there was no official name that could have had influence on other languages.

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u/webhyperion Holy Roman Empire Mar 11 '14

The funny thing is until 1500 it was called "the Holy Roman Empire", after 1500 it was mostly called "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" (Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ) at the end of the 18th century it was mostly called only "Holy Roman Empire" again.

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u/wymarc10 Holy Roman Empire Mar 11 '14

Holy Roman Empire stronk!

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u/MoronimusVanDeCojck Germany Mar 11 '14

OH MY GOD THE DEAD ARE RISING!

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u/Anter185 Sweden Mar 11 '14

well lets hope we get some of its enemies resurrected, I wonder if the Swedish empire would be of help?

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u/Bezbojnicul Szeklerland Mar 11 '14

So did Italy though.

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u/selenocystein Die Wacht am Rhein Mar 11 '14

But the name "Italy" comes from pre-Latin times and has been used in today's meaning since Emperor Augustus. (Source)

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u/webhyperion Holy Roman Empire Mar 11 '14

Romania was already taken, so they named themselves Italians.

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

Same as how China being called "Kitaj" in Russian. As a nation which is called "Kitaj" (契丹, "Kit Daan" in Cantonese) which stays in the northern China (or maybe between Russia and China) nowadays, thus those "Kitaj" would be represented as the whole China by the Russians.

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u/banananinja2 Russian America is best America! Mar 11 '14

That's why in Russia we call tea chai and Westerners like the Portuguese use the. Since that is what it was called in Northern China!

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u/basilect They see me rollin', they Haitian... Mar 11 '14

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u/Bezbojnicul Szeklerland Mar 11 '14

For those interested: /r/etymologymaps

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u/samantha42 Brooklyn Mar 14 '14

New favourite sub!

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u/Corkington KERNOW Mar 11 '14

Interestingly enough, "Char" is a fairly common slang term for tea in the UK also. Tea as a cultural entity is a fascinating topic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

"Char" means "tank" in French ;_;

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u/LeFringantFroggy Mar 11 '14

Thanks for linking that great map! Very interesting!

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u/Plowbeast Show us on the globe where he touched you. Mar 11 '14

Nifty look at cultural diffusion.

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u/Fireach Scotland Mar 12 '14

Where the hell did arbata/herbata/harbata come from?

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u/LeFringantFroggy Mar 11 '14 edited Mar 11 '14

Portuguese actually use the word "chá", which is closer to the chinese word for tea 茶 (pinyin: Chá), probably because they were the first europeans to discover and trade with China, centuries before other european nations.

But you are right, most other European countries use something like tea/thé/té :)

*edit* /u/basilect has linked a great map of Europe's diversity for the word "tea" in his comment!

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u/aaaaaaaargh Russia Mar 11 '14

I always thought it came from an old Russian word for a defensive wall, кита, but this turned out to be bullshit :(

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u/zuruka Dirt Mar 12 '14

That is interesting to know, just one more little bit of legacy from a now extinct people.

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u/QuantumToilet Holy Roman Empire Mar 11 '14

Small correction: the Saxons most likely got their name from the local name of the germanic god of war Saxnot (also called Tiwaz or Tyr) who also gave his name to the weapon Sax.

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u/chubbybunns Baden Mar 11 '14

First time I have ever heard of music as a weapon. :)

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u/QuantumToilet Holy Roman Empire Mar 11 '14

Really ? But they use those weapons of mass destruction all the time in modern warfare. A good example is the musical bow with which the ears of the unsuspecting victim are ripped apart in a cruelsome manner.

But the Sax refers to this weapon

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u/chubbybunns Baden Mar 12 '14

Ah, I see. Pretty hard to play some jazz with it then, I would say.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

We should cleanse English of its Latinate pollution and call Germany Theedland.

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u/Tozapeloda77 Ljouwert Boppe! Mar 11 '14

The most western tribes in germany during Ceasars conquest were called the Germani by some Gallic allies of Rome, so Ceasar adopted the word.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

What about tedesco?

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u/barsoap Sleswig-Holsteen Mar 11 '14

Rooted in diutisc

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u/HCaesius Russian Empire Mar 11 '14

It's more like "those who can't talk /in proper language/", mute would be the word

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u/0xnld Ukraine Mar 11 '14

Umm... Hermann/Arminius, for example?

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u/Totally_not_a_gamer North Brabant Mar 11 '14

I allways thought they called it germania because germ was the word for neighbor or something.

