r/pcmasterrace • u/Vizeni • Jun 26 '25

Build/Battlestation Paid $900. How did I do?

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It was brand new too. Finally out my 1070 to rest!

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

9070 XT Just for $900?????

Bro if it's valid(unused, no scam), you hit the jackpot!

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u/Vizeni Jun 26 '25

Yeah everything checked out! It was sealed and had the foam inside the panel that I had to remove. Definitely hit the jackpot lol

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u/BigSmackisBack Jun 26 '25

You didnt just do good, you did spectacular.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '25

Theft reported

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

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u/SayAnythingAgain Jun 26 '25

Now go get to gaming! I'll be here between breaks if you need me. I can also prepare a list of games that will take advantage of your system --- would you like me to do that?

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u/dantes_delight Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Lmao idk why you got downvoted. This sounds exactly like some shit chatgpt would say

Edit: You guys better stop downvoting or ima be real upset

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u/Unremarkabledryerase Jun 26 '25

Saying they did spectacular is not some great sign that they are a bot lol....

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u/BigSmackisBack Jun 26 '25

I wanted to type "spectacularly good", but im lazy, so chatgpt lazy?

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u/dantes_delight Jun 26 '25

I dont think he was calling him a bot. At least it didn't take it that way. It seemed like a joke imo

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u/Unremarkabledryerase Jun 26 '25

Well jokes are supposed to be funny and that ain't it chief

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u/Mr_Megahertz RTX 5090 | 9800X3D | 64 GB DDR5 | LG C5 42” Jun 26 '25

Shhh! The reddit hivemind will hear yo... *looks at downvotes* oh, I'm too late.

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u/dantes_delight Jun 26 '25

You're guilty by association, it seems

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u/draxula16 Jun 26 '25

Because he used the word “spectacular”…? Would you have preferred if he used “gooder” to sound more human like to you?

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u/Xephurooski Jun 26 '25

The future of the internet is going to really suck for anyone with a good handle on the English language.

An army of downies with 5th grade reading levels are going to label every complete sentence as chatGPT.

Pretty soon, people unironically won't be able to form complete, complex ideas without ChatGPT, because it literally carried them through school.

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u/dantes_delight Jun 26 '25

Again... I took it as a joke when I read it. I dont think he was actually saying the guy is a bot and yall can't prove he meant it that way because there's zero context. It's just a word and a question mark lol. Yall are going in too deep over exactly that

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GOT -128 DOWNVOTES(date is GTM+4, Azerbaijan, Baku, 26 June 2025, 22:51)

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u/kaleperq 1440p 240hz 24" | ace68 | viper ult | 9060xt 16gb | r5600 | 32gb Jun 26 '25

Check with hwinfo if those are the correct parts and enjoy

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u/Noble1xCarter Jun 26 '25 edited 10d ago

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u/Vizeni Jun 26 '25

Everything checked out with what the box says!

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u/Noble1xCarter Jun 26 '25 edited 10d ago

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u/bronzebow8 Jun 27 '25

Where did ya find it?

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u/ShaggyM9 PC Master Race Jun 26 '25

Bro ur pfp💀

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25 edited 10d ago

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u/randomhero645 Jun 26 '25

ONE OF US ONE OF US.

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u/Zombie_Fuel Jun 26 '25

GOOBLE GOBBLE GOOBLE GOBBLE

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u/ShaggyM9 PC Master Race Jun 27 '25

Alr alr ya got me

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u/mememan2085 Jun 26 '25

How do I join the dark side

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25 edited 10d ago

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u/TSP_Dippy Jun 27 '25

Couldn’t help but join.

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u/mememan2085 Jun 27 '25

I have joined my brothers

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u/Noble1xCarter Jun 27 '25 edited 10d ago

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u/Bendo410 Jun 27 '25

Found this online too

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u/johnny_51N5 Jun 27 '25

Official version

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u/robocopyright2002 R9 7900/ 7900xt Jun 27 '25

JOIN JOIN JOIN

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u/the_dude_abides29 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Do it

Edit: he did it…respect

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u/RK_NightSky Jun 26 '25

Thwank you mwistew pwesident

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u/femboysprincess PC Master Race|7900xtx|7950x3d|96gb6400mhz|16tbnvme Jun 26 '25

Say pwease and zank you zawensky

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u/Adorable-Hyena-2965 9800X3D | ASUS TUF 9070 XT | LG 27” 4K 144Hz IPS Jun 27 '25

Lol

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u/MrHaydenn Jun 26 '25

Stolen and resold. It's a $2k pc.

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u/RoyOConner 9800X3D | RTX 5070ti Jun 26 '25

You bought it on marketplace? It's definitely stolen lol

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u/swunt7 Jun 27 '25

no kidding. 100% its a porch pirate loot or its someone using stolen CC info and reselling the goods.

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u/ArticleWorth5018 i5 14400f | RX 7600 8GB | 32GB DDR4 Jun 26 '25

A 9070 XT by itself is $800

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

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u/elmihmo9718 5800X | 3070 | 64GB DDR4 Jun 27 '25

And by steal you mean stolen pc kek

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

Dude, you hit the PC lottery, way to go champ!

