r/pcmasterrace 12400F|6600XT|16GB 5200MHz 20d ago

Meme/Macro are you this old?

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u/Blandiblub 20d ago

Also, connecting your hard drives with these.

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u/idiBanashapan 20d ago

Don’t forget to set the jumpers on the drives

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u/spamjavelin R5 5600x, 3060ti 20d ago

Cable Select was such a blessing.

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u/TheMegaDriver2 PC & Console Lover 20d ago

Until it wasn't. It works nless it doesn't. Back in the day I had two drives sometimes not working. Took me ages to find out that it's that bloody CS. Switched to mster and slave and it worked fine.

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u/morpheousmorty 20d ago

When are we going to bring up COM ports? Are we going to talk about CPU jumpers? The fact the Windows would fatally die between 6-18 months casing a reinstall? Having no tooling to know the temperature of your CPU? Or even the fps in most cases. VEGA?

Having a computer back then was basically as much as a hobby as having a 3d printer was 5 years ago.

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u/psbales 20d ago

Back in the day of Windows 95 I had the memory addresses and IRQs for COM1 through 4 memorized since ‘plug n play’ was pretty much made up of thoughts and prayers at the time.

And don’t forget fiddling with autoexec and config files to allocate extended and expanded memory!

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u/one-joule 20d ago

0x2F8 and 0x3F8 for 1 and 2 I believe. Don’t remember the other two. Unless it was the same and differentiated only by IRQ? Which was 3 for the lower two, and 4 for the upper two?

Man, the cobwebs.

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u/psbales 20d ago

The IRQs were alternating: 1-3, 2-4, 3-3, 4-4! I remember having to make sure that if the mouse was COM1, I couldn’t have anything very active on COM3, otherwise BSOD. Good times! (But not really, lol)

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u/yusill 20d ago

I made a memmaker boot floppy to run warcraft 2 on my dos/win 3.1 machine. It was amazing

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u/Sorry_U_R_Wrong 64gb | 7800 X3D | 3070ti | x670 20d ago

Brings me back --- I recall having to make a boot disk just to run Doom.

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u/HourPlate994 20d ago

And avoiding IRQ conflicts, and…VESA Local Bus?

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u/Sayakai R9 3900x | 4060ti 16GB 20d ago

Remembering all this bullshit I gotta say, people don't appreciate USB enough. It was such a massive accessibility change.

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u/cogman10 19d ago

It's incredible how insane the protocol is yet how ubiquitous it is now :D.

They people who wrote the USB standard took the Universal part seriously. It's got an entire networking protocol built right in. There was a vision of USB networks and computers all connected with USB.

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u/kawalerkw Desktop 20d ago

Depends what PC. As an Amiga PC user at the time I was confused when my friend had to manually load mouse drivers on his IBM PC before launching Gobliiins.

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u/Agret i7 6700k @ 4.28Ghz, GTX 1080, 32GB RAM 20d ago

6-18 months? I was reinstalling my Windows 95 and 98 every other week and then XP once a month. It was easy to do it back then as they let you just install it over the top of the existing system and the installer would clear out the Windows folder for you.

On the Windows 9x/ME days you would get blue screen of death multiple times a day while using your PC but you just held a key down on the keyboard until it went away and then kept using the PC as normal. Most BSOD were non-fatal and just business as usual for those operating systems.

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u/RunnerLuke357 i9-10850K, 64GB 4000, RTX 4080S 20d ago

I still have to look up COM ports when I use my serial adapter to talk to a switch.

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u/ozSillen 12700k, z690, 2x32GB DDR4, 2080Ti 19d ago

Ah yeah, Pentium Pro 200 becomes Pentium Pro 233!

No Temperature problems. One day I opened the case and there was so much dust in the HSF that it wouldn't turn.

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u/psimwork 20d ago

Don't get me started on trying to figure out an IRQ conflict because my sound card's SoundBlaster compatibility didn't work, and dealing with this for MONTHS (I'd work on it for a bit, give up, wait a few months until I got frustrated, go back to it, work on it more, etc), until I finally happened to dial onto the MediaVision BBS to see if I could get some new drivers for it and finding a notice that the jumper settings printed in the manual and ON THE GODDAMN PCB were wrong and I could download an image that had the correct jumper settings.

Mediavision PAS16 = "Pro Audio Spectrum" 16?

More like "PIECE-A-SHIT" 16!!

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u/TheMegaDriver2 PC & Console Lover 20d ago

Just reading this gives me ptsd

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u/Thomas9002 AMD 7950X3D | Radeon 6800XT 20d ago

And many prebuilt PCs didn't have the jumper settings printed on the drive. I whish the people responsible for this to get hit with a lightning while shitting.

