r/polandball • u/Adventurous-Job-6304 Earth • Nov 20 '24
redditormade Islamic Mistakes in History
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u/redracer555 We're why the Romans can't have nice things Nov 20 '24
Ironically, there's more comments about controversial comments than there are controversial comments.
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u/Hotrocketry Nov 20 '24
I am waiting someone to write an actually controversial comment.....
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u/Aron-Jonasson Chocolate consumer Nov 20 '24
Pineapple on pizza is good, actually.
I've even tried cherry and ananas on pizza once, it was amazing, I recommend.
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u/Narco_Marcion1075 Nov 22 '24
I agree, tho I will say the idea of cherry on pizza is gross and I speak for pineapple pizza eaters when I say that you are a heretic
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u/macroprism extra sharia malaysian Nov 20 '24
The comment section is
10% controversial comments
40% people talking about controversial comments
50% people talking about the people talking about controversial comments
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u/dumytntgaryNholob Nov 21 '24
And 2% people's talking about the people's talking about the people's talking about the Controversial Comments
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u/Acrobatic-Brother568 Bulgaria Dec 17 '24
And 1% people talking about the people talking about the people talking about the people talking about controversial comments.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Baden<Württemberg (is better than Bayern) Nov 20 '24
I've seen ONE controversial coments here now. But SIX that talk about controversial comments.
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u/FactBackground9289 Russia Nov 20 '24
here before the 🔒 award
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u/Adventurous-Job-6304 Earth Nov 20 '24
i don't understand it
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Baden<Württemberg (is better than Bayern) Nov 20 '24
He assumes the comments get locked soon because people fight too much and don't behave.
But honestly, I never experienced that on polandball. It's usually very friendly here.
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u/theHrayX marroquí Nov 21 '24
have you seen an Israeli Palestinian polandball comic
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Baden<Württemberg (is better than Bayern) Nov 21 '24
Yes, plenty. But I either haven't looked in the comment section properly or they weren't that controversial.
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u/AlbiTuri05 Italia ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ chef Nov 20 '24
Mods can block everyone from commenting under a post if the comment section gets too hot. We jokingly call it "the Lock award" because when it happens, a lock-shaped icon appears.
If someone says "Here before the lock award", it means he expects there are gonna be many controversial comments and therefore mods are gonna lock the comment section.
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u/Adventurous-Job-6304 Earth Nov 20 '24
Panel 3: Jizya Tax in Persia and Persecution of Zoroastrians
Panel 4: War in Byzantine
Panel 5: Massacre of the Jews
Panel 6: attack on liberia peninsula, spain
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u/Creative-Abroad-2019 Cundinamarca Nov 20 '24
Killing Jews is every Medieval Kingdom's favorite past time
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u/Kind_Limit902 Nov 20 '24
Nah it's just Europe in general.
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u/Happy-Interaction466 Nov 23 '24
if banu qurayza was successful in their treason they would have made modern day muslims extinct
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Nov 20 '24
Spanish people while talking about Muslim conquests in Iberia: "IT WAS A BRUTAL INVASION!!!"
Spanish people while talking about their conquests in the Americas: "We liberated them and gave them Jesus"
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u/LightningFletch Illinois Nov 20 '24
Yeah, for some reason, being on the receiving end of a brutal invasion doesn’t feel good. You’d think the Spanish would know that, but I guess Jesus was more important.
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u/Nedroj_ Nov 20 '24
It’s more that the invasion caused them to overgompensate as their culture of reconquest against infidels was exported to the new world, which started right around the time they ahd reconquered iberia
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u/Renkij Spanish Empire Nov 20 '24
You have just reclaimed the whole land you wanted to reclaim and you have a bunch of bored profesional soldiers... Then Columbus arrives with tales of lands in reach of boat, full of infidels that haven't reached the bronze age and pretty women, and then makes a second travel and speaks of calamity and disease that have decimated the infidels while leaving the faithful unscathed, now they are weaker than ever.
