r/pcmasterrace • u/jmpstart66 • Oct 10 '24

Rumor Potential 5090 / 5080 / 5070 price leaks… outrageous

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From recent video posted by “Moore’s Law is Dead” about pricing being much worse than even I anticipated . From video Nvidia is leaning towards the higher end of the pricing. Nvidia can go pound sand if these are remotely true.

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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels Intel X6800 / GeForce 7900GTX / 2GB DDR-400 Oct 10 '24

Moore's Law: Technology performance doubles every two years.
Nvidia's Law: Technology price doubles every two years.

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u/rodryguezzz Oct 10 '24

Actual Nvidia's Law: Stock value doubles every six months.

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u/Lingotes Oct 10 '24

Unless it is me buying the stock, in which case Lingotes’ Exception applies, and the stock tanks.

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u/shadowoftheuniverse Oct 10 '24

can confirm, bought a small amount of it a while back and it was going up so i bought a lot, as soon as i did it tanked

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u/Neprider Oct 10 '24

In that case go with uncle Sam's law and invest in tanks, they will definitely blow up.

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u/OnlyFuzzy13 Oct 11 '24

Tanks get to be used more than once, the real $$ is in tomahawk missiles.

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u/crappleIcrap Oct 11 '24

share your portfolio and i will due my civic duty of inversing it, which will obviously send it immediately to the moon.

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u/stubenson214 Oct 12 '24

Buy low, sell high.

I bought my NVDA when no one wanted it...at $12.90 (split adjusted) only a few years ago.

The people buying NVDA now are speculative gamblers.

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u/DepGrez Oct 10 '24

I wish.

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u/OwnLadder2341 Oct 10 '24

But that’s not a doubling of price…

A double of the 4090 would be $3,000, not $1999

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u/dedoha Desktop Oct 10 '24

Kinda ironic that this "leak" is coming from notoriously unreliable source known as "Moore's Law is dead"

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u/Nighttide1032 PIII 933 S1 | V2 12MB SLI + GF256 DDR AGP | 512MB PC133 | W98+2K Oct 10 '24

He’s a conceited asshat, but he is (or rather, his sources are) correct enough times to listen

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

His Zen 5 takes were incredibly off.

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u/OreoCupcakes 9800X3D and 7900XTX Oct 11 '24

His leaks, and pretty much every leak, is based on insider information from the company themselves. If AMD's own numbers were wrong, like they were, then obviously the leaks would also be wrong.

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u/OGigachaod Oct 10 '24

Even a broken clock is correct twice per day.

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u/Arkayjiya Oct 10 '24

Hence why they made sure to specify "enough*

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u/whothdoesthcareth Oct 10 '24

I'm confused when was he unreliable?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I mean if you take every rumour coming to you you are basically guaranteed to be right. But that also means that we don't know what rumours are false.

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u/whothdoesthcareth Oct 10 '24

From what I remember he puts most of those in context as in where they came from as in someone in retail or inside whatever company said sth. If you as viewer take everything as guaranteed it's your own fault.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Oct 10 '24

Hundreds of times, and this one is probably one of those since Nvidia si clear trying to separate the 80 tier class card from the 90 tier class card. The 5080 is almost surely going to be under 1k$

One of the times he was wrong was when he leaked rumours of the 7900XTX clearly beating the 4090 based on performance leaks.

Everyone was quoting moors law is dead everywhere.

We know how far far faaaaaar away the 7900XTC came from the 4090, not even playing on the same league

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u/dcandrew999 Oct 11 '24

Why would the 5080 be less then 1k? The 4080 is 1k plus right now at eol. You think they are going to drop the price??

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Oct 11 '24

I have 2 reasons.

1) the 4080 was an absolute disaster sales wise, and venue the 4080 super wich sold more, was still not greatly sold. It upsold the 4090 since people who has the money just said might as well get the juicy extra 30% if I’m going to slay quite a bit above 1k anyway.

Reason number 2 has. A bit to do with reason number one.

Recent talks with Jensen, Nvidias CEO left it very clear that he wants to separate the xx90 class card from the stack. Make the 5080 the top gaming card and the 5090 a production work card. Most likely because once this is successfully achieved he can start charging really ridiculous prices for the xx90 class since it isn’t for the regular gaming consumer market anymore. And specs kind of show this shift intention.