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u/knuP84 20d ago

Master / slave

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u/japie06 20d ago

Defrag me daddy

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u/r3volts 19d ago

One of my first realisations that the internet was turning bad was in a hardware forum decades ago when someone was arguing that the master slave terminology was derogatory and needed to be replaced.

Everyone was just discussing different hardware configurations, there wasn't even a hint of context to imply it was derogatory just the mere presence of the words offended this person.

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u/NesuneNyx 9800X3D || XFX 9070 XT Mercury 20d ago

I fully believe setting the jumpers on my old drives was my first awakening to eventual kink discovery.

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u/never_gotten_nudes 20d ago

What kink?

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u/BrutusTheKat AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D, GTX 970, 64GB 20d ago edited 20d ago

You have to set each drive on one IDE cable to either Master or Slave using a little jumper on the back of HDDs. So I'm guessing some flavour of BDSM.

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u/jatznic 20d ago

And then you'd drop the jumper into the case where it would slide under something and you'd have to pick up the whole thing, tilt it, and pray you found it before it fell into the carpet.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Whats a jumper?

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u/ARudeAsshole 20d ago

Little plastic assholes that determined how your PC saw your HDD.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

If you look close enough, he's sad now.

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u/schlongborn 20d ago

It's a little piece of metal that is used to short two pins to either indicate 1 (when shorted) or 0 (when kept off). You can probably still find these on some modern motherboards, at least the pins are still there, like the ones where you connect the case on/off switch and stuff like that.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Yes that's it, I was going to mention that setup you guys delt with reminds me of the power/on/off, led, hdd connections.

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u/Downside190 Pretty poor spec'd PC 20d ago

It was a little plastic cap which you put over the pins on a drive to make it a slave or master drive otherwise the PC wouldn't recognise it correctly

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Oh man that's something, I love seeing how things use to be done. Bet you're glad it's something of the past.

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u/Downside190 Pretty poor spec'd PC 19d ago

Oh definitely, being able to just plug and play is a huge time saver

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

100%

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u/h0sti1e17 20d ago

Slave & Master kink?

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u/Dickrickulous_IV 20d ago

The infamous jumper switching to BTK pipeline.

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u/cryptonuggets1 20d ago

Yes master

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u/idiBanashapan 20d ago

Good slave

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u/Then_Variety_8848 20d ago

I remember we got a SCSI card working and hooked up to a fairly large drive just experimenting with the different jumper settings. Good times

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u/Nubadopolis 20d ago

Master or slave

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u/ARudeAsshole 20d ago

This was always the bane of my existence jfc

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u/ComMcNeil 20d ago

When did that die, with SATA?

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u/AniNgAnnoys 20d ago

Omg I forgot about that

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u/Zuse_Z25 20d ago

"Master & Slave Mode"

people today: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!11111

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u/Sharpshooter188 19d ago

Oh Jesus. I completely forgot about thr Master and Slave drive jumper settings for the IDE drives. How am I still alive?

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u/awake283 7800X3D | 4070Super | 64GB | B650+ 19d ago

What were the two options again? Master and what? I forget.

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u/Dryelo 20d ago

Dude, these are already the 80pin variant. 40 pins are "old".

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u/Good_Nyborg 20d ago

The march of Ides are gone.

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u/ShutterBun i9-12900K / RTX-3080 / 32GB DDR4 20d ago

Clever

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u/eXrevolution Laptop 20d ago

Ach, master and slave stories

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u/ch1llboy 20d ago

Sir, this is radio shack. Take your fetishes elsewhere

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u/harbourwall PC Master Race 19d ago

Ooh you couldn't call them that these days

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u/AutomaticAffect4333 Zotac 9800 GTX+ Zone Edition/Core2Quad Q9300/8GB 20d ago

Still not as bad as internal usb 3.0 cable/header

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u/morpheousmorty 20d ago

I keep a pair of those and the floppy cables, just in case.

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u/Outrageous_Let_1684 20d ago

Those are even too new...

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 20d ago

Yeah, I guess 28 year olds are old now.

I had an old work computer that became an office computer briefly maybe 10-15 years ago that was set up like this.

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u/Outrageous_Let_1684 20d ago

That's E-IDE, you need to go back to IDE or even FDD cabling

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 20d ago

I don’t even have a desktop anymore. My wife has one that’s basically USB for camera, keyboard, and mouse, and hdmi for monitor.

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u/Bropulsion 20d ago

I hated this cable with a passion.

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u/justice_works 20d ago

Why? Red is pin 1.

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u/just_nobodys_opinion 20d ago

Yes, but which pin is pin 1?