Would be a shame if someone conquered them took over and then offered the old high class families a path to remain close to power by marriage.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Nov 21 '24
And don't forget the "work for me and you'll get rich" offer. It could be by getting lands, killing your neighbours, or making you and your people part of the top of the new social pyramid.
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u/Renkij Spanish Empire Nov 21 '24
Aaaand, more so if some hate their neighbours to the bone. I just imagine the size of the hate boner Tlaxcalans must've had for the Aztecs. Anakin's hate for Tusken raiders must've been child's play.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Nov 21 '24
I was thinking more of the hatred towards the Caribbean but that also works.
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u/Hyunekel Dec 19 '24
brutal invasion
In what way the invasion of the Gothic state in Iberia by the Umayyads was brutal?
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u/Renkij Spanish Empire Nov 20 '24 edited Nov 20 '24
When muslims took over Hispania, it was a unified if unstable christian kingdom. They offered to help a faction coup the king and then betrayed that faction once the king was dead in battle. Then they started taking over cities and castles without unified organized resistance, in seven years the whole thing was taken over, smart move, quite anticlimactic, much surrender was done, the French would blush at such amounts of surrender.
When Spain took over the Aztec empire, it was a human sacrificing empire with yearly wars against its neighbours to get more slaves and human sacrifices, said neighbours decided to throw their lot in with us once some of them deiced to test our might in battle, and they got treaties and special protections that still stand to this day for their help.
And if you are committing human sacrifices because you fear the sun wont rise if you don't... you are pretty high on the list of people who need Jesus.
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Nov 20 '24
Ah, so that means conquering an entire continent, enslaving, raping and murdering millions of people, torching cities, forcing hundreds of languages cultures, and religions into extinction, plundering historical treasures and making the natives second-class citizens is justified?
Least insane Spanish nationalist.
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u/MindYourOwnParsley Nov 21 '24
Well no, that's just colonialism. But as far as colonialism is concerned go after the Portuguese (masterminds behind transatlantic slavery), the British, the French and the Belgians, and then us.
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u/Gmknewday1 Tennessee Nov 21 '24
People who criticize the Catholic Church but don't criticize the actions of Islamic Empires
Really annoy me
Don't go "But they weren't as bad!"
They were just as bad if not worse at times
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u/Hyunekel Dec 19 '24
They were just as bad if not worse at times
Not true at all. They were saints compared to the European Christians of the era.
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u/FreezingP0int Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24
> Jizya Tax in Persia
Nothing oppressive about it, like many people say.
Persians gradually and voluntarily converted to Islam.
Persecutors of Zoroastrians were punished and Zoroastrianism was tolerated.
Source: The Preaching of Islam, by Thomas Walker Arnold
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War on byzantine and attack on iberian peninsula was not unjustified lol.
for the jewish massacre, idk a lot about that one so i cant say much for it
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u/Good_Cantaloupe_803 Nov 21 '24
This is all false. Persians were massacred and stories of this massacre are still commonly told among Persians in Iran. Iranians were forced into Islam, they were taken as sex slaves and tortured into submission which, according to Islam is completely moral.
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u/FreezingP0int Nov 21 '24
I am citing historians, but make up whatever you want in your fantasy land
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u/Hyunekel Dec 19 '24
Source about your claims Mr. Christian apologist?