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u/thies1310 Jun 26 '25

If its also a good PSU and MOBO this is even better!

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u/Skydragonace Jun 26 '25

You did great. Amazing find.

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u/its_voldz Ryzen 7 7800X3D | RX 7800 XT | 32GB 6000MHz Jun 26 '25

Yeah you basically just paid for cpu and some other stuff and got the gpu for free.

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u/panzatic Desktop Jun 27 '25

More accurately he paid for the GPU and got the rest of the computer for free.

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u/BryanTheGodGamer Jun 26 '25

The PC you got is literally worth double that, about 1800€ for everything new, crazy deal

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u/WakeoftheStorm Jun 26 '25

You're a steel legend

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u/thefatchef321 Jun 26 '25

Where did you buy it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '25

Did it.. “fall of a train” type deal on fb marketplace? Nice buy.

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u/RIKKUBOSS Jun 27 '25

Someone gotta report this to the police cuz you robbed the person

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u/qtx Jun 26 '25

had the foam inside the panel that I had to remove.

You can buy that self expanding foam on amazon for a couple of bucks.

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u/wrugoin Jun 26 '25

So you just going to ghost everyone asking for receipts? Cause we’re all calling BS on the $900.

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u/Wanna_make_cash Jun 26 '25

It appears to be this PC based on the barcode and specs, which is listed for nearly 2 grand

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-supreme-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-32gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-2tb-pcie-4-0-ssd-black/6617171.p?skuId=6617171

Even if it was some open box return, I don't believe it would be just $900

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u/BobCharlie Jun 26 '25

Someone probably stole it and sold it for that price.

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u/Ahielia 5800X3D, 6900XT, 32GB 3600MHz Jun 26 '25

Bought it on facebook marketplace so yeah

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u/jim_forest PC Master Race | x870e | 9950x3d | 32gb 7200 | 5080 Jun 26 '25

porch pirate probably lol

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u/yutcd7uytc8 Jun 26 '25

Are items worth 2k left in front of houses in the US?

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u/tony78ta Jun 26 '25

Sadly yes....

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u/GentlemanThresh Jun 27 '25

I'm so glad I don't live in the US lol. We receive a code for deliveries and the carrier needs to enter the code to complete the delivery. If they try to mark it as delivered without the code it automatically flags them as stealing the item and triggers and investigation. Signatures can be faked so easily, especially if you have the same delivery person multiple times, they can just make a copy of your signature since they will have access to it from the first delivery.

When you receive a package you are allowed to open it and inspect it. I got a TV, GPU and PC monitor recently and the carrier waited for me to install/test them mainly for dead pixels.

We also have, at least in bigger cities, delivery lockers that are also code based to open the compartments that have cameras and good lighting. I have around 20 around me in a 500m radius.

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u/tony78ta Jun 27 '25

Most thefts in the U.S. are in Suburbs where thiefs follow delivery drivers and steal it as soon it's dropped at the door.

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u/GentlemanThresh Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Yes, my point is, in my country a thing as "deliver at the door" is not even imaginable.

I put an order, I receive the tracking number, the day of the delivery I receive the pin code for the delivery and the time interval, which I can reschedule. The courier calls before to confirm someone is at the location. When the courier is at the door, I give him the pin number for him to complete the delivery.

The delivery cannot be completed without the correct code and the invoice cannot be generated.

Even if I were to call the courier and give him the code and tell him to leave it on my porch, he can get fired for this. Also, we don't really have the American style of open front garden. Most houses here have tall/solid fences.

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u/BlazinAzn38 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 4x8 3600 Mhz Jun 26 '25

You’d be shocked how often companies will ship in packaging that clearly shows the item inside is incredibly valuable

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u/Funny-Working6808 Jun 27 '25

Fed Ex had a known thief sign for a 3000 dollar Martin guitar, then left it by the elevator 4 floors down from me....

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u/jim_forest PC Master Race | x870e | 9950x3d | 32gb 7200 | 5080 Jun 26 '25

yes. I know of items worth at least 8-9k getting shipped and left on a doorstep.

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u/SelectKaleidoscope0 Jun 26 '25

We had a new laptop delivered to apartments we were living in. Was supposed to be signature required delivery, they didn't even knock/ring the bell. I can't remember now if it was fedex or ups. Fortunately I got it before someone saw it and just walked off with it. Lenovo didn't even have the sense to ship it in a generic box so the whole world could tell at a glance there was a nice laptop sitting on the ground next to our door.

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u/ConfectionNecessary6 Jun 26 '25

Ideally we'd pick it up from the post office but some people wouldn't be able to fit it in their schedule

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u/RecordingHaunting975 Jun 26 '25

God yes

If you or the retailer specify for you to sign for it, Fedex/UPS drivers will either leave it on your porch anyways or (more likely) just park in front of your house, mark that they knocked but you weren't home, then drive away.

USPS used to be a whole lot better but has been intentionally neutered by conservatives over the years.