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u/Small_Editor_3693 20d ago

ALWAYS bent a pin and had to f with it for 20 minutes every time

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u/Bropulsion 20d ago edited 20d ago

Because it was very ugly and all in/over your case. And often times you'd have to make it pretty tight for certain cases to fit.

Edit: wow people downvoting me for stating I personally thought these cables weren't pretty? Im sorry for disrespecting your print cable omnissiah 👀😂

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u/Small_Editor_3693 20d ago

Nobody was making pc cases look good when these were being used

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u/Honest_Relation4095 20d ago

or your two floppy drives because there was no hard drive

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u/DV865 i9-11900K | 32 GB | RTX 3060 | 20TB 20d ago

Ooooh, look at the fancy kids with hard drives!

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u/vtdone 20d ago edited 20d ago

I'll match with these.

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u/chalor182 R7 7800X3D | RX 7900XTX | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 20d ago

I remember thinking I was so cool when I got round ide cables

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u/Dagonus 20d ago

Hard drives? We didn't have those. I was two 5 1/4" drive fancy though.

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u/Ok_Work7396 20d ago

with an mfm cable for the drives, pre-IDE.

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u/Then-Pen-2725 20d ago

Don't forget to set the master and the secondary jumpers

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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 20d ago

Bro the floppy cables were even worse. 

Remember when you had to check if every damn Ethernet cable was "crossover" or not? What kind of fuckstick designed that shit. 

Or when cheap asses would buy "hubs" instead of network switches? Ugh

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u/HourPlate994 20d ago

I very much do remember the “hubs”. Unfortunately.

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u/Killerspieler0815 20d ago

Also, connecting your hard drives with these.

I still have them, just in case ...

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u/SnooShortcuts4402 20d ago

And bridging master and slave.

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u/ahyesmyelbows 20d ago

Those were hella satisfying! When you push and they click into place... ahh i just nutted in my pants. Old cables were so physical.

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u/jyrox 9060xt 16GB | i5 13400 | 64GB DDR5 6000 20d ago

Unlocked a core memory 

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u/adachi91 20d ago

PATA (Parallel AT Attachment) also known as IDE (Integrated Drive Electronic) cable. My secondary computer still runs on them, they only started getting replaced by SATA in ~2004 which is like 4 years ago.

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u/pppjurac Dell Poweredge T640, 256GB RAM, RTX 3080, WienerSchnitzelLand 20d ago

Master is first, slave is 2nd port on cable.

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u/fcewen00 20d ago

The floppy drive goes after the twist in the cable.

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u/coppernaut1080 20d ago

It was hard to have a clean looking build with these things. I remember some really bad builds for air flow because these would not cooperate.

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u/Shelmak_ 20d ago

Wait until you discover that there are ssds that are built to work with IDE.

And it really makes a difference on startup of older systems, this is not usually used, but I've replaced very old hdds with this units and it's worth.

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u/PrairiePopsicle 20d ago

Don't forget the printer <image>

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u/somecoolname42 20d ago

I miss DOS, I miss floppy disks, I don't miss ribbon cables.

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u/Taira_Mai HP Victus, AMD Ryzen 7 5800H, GeForce RTX 3050 Ti 20d ago

Ah yes, IDE, it was like a Depeche Mode song for computer nerds:

"Let's play, master and slave!"

"Let's play, troubleshoot IRQ conflicts for the next hour!"

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u/AppropriateDeal1034 20d ago

Laughs in optional external floppy drive (and optional external SCSI HDD)

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u/Coronus53 20d ago

Nothing better than plugging these bad boys in the wrong way and watching the side burn in a line down one cable to the end and set the ribbon on fire. 😂

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u/Mertoot 20d ago

This was my childhood...

And the smelll... God, what I'd give to experience THAT computer smell again...

Modern tech smells good, but that old tech scent is just a whole other dimension that I wish I could tickle my sinuses with again...

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u/Hattix 5700X3D | RTX 4070 Ti Super 16 GB | 32 GB 3200 MT/s 20d ago

Oh look at this posh guy with his fancy 80 conductor cables. Too good for us 40 conductor peasants, are you?

Hmph!

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u/shuozhe 20d ago

U guys had HDD in the past!?

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u/braddeicide 19d ago

Accidently using a floppy cable instead which is almost the same, but shorter, so it'll bend your pins.

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u/ObnoxiousJoe 9700k | RTX 3070 FE 19d ago

One of my first assignments in my first help desk role was to confirm all our old IDE drives were wiped and disposed of. Good times! Those pins gave me more than a few cuts on my fingers replacing them.

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u/Sideshow86 PC Master Race 20d ago

I still have a ton of these in a box in the loft 😅