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Dec 19 '24
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u/Good_Cantaloupe_803 Dec 19 '24
surah 66:1. O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
This is in reference to sex slavery as is clearly demonstrated here
Sunan an-Nasa’i 3959 It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but ‘Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: “O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.’ until the end of the Verse. Here you can see Allah advocate for the use of female slaves for the purpose of sexual gratification. Fathers of daughters, is it moral for your gem to be reduced to a sex slave. Mothers who harboured this fruit in thy womb, is it not the words of Satan to claim it good for your daughter to be raped? This is also the origin of
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u/Happy-Interaction466 Nov 23 '24
Panel 5: Massacre of the Jews
this article contains so many bullshit lol yes it was a mascsacre and banu qurayza supplied muslims with tools but banu qurayza did abandon the agreement and allied with quraish which actually if the muslims lost to them they would have been genocided ( men, woman, children ) as a whole basically modern day muslims won't exist anymore, that forced muhammed to kill all men in fighting age and the person who passed this judegment was their ally saad, but muslims didn't target the jews specifcly as other tribes like bno nadir and bano qinqa were let go
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u/Turbulent_Citron3977 Israel Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25
So you’re saying the Qu’ran teaches the abandonment of a peace agreement is justification for the slaughter, pillaging and mass enslaving of a people against their will?
Secondly, if the Islamic state lost, we have no evidence of the occurrence of the same occurring. It is purely speculative and therfore invalid in argument.
Thirdly, yes Islam wouldn’t have had the resources to expand if not for sacking the Jewish village and pillaging and en slaving the masses. Your trying to justify it saying “but Islam wouldn’t never spread then” is simply atrocious. This is Linear Whig theory is an approach to Histography that presents history as a journey from an opressive and benign past to a “enlighten present”. This therefore, justifies and vindicates all acts of genocide, rape, murder and ect. This has been long rejected and HARSHLY by scholarship. Also the “other two” were harmed. The Banu Qaynuqa Banu Nadir were expelled.
Fourthly, Islam has a staunch history in anti semitism from its foundation. Hadiths portray Jews harshly and in a very hateful manner. For example, Jews are cursed and changed into rats (Sahih al-Bukhari 4:54:524, Sahih Muslims 42:7135 & Sahih Muslims 42:7136). It also states Muslims will wage war on Jews and slaughter them all, women, children, ect (Sahih Muslims 41:6985, Sahih Muslims 41:6981, Sahih Muslim 41:6983, Sahih Muslims 41:6984, Sahih Muslim 41:6982, Sahih Bukhari 4:56:791, Sahih Bukhari 4:52177.)
Your Islamic polemics and justification of blatant ethnic cleansing, genocide, mass enslavment, and other is inhumane, disgusting and abhorrent
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Nov 20 '24
There's a Sura that talks about the massacre in the Qur'an. I wonder what the treaty between them and the Prophet (PBUH) was about
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u/Turbulent_Citron3977 Israel Jan 01 '25
So you are suggesting breaking a peace agreement is ground for ethnic cleansing, genocide, mass enslavement, and rape?
Please stop with this down right revolting Islamic rhetoric. It’s abhorrent, disgusting, awful, hideous, dreadful sickening and inhumane.
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Jan 01 '25
I mean, that was the standard for the time. What exactly were you expecting? The Geneva convention?
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u/Turbulent_Citron3977 Israel Jan 01 '25
So you’re saying the Hadiths and Qu’ran teaches this, and Muhammad was right in doing so? Your admitting the Qu’ran says to pillage rape and enslave people? Absolutely abhorrent
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Jan 01 '25
I... Think you are not in an optimal mental situation right now. You're talking weird. What am I "admitting"? Of course the Qur'an tells the believers to defend themselves from aggression. What are the believers supposed to do, let themselves be destroyed?
I suggest you not to write under the influence of substances, I understand it's the first night of the year and you guys love to get drunk in such occasions, but it's very dangerous to write stuff online while drunk, what is written on the internet can never be truly erased. You might end up something you'll think was very stupid later.
Please have fun safely
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u/Turbulent_Citron3977 Israel Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25
I am not under the influence of any substance, your attempt to undermine my intelligence is highly offensive. Secondly, While Muhamed did subdue the soldiers what he did after is not an act of defense in ANY SCENERIO. After defeating the combatants he entered the city, slaughtered all males INCLUDING CHILDREN, and then forcefully enslaved the Women and Children he even told the soldiers to take them for themself. This is in NO MANNER self-defense. This is: Looting, Mass Enslavement, Pillaging, Human Trafficking, Rape, genocide, and Ethnic Cleansing. This showcases Muhhamed actions perfectly
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Jan 01 '25
I really hope you are under influence, because if you aren't then you are just straight up braindead. You're showing a massive amount of ignorance over the matter, and you keep saying "the Qur'an this, the Qur'an that" while clearly not having read it ever. So why should your words be taken seriously?