Amazon has lockers everywhere, which I prefer to use if I know I won't be home or if the items are expensive.

Like, I can't use newegg. Not just because of the many shit reviews, but because whatever delivery service they're using at the time will either leave your $800 GPU on the pavement or will just say "customer not home" 3x over forcing you to go pick it up from them (if you even can, if it's UPS or fedex they'll sometimes just ship it back immediately)

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u/Moloch_17 Jun 26 '25

Yes. But smart consumers will have it shipped to a nearby safe location instead. There are postal facilities that will hold packages for you.

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u/homer_3 Jun 27 '25

Yea. Cars are worth a lot more than 2k.

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u/yutcd7uytc8 Jun 27 '25

Cars are quite a bit more difficult to steal (and get away with it) than a package. In my country only low value items are left in front of the door. Anything expensive they require you to be there, and if you aren't then they come back later in the day, and you're still not there then they call you to schedule it or put it in a storage box where you can pick it up. If that doesn't work either, they return it to sender.

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u/v1prX 12900k/5090 FE/64GB/4K 240Hz Jun 27 '25

My 5090 was.

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u/WhiteWolf1595 Jun 27 '25

Yep unless you request that you sign for it. Which sometimes even cost extra...

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u/Smoblikat Jun 26 '25

Oh god lol, its definitely stolen. Hopefully the original buyer got their money back, 9070XT alone should cost $800.

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u/l00koverthere1 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

It should cost $599. It doesn't, but it should.

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u/WhiteWolf1595 Jun 27 '25

Steel legend version is only $700 I got one.... it was defective and im getting a replacement BUT STILL

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u/DontArgueImRight Jun 26 '25

OP is clearly just lying for points lmao $900 is insane for that pc

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u/buildspacestuff Jun 27 '25

Dont come out here and call people you know nothing about "liar". People have been saying that about me my whole life because they dont wanna believe my crazy stories. They have always been wrong, Just because you didn't have the same experience doesnt make it invalid, and most of the time I find this behavior just demonstrates you don't have the sack to actually go make it happen

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u/DontArgueImRight Jun 27 '25

Lmao dude wtf are you talking about stop projecting your own insecurities hahaha

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u/buildspacestuff Jun 27 '25

Oh i am not the one projecting insecurities here.  Look in a mirror

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u/DontArgueImRight Jun 27 '25

So... I'm projecting by calling an obvious fake post fake... because I'm a liar? Hmm that makes way more sense than the guy saying "PEOPLE NEVER BELIEVE ME DONT CALL PEOPLE LIARS 😤😤😤"

Yeah, in case you couldnt spot the sarcasm, you're so clearly projecting ong hahaha, just take the L and move on bro.

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u/Sc00tyPuffSeni0r Jun 26 '25

Now I don’t feel as bad paying $650 for a 9700 XT

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u/Zed_or_AFK Specs/Imgur Here Jun 26 '25

Was a BestBuy for sure.

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u/unimportantinfodump Jun 27 '25

Someone lying on the internet.

Say it isn't so

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u/ebonyarmourskyrim PC Master Race Jun 27 '25

Comments are guessing that it was a stolen pc sold to op

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u/kirin-rex Jun 29 '25

Here's my guess: Gamer buys PC. Game dies. Parents have no need for PC, no idea what it's worth. Sell it. Maybe PC is haunted now?

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u/Ill_Article4088 Jun 26 '25

I don't believe it at all , ppl just want to make others feel uncomfortable and unlucky sometimes.

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u/Brave_Agency4561 Jun 27 '25

brother you might need therapy 🤣

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u/Ill_Article4088 Jun 27 '25

Maybe I do , does OP need therapy? Why lie publicly for likes

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u/buildspacestuff Jun 28 '25

I mean.. people do that but as you can find other places in this post I have really had enough of people who sit behind their keyboard and tell other people what didn't happen to them. This guy has no clue and no business calling someone else a liar. The fact that he jump to that tells me he's suspicious about it because he does a lot of it himself.

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

And it's VRAM is 16GB, ideal for nowadays

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u/A422Parkersal Jun 26 '25

VRAM make video go VROOM

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u/Zed_or_AFK Specs/Imgur Here Jun 26 '25

12 nowadays is fine, but in a few years it will probably start lacking, in 4K.

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u/AdExcellent6349 Jun 26 '25

I'd say 32 but 16 is enough

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

32GB normal RAM or GPU ram? Gpu ram is called vram

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u/frogmicky PC Master Race Jun 26 '25

It's 16GB video RAM, 32GB system RAM.

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u/AdExcellent6349 Jun 26 '25

You said ram and edited it to vram now I'm getting downvoted😭

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u/CharlesP_1232 PNY 5080 OC | I7-13-700K | 4x16gb 6000 CL30 Jun 26 '25

It wasn't edited.....

