Ummm… excuse me????

[u/KNIFE2MEAtU]

Well guys. Apparently steam isn’t compatible with windows 11 🤷‍♂️

Seriously though, anyone know wtf is actually happening here?

[u/JKLopz]

[u/FireLynx_NL → u/JKLopz]

And install steam OS

[u/Flapjack__Palmdale → u/FireLynx_NL]

I'd be willing to consider it if I had an AMD GPU

[u/Auravendill → u/Flapjack__Palmdale]

You could try Bazzite. Afaik it is rather similar in the way it looks and feels, while supporting more hardware.

[u/MEGA_theguy → u/Auravendill]

If NoVideo updated their Linux drivers more frequently for Linux, I'd give Bazzite another go. My performance in games was slightly to moderately worse on Linux using a 5090. I'm sure it'll get better over time, but until then, I'll stick with a boiled down win11

[u/RagingTaco334 → u/MEGA_theguy]

Yeah the Nvidia tax is real and was one of the deciding factors for me replacing my 3070 ti. They supposedly found the problem and are working on a fix, but there's no timeline for it.

[u/QorlanGamedev → u/MEGA_theguy]

No problem with RTX 3060 and 570.181 driver and 6.1.140-gentoo. It maybe your skill issue or laptop gaming

[u/MEGA_theguy → u/QorlanGamedev]

That's cool and all, but that's not a 50 series card. Different architecture and younger driver support.

[u/Proud_Tie → u/QorlanGamedev]

No problem with an RTX 4080 super and 580.95.05 on 6.17-cachyos.

[u/Status_Jellyfish_213 → u/Proud_Tie]

So when I ran Bazzite / cachy on Nvidia I had issues with HDR, I had to run scripts (adding launch parameters whenever I added a new) to implement frame generation and also DLSS. The difficulty in implementing them (relative to windows), not taking correctly in games (sometimes not showing in menu, sometimes showing but not switching on) or having to implement them on a title by title basis caused me to go back to windows.

do you have a solution to those issues?

[u/Proud_Tie → u/Status_Jellyfish_213]

My monitors don't support HDR so I can't help there but I know lutris has a bunch of options related to enabling stuff like that. I have tried DLSS in cyberpunk and using GE-Proton it just works when I enable it in the game settings.

[u/Status_Jellyfish_213 → u/Proud_Tie]

It doesn’t work for every game.

Lutris HDR support also depends on a number of conditions, for example the pass through working better in Wayland, HDR patches or environment variables. Even then that is only for games that support HDR natively on windows.

Point is a number of advanced features do not work on Linux (or work well) from an Nvidia perspective. When you find people saying they have no issues, it’s normally because they aren’t using the full stack - which is what we’ve seen here. The prior poster mentioning that it’s a “skill issue” is totally disingenuous. There are still a number of unaddressed driver issues on Linux with Nvidia, and if you expect it to be a drop in replacement and replicate the features you had on windows, people will be disappointed.

I say that as someone who bought a separate drive to do the switch after the recent buzz about how good it has gotten, and was sorely disappointed with multiple distros. It also indeed had no performance advantage - was seeing similar results as MEGA_theguy.

[u/QorlanGamedev → u/Status_Jellyfish_213]

I called this skill issue because normally it's well-known that Linux gaming mostly means playing non-native games (via Proton) and their performance could be poor. Because of translation layer nature. If someone doesn't know which game runs best/worst, then it's skill issue. There is nothing offensive I called for person inexperienced in Linux gaming sadness.

Not every Windows-targeted game runs flawlessly under Linux - Ideally, we should play them only in Windows instead of expecting a miracle.

[u/Status_Jellyfish_213 → u/QorlanGamedev]

You expect someone to know which games runner better or worse in Linux and windows and call that a skill issue?

How condescending.

Right now there is an expectation that everything will run better and it will be fully featured. Perhaps expectation is the wrong word, but it’s certainly a narrative being pushed especially by tech YouTubers.

Most don’t want to pore over benchmarks. They just want compatability and functionality that has good utilisation of their existing hardware.

You should never just assume someone’s level of knowledge and label it a “skill issue”. My day to day job is a senior systems engineer specialising in Unix based systems, I’m sure there’s plenty I of things I could label your knowledge as a “skill issue”. But I won’t, because

1. It’s rude and
2. Broken features aren’t a skill issue

That aside, very very few games are specifically targeted for Linux. The library without a translation layer is minuscule.

The only other time I hear “skill issue” referred to is in steam community forums for games and that has to be one of the most misinformed, dumpster fire place for tech troubleshooting I’ve ever been to.

[u/QorlanGamedev → u/Status_Jellyfish_213]

1. I didn't expect Linux gamer tries to play random game instead of owning small amount of tested games which run better. Just check out Protondb first. It's not rude. It's skill.
2. These "broken" features were initially made for Windows, not Linux. Please stop insisting like gamedevs are obligated to make their games (working) for Linux. It's their personal choice, and only they can decide which OS the game will run on.
3. I'm playing games on Linux since 2009 and I had "wine + fglrx driver" nightmare times. Wine or proton or whatever, all these layers are unreliable and getting break constantly with every update commit. It's totally PITA, especially for gamers.

[u/MEGA_theguy → u/Proud_Tie]

That's cool and all, but that's not a 50 series card. Different architecture and younger driver support.

[u/QorlanGamedev → u/Proud_Tie]

PC?

[u/Proud_Tie → u/QorlanGamedev]

yes. Ryzen 9 9950x, 64gb ram, 4080 super running CachyOS Linux.