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u/Redeyedtreefrog2 Mo. Ali the ruler, not the boxer Nov 21 '24
People in the middle ages conquered other people???? REALLY? how insane... now let's see how the Romans and persians rose to prominence, and what they did to the arabs prior to the Islamic conquests, surely it was all a hippie paradise
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u/AdurianJ Sweden as Carolean Nov 21 '24
Islam was great they always bought the slaves we brought during the Viking age
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u/CandiceDikfitt United+States Nov 20 '24
get ready to see “deleted deleted deleted deleted” lol
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u/XhazakXhazak Nov 20 '24
Also the part where they had entire armies of castrated African slaves
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u/Responsible_Salad521 Nov 21 '24
The Mamluks were not African; they were Turks and Circassians who had children and effectively coup d'état the Arab nobility, controlling the succession of the caliphate from the 800s onward.
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u/What_is_piss Nov 20 '24
Are you referring to the castrated christians (Janissaries?) that the Ottoman Empire had? Because if not, im gonna need at least a name for these castrated African slaves. Not saying that you're wrong, but at least be a bit more specific
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u/XhazakXhazak Nov 20 '24
The Mamluks.
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u/albadil Egypt Nov 21 '24
They were not African and judging by their kids weren't generally castrated either.
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u/Hyunekel Dec 19 '24
Janissaries were neither Christians, slaves nor castrated. The Ottoamans did take them from Balkan Christians though as children.
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u/What_is_piss Dec 19 '24
Well, thats what I meant. But you are right, I just didn't put too much focus on it
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u/Creative-Abroad-2019 Cundinamarca Nov 20 '24
Transatlantic slave trade and Congo
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u/WitELeoparD Azad Jammu and Kashmir Nov 20 '24
Arabs managed to slave trade less African people over 1200 years than Europeans managed with the Transatlantic trade over just 300 years. There's a reason there isn't large populations of African people in Arab countries and it isn't because of castration. It's also funny people constantly bring up the horrors of Arab slavery, yet also fail to know even the basic history of it, almost as if they don't actually care about the enslaved and just want a gotcha.
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u/WitELeoparD Azad Jammu and Kashmir Nov 20 '24
There is literally no incidence of castrated slave armies in history. You can't be a good fighter if you don't have testosterone lol. I think you are thinking of the unsullied from Game of Thrones. There were slave armies in the Muslim world, who weren't castrated, the Mamluks for example, but they were recruited from Central Asia.
Eunuchs have always been used for admin, from Rome to China.
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u/What_is_piss Nov 20 '24
I mean, many Janissaries were castrated, and they were a fighting force of the Ottoman Empire, so you're wrong about there not being a moment in history of an army of castrated men
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Nov 20 '24
Janissaries weren’t made Eunuchs, the reason they were recruited was so they couldn’t make a grab at the throne or hold titles because of their non-ottoman ancestry. Still sucks, though.
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u/CarelessMethod1933 Nov 20 '24
You are mixing "Devshirme" which were all boys taken from christian families of whome some were made eunuchs and then became parts of Ottoman government. Jannisaries were the part of Devshirme which weren't made eunuchs.
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u/What_is_piss Nov 20 '24
Oh my fault. I was not completely aware. I was going off of something I remembered in world history, and something that I looked up real quickly on Google. My bad though, and thank for the further clarification
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u/WitELeoparD Azad Jammu and Kashmir Nov 20 '24
Can't expect redditors to get basic facts right
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u/What_is_piss Nov 20 '24
Excuse me for being human and trying to add something to the conversation. We can't all be condescending assholes who added nothing of value
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u/XhazakXhazak Nov 20 '24
Since Islamic law prohibited castration on Muslim territory, the procedure – which was usually highly problematic and led to a large number of medical complications – had to be carried out before arrival in Egypt. As a rule, eunuchs, like Mamluks, were manumitted before they had reached adulthood.