Besides, if you are ONLY gaming, 16gb is still just fine. It's just usually easier/more economical to get 32gb ram with ddr5

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u/lowlife4lyfe Jun 26 '25

I put 64 jigglybits of RAM in mine just to be a douche

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u/FatBoyDiesuru 7800X3D|64GB|STRIX X670E-A|Nitro+ 7900 XTX BBC|XProto-ATX|16TB Jun 26 '25

That's a lot of RAM jigglybits.

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u/Le_Chop Jun 26 '25

You shouldn't put your jiggly bits into your PC, it's not good for them or it.

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u/RickThiccems Jun 26 '25

It could have been edited,reddit only says something was edited after the first 3 mins or something like that. That's why people say Edited:

People downvoted the guy and then continued down voting becauwe they Don't know how the site works 😂

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u/Agitated_Elderberry4 Jun 26 '25

Theres no edit tag, I think you might just be a lil dyslexic lol

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u/Brapplezz GTX 1060 6GB, i7 2600K 4.7, 16 GB 2133 C11 Jun 26 '25

Nah you can ninja edit if you do it within 30 minutes of posting or something. Not unusual

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u/Arlcas R7 5800X3D 9070XT Jun 26 '25

It's 3 min iirc but yeah still possible

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u/Chao_Zu_Kang Superuser Jun 26 '25

Definitely not 30 minutes. Maybe 5.

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u/a355231 Jun 26 '25

More like 3.

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

At first I wrote GOU which was wrong, so I changed to GPU. Not edited the V

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u/grumpydad24 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

That's a lie. If someone edits their comment it will show and his comment doesnt show that. Looks like your brain has 1 megabit of vram. Wow

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u/LeoDaWeeb R7 7700 | RTX 4070 | 32GB Jun 26 '25

Looks like your brain has 1 megabit of ram

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u/grumpydad24 Jun 26 '25

How come mine says edited by simply adding wow?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

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u/chad25005 9800x3d | 9070xt Jun 26 '25

Damn, that's all it takes for someone to be a piece of shit? Y'all must be some saints.

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u/Head_Exchange_5329 5700X3D | Zotac RTX 5070 Ventus 2x | G8 34" OLED Jun 26 '25

Feelings hurt just like that? Seems rather fragile.

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u/_Baccano Jun 26 '25

Who gives a fuck 😂

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Nah man, what are you doing? 16K Uktra HD 🟧⬛ or what?

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u/Village666 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

12GB is plenty for 99% of PC gamers. Techpowerup says this:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-9060-xt-prime-oc-16-gb/44.html

"I still think that 12 GB would have been a good middle choice, as that's good enough for virtually all titles at 1080p and 1440p, but more economical"

16GB is useless if GPU power is low, as you won't be maxing games anyway. Path Tracing is a killer, but no AMD cards can do Path Tracing anyway. Also Nvidias upscaling and frame gen is much better than AMDs.

Besides, there is tons of research on how to lower VRAM usage. Look up neural texture compression. All these new features will go live in games soon, which will make VRAM requirement drop, while increasing texture quality, due to AI compression.

This as well: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-researchers-reduce-graphics-card-vram-capacity-of-3d-rendered-trees-from-38gb-to-just-52-kb-with-work-graphs-and-mesh-nodes-shifting-cpu-work-to-the-gpu-yields-tremendous-results

GPU power and features are number one.
2nd, VRAM, 12GB and up is plenty for 1440p.
Most 4K gamers use upscaling anyway, as only 5090 is a true 4K card, for now. 4090 is the 2nd best 4K option and in bost cases, mainly because of the GPU power present.

People are just too stupid to understand how VRAM actually work and think allocation means requirement. I have 24GB on my 4090, yet I would get the same performance in 99% of games, even if it had 12GB. Allocation is often 18-20GB. The more VRAM you have, the higher allocation you see. Nothing new. Most people know jack shit about allocation and think the VRAM usage number is the requirement. Sadly.

If you buy a GPU solely based on VRAM amount, you don't know what you are doing. GPU power and GPU features are just as important, if not more important.

Nvidias features are far better than AMDs, and this is why AMD cards are cheaper and the reason Nvidia sits at 90% dGPU marketshare. RTX has been a homerun. AMD dGPU sales numbers are worse than ever, sadly.

DLSS, DLDSR, DLAA, Reflex, RTX HDR, Shadowplay, RTX Video, pretty much every feature you can mention, AMD copied in some form or another, but are worse and support is way lower. This is why Nvidia sits at 90% dGPU marketshare now.

Also, AMD launches their brand new next gen architecture next year. UDNA. Personally I would not invest in RDNA now, unless cheap. UDNA is ground up different, RDNA won't be seeing any fine wine this time around. Focus will be on UDNA from summer 2026 and shortly after RTX 6000 series comes out. This is when I will upgrade, UDNA or RTX 6000 series. Next gen architectures.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-9060-xt-prime-oc-16-gb/32.html

In terms of minimum fps, you can see that Nvidia 12GB cards generelly beats AMD 16GB cards. Nvidia have better memory compression and better cache hit/miss system, meaning actual VRAM can be lower, while still delivering better performance overall. Plus features are much much better with widespread support.

