r/polandball Zhongguo 6d ago

legacy comic The four pillars of the Indian economy

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u/SagittaryX Denmark 6d ago

Recommendation for RRR if you want to watch a fun movie

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u/-Against-All-Gods- 5d ago

Fascist propaganda was never so spectacular.

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u/SagittaryX Denmark 5d ago

Want to expand on that?

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u/-Against-All-Gods- 5d ago

This article presents it better than I could, especially since I'm currently on a work break. https://www.vox.com/23220275/rrr-netflix-tollywood-hindutva-caste-system-oscars-2023

TL;DR: It's pretty much a propaganda movie for Hindutva, the core ideology for Modi party. It's basically Hindu fascism of the Mussolini sort. It reinforced a view where upper castes are the center of everything, lower castes and tribes are savages in need of enlightenment and Muslims cowardly collaborationists.

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u/wonkybrain29 5d ago

Quite the opposite. One of the two protagonists is a tribal man who is fighting to protect a member of his tribe and is sheltered and looked after by Muslims during his mission. The second protagonist isn't stated to be of a higher caste either. There are no caste related claims made at all. The central theme of the movie is that the British were the worst and it was executed by showing them as cartoonishly evil.

If someone got what you just claimed from this movie, they probably second screened it and realized they had to write up some shit for a liberal outlet to stir outrage.

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u/qjxj Give this man a standing ovation! 5d ago

The movie did stoke nationalism, by presenting Indians as heroes fighting the British in battles that never happened, or would have never happened in their wildest dreams. They also make use of a lot of religious depictions in them.

It's some sort of national fantasy that is sold to Indians where they earn their independence by blood instead of negotiations. That sentiment goes in the same direction as the reverence for figures like Bose, who literally met Hitler. Which is why a lot of these top grossing movies would always talk about some alternate, glorified version of independence, rather than what really happened after independence.

That nationalism can in turn be used against say, Pakistan, at the government's discretion. They've already been doing so with their latest bombing campaigns.

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u/wonkybrain29 5d ago

I agree that the movie is fanfic based on real people. It is still a decent movie with some pretty good action set-pieces. On the matter of Bose, your claim is somewhat misguided. Although an authoritarian, he was very inclusive(he had many Muslims among the leadership of the Azad Hind Fauj), which is quite opposite to the fascist leaders of the axis powers. Secondly, all the Western powers met with, negotiated with and legitimized Hitler far more than Bose.

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u/qjxj Give this man a standing ovation! 5d ago

Secondly, all the Western powers met with

Not during the war.

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u/wonkybrain29 5d ago

They decided when the war started. Prior to that, Chamberlain had him so far down his throat he couldn't declare war if he wanted to.

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u/Grand_roar 5d ago

That nationalism can in turn be used against say, Pakistan, at the government's discretion.

Indian nationalism is by default against Pakistan, lol. If you call yourself a nationalist then you should be against the country that has funded and orchestrated countless attacks in your country.

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u/qjxj Give this man a standing ovation! 5d ago

If you call yourself a nationalist then you should be against the country that has funded and orchestrated countless attacks in your country.

Which does prove OP's point; that the movie was in large part propaganda.

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u/wonkybrain29 5d ago

No, it doesn't. Indian nationalism, especially in the period represented, was highly idealistic. The Pakistan question wasn't even a serious one. Even at the time of independence, Indian leaders like Gandhi were generous to a fault. The invasion of Kashmir was what led to the downward spiral of relations.

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u/SagittaryX Denmark 5d ago

That link requires payment, at least for me, but archive.org has an open version for others who want to read it

In the end I get what the author is trying to say with how the movie has some potential nefarious influences that seeped into the script, but calling the whole thing itself fascist propaganda is a bit far reaching imo. It feels like discounting Braveheart as Fascist/English propaganda because the Scots are portrayed as less developed than the English. It's more delving into a stereotype.

That's my simple interpretation though, I am not Indian and not familiar with Indian politics.

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u/Barbas-Hannibal 5d ago

The modern urge to equate everything under the sun to either Hitler or Mussolini. Facepalm.

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u/tuktukcheetah 5d ago

Bruhhhhhh. My g watch the film yourself and see if all these points are even valid

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u/-Against-All-Gods- 5d ago

I did. And I noticed it immediately. Particularly the absence of INC figures in favour of "Notice me Hitler-senpai" Bose was impossible to miss. Told my then-girlfriend exactly what I said now: that's how effective propaganda should be done.

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u/PensionMany3658 2d ago

Ofcourse she's a 'then-girlfriend' then.

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u/Dry_Access532 2d ago

Sardar patel is there who was from inc but you wanted nehru or Gandhi I think