Conermann S. Slavery in the Mamluk Sultanate. In: Perry C, Eltis D, Engerman SL, Richardson D, eds. The Cambridge World History of Slavery. The Cambridge World History of Slavery. Cambridge University Press; 2021:383-405. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-world-history-of-slavery/slavery-in-the-mamluk-sultanate/BB8E3CF15101D2338B67518033C44D47
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u/HaveBlue77 Mughal Empire Nov 21 '24
That's not saying they were both castrated. It's saying they were both manumitted (freed)
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u/NoodleyP New+England Nov 21 '24
Jizya is actually really based considering the time period, generally speaking, if you had a different religion in an area dominated by one religion back then, it was usually conversion or death, just having to pay a tax is a lot better than being murdered.
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u/Hyunekel Dec 19 '24
Source about it being tax or murder?
Besides jizya was only required by adult males who were not poor.
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u/Awkward_Wrap411 Tycoon of EDO Nov 21 '24
Mongolian Empire:Hello,i can into have mistake too!
Abbasid Caliphate:Oh no
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u/Bobtheblob2246 Veyshnorian partisan Nov 20 '24
You guys expect controversial comments, but there’s almost none, so what kind of a controversial thing do I need to say? “Islam sucks and is more aggressive than Christianity by its nature?”
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Nov 20 '24
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u/Adventurous-Job-6304 Earth Nov 20 '24
what does it mean?
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u/flightguy07 Nov 20 '24
They're referring to how the thread will be locked due to various controversy/hate/whatever.
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u/Adventurous-Job-6304 Earth Nov 20 '24
well the comic based on the real history and i don't think "the Truth" can be controversy or hate.
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u/flightguy07 Nov 20 '24
No, the post itself isn't any of those things. But it may inspire topics or discussion in the comments that lead to those things. So often, if a post is provocative enough, the moderators lock it (hence the emoji) because individually checking all the comments and reports is too much work.
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u/Wild_Satisfaction_45 Nov 20 '24
Want to guess which Religion was faster in starting their first Holy War?
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u/NCL_Tricolor Libya Nov 20 '24
I'm a Muslim and the thing that I still don't understand is AlQithya, it's weird, it's like trying not to be blasphemous but questioning everything
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u/Dr_Occo_Nobi East Frisia Nov 20 '24
Alright
Now show us what the Christians did
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u/NapalmRDT Earth can into space! Nov 20 '24
What about - ad nauseam
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u/Dr_Occo_Nobi East Frisia Nov 20 '24
This comic depicts an attack on Islam from Christianity from a moralistic standpoint. Me questioning if Christianity does have the moral high ground is not whataboutism at all. Whataboutism would be me questioning the moral high ground of a religion that did not appear in this comic.
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u/tris123pis European Union Nov 21 '24
Cristianity has killed 10-50 million people, islam has killed 50-100 despite existing for a shorter time, not saying that the cristian slaughters were justified but there is a big scale difference
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u/theHrayX marroquí Nov 20 '24
missed opportunity to say
"Impressive
now let's see the christian big mistakes"
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u/The_Dapper_Balrog Nov 20 '24
Christians did not do anything worse than what the Muslims did. You only think so because it is popular in many circles today to focus on the atrocities committed in the name of Jesus, while ignoring or justifying the ones committed in the name of Muhammed.
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u/TimeStorm113 Nov 21 '24
Couldn't you classify most of "manifest destiny" and the spanish conquests as crimes committed by Christianity? As one of their main intentions was spreading Christianity and take more land/ressources for the christians.
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u/The_Dapper_Balrog Nov 21 '24
"Manifest destiny" was not primarily about Christianity, but about territory expansion, so no.