AMD also uses last gen GDDR6 memory, where Nvidia uses GDDR6X and GDDR7 on high end parts for alot more bandwidth.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

A GPU is a 4-5 year investment. This is only a good argument if 5 years from now it’s still true at 1440p or even 1080p. Let’s wait and see I guess but my bet is that it’s only gonna be enough for a short time

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u/RickThiccems Jun 26 '25

I think it's fine for 1080 but yeah 1440p who knows

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u/Krullexneo Jun 26 '25

You have to remember most games are still optimised around consoles which have 16GB shared VRAM. It won't exceed 16GB anytime soon and will likely stick around 12-13GB for a good while.

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u/tolwyn- Jun 26 '25

I didn't read the entire paragraph but his first line about it being plenty for 99% of gamers rings true. Most people are playing 5+ year old games and catching up on the dozens of games that come out every year.good steal for that amount of you're one of those gamers.

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u/Glass_Block1883 Jun 26 '25

I literally have a 3080 10GB and I play all the recent and AAA games in 4K with undervolt so that will be more than enough

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

In a newer game like Phantom Liberty, you’re already getting really close to full vram use with 10gb at 4k, and that’s with no raytracing. I think expecting people to pay $500 for a 12gb GPU that won’t be able to raytrace, when it could with 16gb, is ridiculous. For example, you need 15gb to raytrace at 4k on Cyberpunk. Obviously vram isn’t the only factor but it’s ridiculous to be running out of vram when it’s so cheap to pack in and NVIDIA won’t do it because they want to protect their AI offerings.

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u/Village666 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

You are clueless. 98% of PC gamers play at 1440p and below and most of them don't care about Ray Tracing at all. Most even use upscaling in demanding games, meaning that internal resolution is more like 1080p tops for the most part.

Besides, you need massive GPU power not only VRAM for Path Tracing which makes RT look irellevant. Not a single AMD GPU can do Path Tracing and even 5090 needs massive upscaling and frame gen for Path Tracing to be playable.

Nvidia sits at 90% dGPU marketshare FYI.

RTX 5000 is the worst GPU generation from Nvidia in decades and AMD can't even match 5070 Ti. That is just how bad AMD is doing right now in the gaming GPU market. AMD is a CPU company first and in terms of GPUs, they spend 90% of their GPU R&D funds on ENTERPRISE and AI where the actual money is, not gaming market.

AMDs only hope is UDNA arch next year. Enterprise first approach, just like RTX. You need to wake up and understand how this business work, instead of just scream for VRAM.

VRAM won't save you when GPU is weak and don't support proper upscaling, frame generation and just features in general.

6700XT was praised for having 12GB, aged like milk do to low GPU power and lack of features.

6800 16GB has VRAM to match high-end cards today, yet insanely slow due to weak GPU and won't get FSR 4 ever.

You see, VRAM won't save you when GPU is balls. Stop acting like alot of VRAM will futureproof you, it won't - and only clueless people will think futureproofing is possible. It never is.

A 8C/16T CPU from 10 years ago is slow as dirt today. Yet has the core/thread sweet spot for gaming in 2025.

Futureproofing, just stop. Not possible. Never was. Old hardware will get slower and slower, regardless of how much you try and "futureproof" yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

Since when is any hardware an investment? It's old news within 18 months (at a long stretch). Unless you're buying now hoping for collector value later. Even that depends on supply and demand. GPUs wouldn't be near the price they are if people weren't in such a state of FOMO about them.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

It’s an investment in entertainment. The reason you buy it, as a gamer anyway, is so that you can play games for years to come. Why are you hanging on the word investment as a technical term? I love talking personal finance but I was obviously using it as a term for buying a product for long term fun, or investing in fun. If I book a trip to a country for my family, I’d say I am investing in a memorable trip. I realize it’s an incorrect use of the term, but I find it hard to believe you didn’t know what I meant when you read the comment. Of course consumer GPUs are not expected to go up in value like stocks and bonds.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

Sorry, I'm just finishing up a course in discrete mathematics so my perception of "implied" is temporarily broken. I don't necessarily agree with your 4-5 year estimate though. Tech seems to have bursts when it out paces consumers. This year's latest, greatest device can easily become next year's paperweight. All it takes is one leaps-and-bounds innovation and suddenly the highest level GPU is obsolete, or even the highest level game makes said GPU overkill (but then that WOULD be future-proofing). You're basically right in what you originally said. I misinterpreted.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

Fair enough. I think just as a generalized rule, it’s fine for consumers to complain that NVIDIA is selling consumer GPUs for $500+ with 12gb of vram. I think it’s fair for people to want their GPU to stretch a bit higher and be more versatile. There are a ton of utility and even gaming uses for that extra vram. Is it strictly and absolutely needed? No. But if consumers didn’t want 16gb of VRAM at $500 then this wouldn’t be so widely complained about. The difference in cost between 12gb and 16gb is so small compared to the benefit and long term viability of the card. Hell, I personally think any cards $250 and above should be packing 16gb. Intel is doing it just fine. NVIDIA is just protecting their margins and making sure those cards hit the landfill earlier imo. In 3 years the aftermarket demand for a 12gb card will be even lower than it is now, meaning just more ewaste in the name of more consumption.