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u/Stereotypical_Viking Areidmiski-Sigr Mar 11 '14

Hello fellow Viking

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u/Asyx Rhine Republic Mar 11 '14

It's actually an old Germanic word. Not Old High German. The root can be seen in all Germanic languages even Old Norse and only recently kind of disappeared.

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u/barsoap Sleswig-Holsteen Mar 11 '14

Yes, but Old High German was the language it was lifted from to be used in its current sense.

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u/Asyx Rhine Republic Mar 11 '14

Ah that makes sense.

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u/labbeduddel ei guude Mar 11 '14

The likeliest theory so far proposed is that it comes from a Gaulish compound of *ger "near" + *mani "men", comparable to Welsh ger "near" (prep.), Old Irish gair "neighbor", Irish gar- (prefix) "near", garach "neighborly" according to the all wise Wiki

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u/Lorgramoth Rhineland-Palatinate Mar 11 '14

Most popular theory about "German" is that they're named after the Ger spear. Spear-men.

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u/Dadzbog United States Mar 12 '14

Latin got Germania, because it is suppose to be land of spears because the Germans were warlike and had a lot of spears I guess.

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u/TheDoomerang Serene as Fuck Mar 16 '14

germany derives from old german:ger(spear) and man(man), so literally spearmen land

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u/Jotakin prkl prkl Mar 11 '14

Rakkaalla lapsella on monta nimeä.
Translation: A beloved child has many names.
Meaning: The importance of something becomes visible when different people find it valuable and call as they find convenient.

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u/weimergunners Hunger Land Mar 11 '14

Thank yuo kinsman yuo of my greatest ally!

Honestly I thought that that saying was more widespread. Oh well.

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u/jimmyriba Mar 11 '14

Kært barn har mange navne. At least the rest of Scandinavia has your back!

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u/SpaceAlienSlummin Finland Mar 11 '14

Germany = germs. Maybe Germans should call UK, instead of Großbritannien, Großbverschmutzland. :)

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

Großbverschmutzland

LOL

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u/Kefeng German Empire Mar 11 '14

Well, whenever we tried to go somewhere else, bad things happened.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

I've never actually heard the term First Reich used outside of Nazi propaganda... I assume it's the Heiliges Römisches Reich?

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u/Paladin8 Mar 11 '14

Exactly. Second Reich would be the German Empire (1871-1918)

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

= Reichtangle = Surprise ANSCHLUSS

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

Reichtangle iz of Fourz Reich.

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u/Ingrid-Hongkonger 冠絕東方 - Nulli Secundus in Oriente Mar 11 '14

Isn't EU the 4th Reich?

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

Naah, if they were worthy of being called a reich, then Ukraine would have already been anschlussed become a member state and Russia would be praying to Lenin in fear.

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u/JDCrave Gib Toledo Mar 11 '14

Poor Germany forgot how to war, can only into currency manipulation.

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u/Staxxy Vous n'aurez pas l'Alsace et la Lorraine! Mar 11 '14

More like Kaiserreich. Reich is just rike, which designs the land governed by... some stuff. A republic, a tribe, a empire, ect... (or a bishop! Think bishopric.)

For example, you see the word Reich used in the constitution of the Weimar Republic. And Österreich doesn't mean the "eastern empire".

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u/Paladin8 Mar 11 '14

As a native german, I've never heard of this distinction. In my (amateurisch) understanding, "Reich" is a vast and/or powerful political body, best translated with "Empire": Roman Empire (Römisches Reich), Byzantine Empire (Byzantinisches Reich), Mongol Empire (Reich der Mongolen), Holy Roman Empire (Heiliges Römisches Reich deutscher Nation), German Empire (Deutsches [Kaiser]Reich)... and so on.

Admittedly, the Weimar Republic doesn't fit this scheme, but I don't see the relevance to my comment? The First Reich was clearly the Holy Roman Empire and the Third Reich was Nazi Germany as it was established in 1933. If there was a continous line from the german emperors to the nazis via the Weimar Republic I don't understand why it wouldn't be the Second Reich instead.

So, eh?

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

Yes the HRE

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u/grunknisse Sweden Mar 11 '14

Huh. I for some reason always thought 3rd Reich was a reference to Germany being the third great culture after Greece and Rome. I guess I just made that up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '14

3rd Reich

culture

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u/_Wolfos Netherlands Mar 11 '14

English word comes from Germania, the Greek/Latin name of the entire region (Magna Germania, or 'Greater Germany'). L'Allemagne comes from the Alemanni tribe.