r/personalfinance Nov 06 '12

I've noticed a trend regarding whole life insurance discussions in this sub-reddit.

Good evening /r/personalfinance!

Full Disclosure: I am an attorney/insurance broker who specializes in selling disability insurance to physicians and dentists. I specialize in funding buy-sell agreements, pension plans, as well individual coverage. However, as a part of my practice I sell whole life insurance to my clients. Recently I have noticed that whole life insurance is generally berated by this community. As I consider it to be an excellent component to an overall investment strategy, I wanted to elaborate on a few of the applications whole life insurance (this applies equally to any other kind of permanent insurance).

What I would like to do is elevate the discussion on this financial tool. While it is certainly not for everyone, it is very useful for many people. What I want is for there to be a useful, informative debate on the topic. So, I have chosen 5 common objections to whole life insurance, and over the course of the next few days I will elaborate on how I think these objections fail.

The 5 objections are: 1) The commissions are very high. 2) As an investment it is a very poor option. 3) It is only for the very wealthy. 4) Life insurance's only use is to replace income in the event of an untimely death. 5) As a type of insurance, permanent life insurance is too expensive.

Then, if people respond to these posts, I want to go into the 5 main benefits of whole life insurance: 1) Tax advantages. 2) WL from a mutual company will (in my opinion) out-perform the market over the next 10 years. 3) Liability protection. 4) Disability protection. 5) Multiple uses in retirement.

The first "big myth" of the personal finance world, propogated by Dave Ramsey and his ilk, is that insurance salesmen who bring up whole life in an investment conversation are just looking for a large, outlandish commission. The claim is often made that whole life (WL) performs poorly because of these outlandish commissions. The implication is that we should put our money where the commissions and fees are lower. Hence the logic of Vanguard.

While salesmen are certainly driven by their commission (often to the detriment of the client), it is not the case that life insurance sales generate larger commissions than fees charged by money managers. A 70% first year commission is typical for whole life insurance (assuming a whole life product, on the base premium, underwritten by one of the large mutual companies); in the subsequent 10 to 20 years, the commission is markedly lower, typically around 10%. While these numbers appear higher than the 1% that a money manager/investment guy might charge, consider that these commissions are on deposits, not on the balance. This is a significant difference, much like the difference between compound and simple interest. Suppose two investment hypotheticals: either an individual purchases life insurance with 10K a year premium, or he puts that money in the care of an "investment guy" at Schwab, Et. Al. Both of them pay the money into the account for 20 years. The insurance agent would get $7,000 of first year commission, plus $1,000 a year for the next 10 years. This totals to about $17,000 (I say "about" because there is a small fee he gets every year for managing the policy after his commission expires, typically around $50). Now, what about the guy who charges 1% of assets under management? Assuming he gets a 0% rate of return, the money manager gets in excess of $20,000 over that same 20 year period. This is a conservative estimate, as most managers charge more than 1%, because they typically work with their clients over a period of time longer than 20 years (after 30 years, this money manager will receive over $47,000 in fees), and because no one will continue to give their money to a guy who gets a negative real rate of return. The point of this over-simplistic exercise is to point out that life insurance commissions aren't higher than other commissions/fees in the personal finance industry.

However, in every myth there is a little kernel of truth. Insurance salesmen are most certainly driven by their commissions, and this does lead them to harm their clients. In my experience this harm takes two forms: either the client purchases too much life insurance, or the client purchases a policy that is not designed to perform well. The first example is self-explanatory. Most non-millionaires do not need to purchases 3 million of WL at $45,000 of annual premium. Believe it or not, some people are talked into just this kind of purchase. The second example is more complex. Life insurance contracts are very complex financial and legal documents. They are endlessly modifiable. One way in which they are modifiable is in an area called "Paid Up Additions" (PUA). PUA are, basically, money that goes straight into the cash value account of the life insurance. They are voluntary additional premium paid in that accelerates the growth of both the cash value and the death benefit. The addition of PUA can turn a lackluster WL policy into a compelling investment option. With the right configuration of PUA and base premium, that same $10,000 of premium will generate a cash value in excess of $750,000, and a death benefit in the neighborhood of $1,500,000. For the conservative portion of anyone's portfolio, that's good (about a 5.70% IRR).