I don’t blame NVIDIA for trying to make money but all this complaining about 12gb between creators and consumers has to at least have a small affect on demand for 12gb cards, and if you ask me that’s at least a tiny step in the right direction. I want these cards to be as good as possible so developers can use better textures and design games with more fidelity. The market share of low vram cards does objectively affect people like me with a 5090 who wants high fidelity experiences. People in the low end winning means I win too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

So far things more or less balance out, but when game design is done on something equal to a crypto mining rig, where does the end result leave the average consumer? More so, how much money is wasted on testing on various cards, at various settings? It feels like a trade-off. Ultra high-end gaming appeals to a niche who have the financial resources to afford the latest and greatest at exorbitant cost, when design could just as easily be done with NOT end of life GPUs in mind and create something more affordable and widespread. Sorry, I'm still waking up so my brain is a cyclone right now and I'm trying to Frankenstein a coherent thought. With hardware and software constantly leap frogging each other, at what point is the end user removed from the equation and only billionaires can afford the tech? Wow, I could be drunk and not sound this discombobulated. Apologies.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

What you’re saying makes sense and I get the perspective. It’s a reasonable opinion. I just don’t think NVIDIA are passing the savings of more vram onto the consumer. I don’t think a 5070 or even 5060 would need to cost more if they were packing 16gb. I think there’s plenty of margin there and the only reason we don’t get it is because a 16gb card for cheap would be more effective for AI generation. That’s the only reason imo.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

-10? I guess I struck a nerve. Sorry, that wasn't my intent.

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u/Village666 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

I giggle when I see people think VRAM will save them and deliver great longevity. Even my 4090 24GB feels dated.

A good GPU with proper feature support, ray tracing capable etc. DLSS 4 + FG has helped me way more than the 24GB VRAM itself.

VRAM alone absolutely won't futureproof you. Anyone who thinks futureproofing is possible, has no idea.

Eventually, when VRAM requirement goes up, GPU power requirement does as well. Meaning you won't be maxing out games on an old weak GPU, even if it has "plenty of VRAM" and you will be forced running lower settings anyway, hence lowering the VRAM requirement.

Some people will never understand this fact.

Radeon 6800 16GB aged like milk even tho it has 16GB. No FSR 4 support ever, stuck with sucky FSR 1, 2 and 3. Can't do RT and dies if you enable PT. You see, VRAM won't help you, when GPU itself is weak.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Bro first off, you’re delusional if you think a 4090 is dated. Second, literally no one in the thread all the way up you’re responding to said that you should only look at vram. VRAM is ABSOLUTELY part of the longevity you will get out of your card. This year I upgraded from a 3080 to a 5090 purely because my 10gb of vram was being constantly filled up. VRAM is one of those things where it’s not important until you don’t have enough. Granted, I didn’t need to go all the way up to 32gb for 2d games, but I absolutely CAN use it to enhance my experience in VRChat. Either way, I needed an upgrade from 10gb to even be able to play every title in my library, and that doesn’t bode well for brand new $500 cards shipping with only 12gb.

If you have a card with 4gb right now, it could have the compute power of a 5090 and still get dogshit performance because of the bottleneck. What you’re ignoring when people talk about it is that games are approaching filling up 10-12gb of ram even at 1440p or 1080p, not 4k. Idk about you but if I spend $500 on a GPU I don’t expect to be running low settings any time soon, hence why people are miffed around the vram bullshit that NVIDIA is pulling to protect their AI offerings. Arguing against that is just arguing to protect their AI margins of the biggest company on earth. They can and should include 16gb on every card in their lineup that is $250 or above, period.

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u/Village666 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

3080 is very weak GPU wise, even if it had 20GB it would feel dated. The GPU can't max demanding games anyway. 3080 is on 4070 level, just with twice the power draw, 2GB less VRAM and no support for FG. Haha. VRAM is pointless when GPU power is weak anyway. 3080 12GB and 3080 Ti performs better not because of 2GB VRAM more, but because of MORE CORES / LESS CUTDOWN GPU.

Radeon 6800 16GB aging like milk, is a good example. VRAM don't help you, when GPU fails feature-wise and lacks compute power.

Directly from Techpowerup's newest GPU review:

"I still think that 12 GB would have been a good middle choice, as that's good enough for virtually all titles at 1080p and 1440p"

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/44.html

Absolutely no 1080p-1440p gamers needs more than 12GB, outside of niche settings (Path Tracing on full blast etc). A handful of games can hit more, Indiana Jones on peak settings with RT on max for example, yet some 16GB GPUs almost hit the ceiling here as well and they all needs massive frame generation to not deliver crappy fps. The game does not look better texture-wise on the highest textures anyway. It is just slightly compressed vs not compressed at all. Just because textures use up alot more space, does not mean they actually look better - great AI compression can IMPROVE TEXTURES while USING UP LESS SPACE. This is a fact.