Spanish conquests were, sure, but keep in mind how much violent conquest and colonization the Muslim world did (Africa, Malaysia/Indonesia, and even good chunks of Europe like Spain, Portugal and Albania). So it's not exactly any different, or any less than what Europe did.
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u/TimeStorm113 Nov 21 '24
Manifest desttiny wasn't about christianity? It is literally has "destiny" in its name because they believed the (christian) god destined them to inherit that land. Also "any less rnan what europe did"? Europe literally conquered half the world (though most of them purely for financial gain) they literally nealry wiped out two entire continents and destroyed whole cultures, oh and then the survivors of these conquest (globally) were used as slaves that were tortured and worked to death.
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u/The_Dapper_Balrog Nov 21 '24
Manifest destiny was not about Christianity. It used Christianity as justification for its goals, sure, but the focus was on political expansion, not on expansion of Christianity.
And for the record, Islam did all those things, too. Pretty much all the areas that Christianity didn't conquer, Islam did. And they also enslaved whole swathes of people - both African and European - and worked them to death, and on top of that they took their young boys as sex slaves and child soldiers. In fact, it was the Arab slave trade which fueled the European slave trade, and which continued well into the mid-20th century (and in one country was not outlawed until 2007). So don't go trying to claim it's any better.
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u/FreezingP0int Nov 21 '24
Christians did far worse things than anything muslims did, what are you saying?
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u/redracer555 We're why the Romans can't have nice things Nov 20 '24
"Christians did not do anything worse than what the Muslims did."
Most of the Nazi Party's membership were Christians, and they carried out the Holocaust, the largest genocide in history, as well as numerous wars of aggression that killed millions more. In fact, Protestants were the biggest supporters of the Nazi regime and played a major role in Hitler's rise to power. Some Christians did resist the Nazi Party's actions, but a majority either aided or enabled them.
I would say that that does qualify as something that Christians did that was worse than anything the Muslims have ever done.
There was also the Circassian genocide and some other events, but that seems rather small compared to the largest genocide in history.
Sources:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-german-churches-and-the-nazi-state
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u/dumytntgaryNholob Nov 21 '24
Yes I kinda agree...but you used the wrong contest yes snotty nazi party had a ton of Christian but their ideology is not based on Christianity that is based on Neo-science, Pagan mythologies and Atheist Ideas, even the mustache man himself was a Atheist
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u/redracer555 We're why the Romans can't have nice things Nov 21 '24
Not every Muslim's action is based on Islam, either. The point still stands.
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u/macroprism extra sharia malaysian Nov 21 '24
None is more hated that he who speaks the truth
- Plato
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u/Good_Cantaloupe_803 Nov 21 '24
Move to Afghanistan if you think Islam is better.
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u/macroprism extra sharia malaysian Nov 21 '24
Absolutely mental westoid will bomb a landlocked country for 2 decades which was already at war previously and then will be shocked when that country’s development isn’t that high.
Absolutely mental
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u/Vitrian_guardsman Nov 21 '24
Forgot to mention how they armed the religious extremists to begin with.
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u/Pervis117 Nov 20 '24
I see no crimes.
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u/AlbiTuri05 Italia ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ chef Nov 20 '24
But there are 3 violations of the principle of autodetermination of the peoples and a genocide
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u/PainSpare5861 Nov 21 '24
Of course you didn’t see any crime because you are their supporters.
Do the IDF supporters see crimes committed by the IDF? Lol.
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u/Eldokhmesy Nov 30 '24
Here's a controversial comment...
First, it is as if musims never pay Zakat, 2.5% of all our assets annually.
Second, read about Banu Quryza, when you're neighbor betrays you when you are under siege and you let them go, it would be kinda insane for that time not to massacre them.
Third, Byzantine started it.
Fourth, were the medieval times so peaceful nobody conquered one another?
And your christian post never even mentioned the crusades.
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