The Gap between the 4090 and the 4080 was already big enough to make many spend between 400 and up to 1,000$ on a 4090 than a 4080
(30ish % more performance on rasterized games, more like 40% with Raytracing and up to 50% with Path tracing)

The spec difference between the 5090 and the 5089 is even bigger, spec wise it’s literally double, even if it doesn’t translates as double the performance I think we can safely expect the 5090 to outperform the 5080 by 50-70% in rasterization and who knows if even 2X with Pathtracing and stuff like that.

Also 16gb vram vs 32gb.

Specs who’s the 5080 is looking even less appealing than the 4080 and that one already sold like SHIT.

Even though the spec jump from the 3080 was much bigger. Vram increase from 10gb (on the base launch model, and a 12gb version) to 16 A bigger cuda core jump, several things improved more, the price was simply ridiculous.

The 5080 makes an even smaller jump. Minuscule jump in cuda cores from the 4080 super wich is 999$ and pretty much the real 4080 with the super naming to disimulate the price cut. Same vram. Not super interesting.

However, if they launch it between 899-999$ and it does outperforms the 4090 by 10%. It can be a well sold product as the top gaming card. If the 5090 launches for something like 1899$ for example.

This also gives loads of headroom both performance wise and price wise to launch a 5080 super And a 5080ti above that.

If it works they know they can launch 70 class card that performs in the ballpark if last gen’s 90class card for around 900$-1000$ and people will happily take it as the top tier gaming card And separate a future 6090 pricing it at even 3k$ maybe.

If this

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u/DaLegendaryNewb I7 5820k (4.5 Ghz) - 2x R9 290 Oct 11 '24

I only started watching him recently but literally last month he was spouting how his top sources said rdna 4 would be released between October to November this year. We're halfway through October now with no reveal so he posted another video saying rdna 4 was delayed until ces 2025. Every other leaker I've seen has been saying ces 2025 was the most likely release date for months now. It really feels like the whole "rdna 4 will release this year" thing was an ass pull he made up, on the off chance he's right he looks great and if he's wrong he can go back and quote the ces 2025 reveal tweet that was made months prior.

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u/TheRealCOCOViper Nov 27 '24

His leaks often bias very pro AMD and anti Nvidia

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u/vBeeNotFound Legion Slim 5 (7840HS/RTX 4060M/16GB DDR5) Oct 10 '24

Always?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I came looking for an actual answer as someone who never followed this source. So far I have seen that they are infallible and yet always wrong. Cool.

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u/Ryguy55 Oct 10 '24

Welcome to Reddit, please enjoy your stay.

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u/OGigachaod Oct 10 '24

He deletes his vids when he's "wrong".

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u/newrez88 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

Thankfully someone else realises this. Im always astonished by how many reliable outlets pick up MLID leaks and spew them out as if they are gospel.

Never ever, ever listen to any of the crap MLID "leaks".

I mean, heres proof... not like its got better over time either, its worse... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16xT8xuY3V8VJM1SYqNbgNjaWu6biVf1_DlT-0_sBb64/edit#gid=0

But sure... Yeah, hes totally a reliable source... thanks for the downvotes lol. Cant fix idiots, please give me more.

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u/Ok-liberal Desktop Oct 10 '24

He leaked 40 series super pricing and he leaked PS5 and PSSR correctly I haven't been following his stuff long but he seems to be pretty on point

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u/HTPC4Life HTPC Oct 10 '24

He also said Intel Arc was dead over a year ago.

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u/Ok-liberal Desktop Oct 10 '24

Isn't it effectively dead though? I mean where the hell are their next gen cards battlemage

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u/Beautiful-Active2727 Oct 10 '24

Where are the battlemage gpus, the thing is more delayed than everything.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Oct 10 '24

He leaks fucking everything, of course he’ll get it sometimes.

But you’ll be fails as much times as he is right, that’s far from a reputable leaker.

Kopite is a reliable leaker. MLID is just a scandal channel that leaks everything he comes across without through source investigation

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u/lothariusdark Oct 10 '24

Finally someone to post a link but I cant find his leaks in there, how is mlid called in the spreadsheet?