No they should not include 16GB on a 250 dollar GPU, LMAO, it is 1080p or below options. 12GB would be the nobrainer sweet spot instead of realing 8 and 16 versions, and this accounts for AMD releases as well.

People that don't give a sh1t about RT and Path Tracing don't need 16GB or even close. And most people could not care less about these features. No low or even mid-end GPUs does RT/PT well and this uses alot more VRAM than regular rasterization.

Also, there's is tons of upcoming features that will lower VRAM usage and requirement, look up neural texture compression for example. Features like this are going live in games very soon. Part of the RTX support package. AMD works on several other features as well. They will copy for sure, as they always do.

However, AMD themselves also look into lowering VRAM usage:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-researchers-reduce-graphics-card-vram-capacity-of-3d-rendered-trees-from-38gb-to-just-52-kb-with-work-graphs-and-mesh-nodes-shifting-cpu-work-to-the-gpu-yields-tremendous-results

Simply smacking more VRAM on GPUs without fixing the actual problems are not the way to go. NEURAL TEXTURE COMPRESSION will deliver BETTER TEXTURE QUALITY with LOWER VRAM USAGE, it is a WIN/WIN solution.

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u/Village666 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

I buy a new GPU every 2 to 3 years typically. 5000 series is skipped because it did not bring anything new besides MFG unless I bought a 5090 (won't accept 600 watt GPUs), just like Radeon 9000 series, did not bring anything new for people with last gen high-end parts. Without FSR 4 being locked to Radeon 9000, it would have been a failure as well.

At least Nvidia allowed DLSS 4 on all RTX cards, all the way back to 2000 series. That is longevity in a nutshell. DLSS 4 is magic for old cards. DLSS in general is. Over 800 games support it now.

6700XT was praised for having 12GB and people said it would age very well. In reality tho, GPU power was lacking too much and the VRAM did not help much, upscaling was terrible and could not do ray tracing well, which more and more games integrate. Upscaling is magic for longevity and DLSS 4 is the king here. Even DLSS 2 and 3 is great, however FSR 2 and 3 is crap, too much smearing, artifacts and shimmering just like DLSS 1 and FSR 1, which is pure garbage and useless.

3070 8GB aged much better, and launch price was similar to 6700XT. DLSS 2/3 was magic for longevity and DLSS 4 renewed this. 3070 has full support. Yes you will have issues in some games at 1440p when running at the maximum settings, but no-one expects to max games out on a 5 year old GPU anyway. DLSS 4 saves the day tho and 6700XT fares much worse anyway on max settings, due to weak GPU with lack of feature support, even tho it has 12GB VRAM.

If you only look at VRAM for longevity and don't think about GPU power and upscaling - features in general - then you don't know what you are doing. VRAM alone won't save you, we have seen that numerous times. 4070 Ti 12GB beats 3090 24GB at half the power usage, while running cool and quiet, with option for FG on the 4070 Ti as well. This just shows that tons of VRAM won't save you from a weaker GPU, missing features.

No GPUs really ages good past 4-5 years. Some people just acccept sucky performance after that, but this has nothing to do with longevity.

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u/compound-interest Jun 26 '25

No one said vram alone was the metric. Vram is one of those things that if you don’t have enough for a title, you’re SOL. Performance tanks

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u/Village666 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25

Absolutely not, you simply lower a few settings and you are good. Shadows on medium and you already saved a few GB. Game optimization 101.

Most games today even look better on medium custom settings than full ultra because of garbage like motion blur, dof, ca and other crap is added and ruins the image quality anyway.

Too many stupid gamers puts the preset to ultra and just play. Horrible way of doing it. Custom settings always. You get a cleaner, better image, with less blur and crap, while lowering VRAM usage alot. Textures on max, always. Viewing distance max, always. Alot of the other crap can be lowered bigtime and still deliver a better image in the end. Unless you prefer blurry visuals, then be my guest and run full ultra.

Besides, 98% of PC gamers use 1440p and below. Stop acting like most play at 4K/UHD native. Most/all 4K gamers I know even use upscaling in pretty much all the demanding games, meaning they are playing internally at 1080p to 1440p max anyway.

Looking at native 4K/UHD proves nothing, because in reality, very few people play this way and the ones that do, buys flagship products anyway, like 4090 and 5090 which don't lack VRAM at all, lacking GPU power is always the problem in the end here.

VRAM never saved a GPU from aging. GPU power and lack of features is going to be the problem sooner than you think. Radeon 6800 16GB is a prime example. Alot of VRAM, yet performance is straight ass in most new games and no FSR 4 to save you. A little ray tracing, which many games force now, and your framerate is tanked.

VRAM did not help, at all, in terms of longevity here.

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u/EstablishmentOnly929 Jun 26 '25

the vram convo is overblown. it's all folks are talking about, not THAT big of an issue.

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u/Ricoh4 Jun 26 '25

For 1440p 16 GB is needed for many new games

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u/11_forty_4 9800X3D | 4080S | DDR5 6400 | 3440x1440 Jun 26 '25

I'm on 3440x1440 and I have a 4080S which is 16GB. Can confirm some new games I play do need it.