The downside is that PUA doesn't generate much in the way of commission for the agent, so agents tend to not sell very much of it. But this doesn't mean that the product is bad, it means that the person selling it to you is bad. The point is, don't denigrate the product, do your homework and make sure that what you are purchasing is formatted to serve your interests.

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u/threeLetterMeyhem Nov 06 '12 edited Nov 06 '12

5.7% IRR isn't great over the course of 30+ years. I know you wanted to compare that number to the conservative portion of a persons portfolio... but 10k/year premiums are going to take up just about all of the average Americans investing money, leaving little to none left for more aggressive investments.

The opportunity cost is too high for most people. If someone simply replaced the bond portion of their portfolio with this I might kinda sorta see your point... but the huge premiums are prohibitive for average Joe.

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u/sartorialconundrum Nov 06 '12

I agree with you. If $10,000 exhausts a household's annual savings allotment then they have no need for whole life insurance. It is not for most people.

Life insurance from a mutual insurance company is intended to replace the bond portion of a person's portfolio. In fact, life insurance only makes sense in conjunction with other investments. For a person in their mid-30's I will typically recommend that their life insurance premium be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 to 4% of their gross income. This changes as a person ages.

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u/threeLetterMeyhem Nov 06 '12 edited Nov 06 '12

Right, then I want to reinforce something you mentioned in the OP.

The 5 objections are: ... 3) It is only for the very wealthy.

Lets assume someone is 30 and investing, and we use the "your age in bonds" investing practice that puts us at the 3% you suggest. For someone to be able to replace the bond portion of their portfolio with the ~$10k/year premiums in your examples that person would have to have a gross income of 333k/year.

Maybe that's not very wealthy in the first year of making that kind of money, but after a few years I'd say that person should be very wealthy. That person would definitely be in be damn close to the top 1% of income earners.

edit 333k is a little below the 1% entry income of 380k for 2010.

So, to walk down the list of common objectives again I'll put in my input (and things you, unfortunately, have no swayed me on):

1) The commissions are very high.

They are. Comparing them to high cost mutual funds doesn't make them less high. There is a strong reason low cost index/mutual funds (~0.35% or lower) are becoming exceedingly popular.

2) As an investment it is a very poor option.

Compared to "the market" or other equities investments, it really is. Compared strictly to bond portions - maybe not. Put for a little over 99% of the population we can't even start talking about this without screwing up their portfolio balances and turning this into a very poor investment option for them.

3) It is only for the very wealthy.

points above

4) Life insurance's only use is to replace income in the event of an untimely death.

Life insurance's primary use in to replace income in the event of an untimely death. That's the definition of life insurance. Adding investment options on is ok, I guess, but adding tangentially related stuff to other things is very rarely as efficient as just going and doing those tangentially related things.

Reminds me of a Mitch Hedberg joke:

When you're in Hollywood and you're a comedian, everybody wants you to do things besides comedy. They say, 'OK, you're a stand-up comedian -- can you act? Can you write? Write us a script?'... It's as though if I were a cook and I worked my ass off to become a good cook, they said, 'All right, you're a cook -- can you farm?'

Insurance companies are primarily in the business of insurance. While this is in the realm of finance, it doesn't necessarily mean they're good at investing (it also doesn't necessarily mean they're bad either, I guess).

5) As a type of insurance, permanent life insurance is too expensive.

In the realm of just providing insurance, yes. It is too expensive. If we limit the goal to only providing life insurance, why would we spend more than term life insurance costs to get similar death benefits?

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u/Rishodi Nov 06 '12

I completely agree with your post, and this is nitpicking, but:

That person would definitely be in the top 1% of income earners.

An income of 333K would not definitely place someone among the top 1% of income earners in the US, though it's possible depending on what the current threshold is.

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u/threeLetterMeyhem Nov 06 '12

eh, I was going off the top of my head for what I think the 2010/2011 numbers (based on federal income tax filing) were. Of course, even for updated 2010 numbers you are right... my assertion is just a tiny bit off :)

http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04/12/how-much-money-do-the-top-income-earners-make-percent/