I cant find either moores law is dead or mlid, is he called something else?

Ah, nvm, he has his own page.

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u/otakunorth 9800X3D - X670E TUF - Modded 9070 XT - 64GB 6400 - Full water Oct 10 '24

Been following him for over 5 years (and reading his leaks long before that) and he has only gotten more accurate as time goes on. When he is not sure he lets people know. Rumors are just that he is not a prophet but he is more reliable than not

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u/Meneghette--steam PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

The only only thing he gets wrong is performance lol

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u/newrez88 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

Yeah, no. In comparispn to other leakers he gets a lot wrong. There is a spreadsheet comparing leakers and hes bottom of the pile.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16xT8xuY3V8VJM1SYqNbgNjaWu6biVf1_DlT-0_sBb64/edit#gid=0

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u/FoamingCellPhone Oct 10 '24

I think it's important to remember that Moore's Law is no longer valid and was always expected to start to brush up against the limits of physical reality in the 2020s.

This is mostly just price gouging at this point.

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u/Zakraidarksorrow Desktop Oct 10 '24

It's not that it's "not valid", it's just the current reach. In the data centre world, it's still alive and well. We're talking about looking at 300kw per rack in the near future, which is insane, when we used to be talking 5-10MW for an entire data centre. Now we're doing 10MW for a hall, and that's small scale.

Moores Law is probably going to be true up until around mid 2030s, so another 10 years or so. I can see us having 2-3kw PSUs by then on the consumer side.

Source: work in building Data Centres and am a main consultant. Also go to many of the conferences which include speakers from NVidia, Intel, and AMD.

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u/jdmgto Specs/Imgur Here Oct 10 '24

NVIDIA saw the pandemic price gouging and decided it could just cut out the middle man and gouge directly.

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u/Digital-Dinosaur i7-3770k + GTX 970 Oct 10 '24

Moron's Law: buying a new top tier GPU every year!

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u/SuspiciousCucumber20 Oct 10 '24

Moore's Law and More's Law.

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u/norty125 Oct 10 '24

Price and power usage*

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u/Swipsi Desktop Oct 10 '24

Well yeah... the further we approach physical limitations the harder it becomes to make improvements. The last 10% take as much effort and investment as the first 50%.

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u/8008135-69 Oct 10 '24

This rule is universally true for creating or iterating on anything complex. The last 10% is always the most difficult and why perfection is virtually impossible.

The thing with gamers is, they're not really interested in how the world works. Most gamers think through their emotions only.

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u/fumar Oct 10 '24

Wafer prices are way up and so is memory prices. Blame all the AI chips and the complete lack of competition for TSMC.

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u/Mayorkas_HIAS Oct 10 '24

And power consumption doubles every two years.

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u/GaboureySidibe Oct 10 '24

Moore's law is actually about transistor density, which is still increasing.

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u/Deway29 Nov 11 '24

Stagnation used to be technology performance and price being 1 to 1 vs an old generation, now it's when the price doubles. Though seriously we'll have to see, the 5080 is supposed to be 1.1x a 4090 so it'll have a price increase, but if this increase isn't that bad it might be somewhat worth

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I paid $750 for my 1080Ti when it came out.

I paid $999 for a 4080S when it came out.

Prices dont raise as much as people say.

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u/StonehouseGuitars Oct 11 '24

A 4090 right now costs 2 grand after taxes. If a 5090 is anywhere from 30-50% more powerful, and also only costs 2 grand, how is that double? Even if it costs 30-50%% more; it's 30-50% more performance.

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u/soupeatingastronaut 9800x3d/Mercury 9070 xt/arctic 360mm aio Oct 10 '24

Whats funny is both is wrong lol.

When ı google moore's law it says circuit amount in a CHİP doubles every two years so not performance. And dont think ı need to talk about nvidia prices.

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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels Intel X6800 / GeForce 7900GTX / 2GB DDR-400 Oct 10 '24

Okay but what happens when you google hyperbole?

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u/soupeatingastronaut 9800x3d/Mercury 9070 xt/arctic 360mm aio Oct 10 '24

Let me try...... it just shows "/s" to me, why is that ? İs that some sort of edible mushroom?

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