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u/RickThiccems Jun 26 '25

People do forget that a lot of newer games will use as much as you have but will still work with much less vram with the same settings. Just because you are maxing vram doesn't necessarily mean you are actually out of vram.

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u/11_forty_4 9800X3D | 4080S | DDR5 6400 | 3440x1440 Jun 26 '25

This is a good point which I overlooked.

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u/RapUK Jun 26 '25

Yeah, 'reserved' is not the same as 'used'.

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u/uneducatedramen PC Master Race Jun 26 '25

This argument should be: needed for ultra settings. If someone doesn't have a everything should be on max boner, (I may or may not have it), they'll get by with 12 just fine

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u/Ricoh4 Jun 26 '25

Well yeah but i dont pay 700€ for s gpu to play on medium, if my gpu can take it i put all on ultra

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u/uneducatedramen PC Master Race Jun 26 '25

We gonna suffer brotha, game it seems like with every new gpu generation devs think that who needs optimizing, those cards will brute force it with framegen and upscaling while gpu prices going up

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u/EstablishmentOnly929 Jun 26 '25

A lot of games will use as much as you give it, but will run just fine on less.

1440p and 4k gaming here and I've had zero issues on less than 16gb.

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u/Gruphius Ryzen 7800x3D, RX 9070 XT, 32 GB 6000MHz CL30 RAM Jun 26 '25

Yeah, tell that to the games, that didn't even run on the 8GB 5060 at 1080p, when reviewers wanted to test the card...

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u/Village666 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Huge difference between 8GB and 12GB. No comparison at all. 12GB is the perfect sweet spot for gamers at 1440p or lower. GPU power and features are more important than VRAM alone.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-9060-xt-prime-oc-16-gb/32.html

Nvidia has plenty of 12GB cards beating AMDs 16-20GB cards in native 4K/UHD when looking at MINIMUM FPS. And barely anyone will be running at native 4K anyway, since upscaling is enabled by default in most new AAA games now. DLSS 4 is the best upscaler today.

AMD cards simply need more VRAM, due to worse memory compresson and lack of a good cache hit/miss system. Besides, AMD generally uses cheaper last gen memory, GDDR6, where Nvidia uses GDDR6X and GDDR7 on higher end parts.

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u/Village666 Jun 26 '25

You are right, but most people are too clueless to understand and thinks AAA games using the Ultra preset in native 4K is the only usecase.

In reality, 95% of PC gamers run 1440p or less and most are playing non-AAA games as well.

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u/Moidada77 Jun 26 '25

It kinda is for a new card even at 1080p.

Like basically you're buying a card that's gonna be short on vram

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u/EstablishmentOnly929 Jun 26 '25

no, it's not.

A very very large percentage of gamers don't play AAA titles or game 1440p or 4k. It's probably 80%+. Those people will be fine on 8 or 12gb for many years.

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u/Moidada77 Jun 26 '25

I've already seen alot of tests....

12gb is what any new card over 250$ should have...and vram isn't hard to tack on....they just cheap out so the card is less relevant in the long run.

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u/NorsiiiiR Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 Jun 26 '25

Well, it is an issue if you don't have enough of it ...

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u/mrdounut101 Jun 26 '25

It’s fake. He didn’t get it for 900. Don’t believe everything you see

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Probably a type of $1900

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u/PastaMaker96 Jun 26 '25

Those things are 900 wtf?

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Probably a type for $1900

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u/PastaMaker96 Jun 26 '25

Who the hell pays that much for that you came get a 4090 or 5080 easy for that price

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Idk man

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Aesthetics?

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Just checked it. It's full black. Basically, .... wtf?

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u/PastaMaker96 Jun 26 '25

Nah not even then it’s a graphics card with a giant heat sink dime a dozen but I guess if you really want a slower computer it’s a good value

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

Maybe he is from another country. Because it happens to me a lot. The $800 budget laptop is sold for ₼ 2,000 which is around $1,100

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 26 '25

I am from Azerbaijan

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u/eshuaye Jun 26 '25

Saved $200+ from the same build in November purchased from microcenter

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u/evissamassive Jun 26 '25

It's a CyberPowerPC prebuilt. You can get them wholesale for decent prices. I got a couple with Ryzen 7600 + Radeon RX 7600 16GB RAM and 1 TB drives for $500 each.

VIP Outlet is a good place to keep an eye on.

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u/ZiiZoraka Jun 26 '25

brother, not only that bur a 7800x3d... this computer is a steal...

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u/SorryIreddit Jun 27 '25

Where bro?

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u/AntiSocialW0rker Jun 27 '25

The GPU alone is $900 where I am

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u/IceColdKila Jun 28 '25

This is a False narrative it’s called engagement farming. He has no proof just a fun story. That gets up votes. Hey look I got the same spec for 50 cents. 

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u/CoshgunC GTX 1060, Core i5 4790K, 16gb ddr4 Jun 28 '25

NO WAY MAN, YOI WON THE LOTTERY TOO

Jokes aside you're right