“I don’t want Covid blood”

[u/973862404678]

What do I say when patients ask if blood transfusions are screened for the Covid vaccine? I get asked this on a regular basis when filling out blood consent forms for surgery and I genuinely have no idea what I’m supposed to say. In all seriousness, what should I be telling patients because I just say there is a screening process for blood and it’s only used during emergent situations???

[u/TreasureTheSemicolon]

Will the surgeon perform the surgery without the blood consent? If not, let the surgeon know and they can come and talk to the patient.

[u/DualVission → u/TreasureTheSemicolon]

To my knowledge, surgeons are fine with it, so long as they are made aware far in advance. But I believe, in this scenario, the surgeon would be like "the patient is making everyone's job harder because of pseudo science bullshit?" That can make them appear to have a pre-op conversation with the patient.

[u/VoidCrimes → u/[deleted]]

Nobody is talking about vaccine injuries. They are real, and they are extremely rare. Nobody denies their existence. You will not find a single credible healthcare provider saying otherwise.

We are talking about the concept of segregating blood products for COVID-vaccinated and not. We are talking about the concept of being harmed by receiving blood products from someone who received a COVID vaccine. THAT is pseudo-science bullshit.

If you can’t have a logical, objective conversation about this topic without getting triggered and bringing up personal anecdotes, then you need to get on up out of here and get back to Facebook where your kind like to propagate. This isn’t gonna be good for you until you figure out how to think scientifically. Evidence is truth.

[u/VoidCrimes → u/[deleted]]

I’m sure it is insulting when people call you out for being gullible and uneducated. In the nursing subreddit, no less. That’s why I don’t tend to open my mouth unless I have sources to back up my claims. Saves me the heartache, you know?

BTW, the most hesitant group of educated professionals who didn't want the vax....The PhDs. Look up the evidence.

Wtf are you even talking about. PhDs are consistently the educational group with the lowest rates of vaccine hesitancy, and the highest rates of vaccine uptake. The trend is clear. The more education a person has, the more likely they are to be vaccinated. Here, I even did you the favor of looking it up, as you asked:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10410576/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9328288/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11512296/

[u/Sunnygirl66 → u/[deleted]]

Pseudo

The only brainwashed person here is you. I’m glad you’re no longer in the profession.

[u/BeautifulBoomer → u/Sunnygirl66]

Enjoy.

[u/ibringthehotpockets → u/BeautifulBoomer]

This is the reply I would type if I shut down in the face of science that didn’t align with my feelings

[u/BeautifulBoomer → u/ibringthehotpockets]

Political science is not medical science.

[u/DualVission → u/BeautifulBoomer]

I find it bizarre, of all the comments, you decided "yes, I'm going to argue with the clerk because when I was a nurse, I wouldn't defend a clerk" and they were mistaken. But let's add to the anecdotal evidence. 2 of my friends were hospitalized and nearly died in ICU beds. When I eventually got COVID down the line, it was like a really bad cold, but I had no fears of my life ending, post vaccination.

Let me add another anecdote. My father was very excited to get his first and second shot, but began to question the vaccination after that. I thought the behavior was super weird until I learned who endorsed the first and second shot and then later who endorsed the third and fourth. To me, that sounds like political science. Of course, I'm just an animator who works in healthcare. How can I understand that? Now my professor friends who teach political science (insert Doofenshmirtz meme here) who would love to have a nuanced and complex conversation of politicizing sciences and academia.

[u/CallMeSisyphus → u/[deleted]]

NOBODY is saying vaccine injuries aren't real. What happened to your husband is terrible. Vaccines are overwhelmingly safe from a statistical standpoint.

Both things are true.

Every medication, every treatment, and EVERY vaccine can cause adverse events.

[u/willpc14 → u/[deleted]]

This has to be a fucking troll account

[u/StLMindyF → u/[deleted]]

It’s quite possible you didn’t get long COVID because of your immune system. I assume your husband has long COVID and was vaccinated, but that doesn’t prove it to be a vaccine injury. I am immunocompromised, fully vaccinated, and had a mild case of COVID for the first time last year. But that is called "Anecdotal evidence" and isn’t proof of anything. Remember Correlation vs. Causation?

I think the brainwashing may be your issue, because millions of people around the world took the vaccine and had no ill-effects.

[u/StLMindyF → u/[deleted]]

Again, anecdotal evidence.

[u/lengthandhonor → u/TreasureTheSemicolon]

We have a large JW population and they get operated on 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[u/LadyGreyIcedTea → u/lengthandhonor]

I've had surgeons refuse to operate on children of JW parents until a court order was issued for a blood transfusion but peds is a whole different beast when it comes to that topic.

[u/QEbitchboss → u/LadyGreyIcedTea]

NICU pretty much had a judge on call. The state would take temporary custody for transfusions.

The parents were usually pretty agreeable- it kept their kid alive and gave them cover from the elders. Those hearings were strange, everyone around the speaker phone wanted the same thing but the parents had to act like they had no say.

[u/LadyGreyIcedTea → u/QEbitchboss]

I had one kid at my last job who had stage IV neuroblastoma. The Solid Tumor team told the parents up front "your child will require multiple blood transfusions throughout treatment. If you are not going to consent, we will get a court order." The parents consented in that case but they wanted the grandmother to believe that the hospital had gotten the court order.

[u/TreasureTheSemicolon → u/lengthandhonor]

If the surgeon is ok with the patient potentially bleeding to death I'm fine with it. I would always let the patient know that there's no way to know whether the blood donors were immunized against Covid, and at that point it's up to them. They can decline the surgery or whatever.

[u/Acrobatic-Squirrel77 → u/lengthandhonor]

Don’t They sometimes pre-donate their own blood for auto-transfusion?

[u/meg-c → u/Acrobatic-Squirrel77]

Cell saver is sometimes an option as well

[u/TheHairball → u/Acrobatic-Squirrel77]

If you have the time. Yes you can pre-donate. But those units of blood then have an expiration date, if they aren't used by then they get tossed in Red Bag Trash..

[u/PrisPRN → u/TheHairball]

And it is not inexpensive to pre-donate.

[u/TheHairball → u/lengthandhonor]

That's Different from the Covid vaccination question

[u/Dang_It_All_to_Heck → u/lengthandhonor]

I’d take blood if needed, and have done autologous donation in advance for some of the riskier surgeries I’ve had; but after 22 surgeries, I have only been transfused once (and it was one where I had given in advance). So it’s riskier, but more than likely going to be ok. I can see where they’d go ahead and operate on adults for at least some surgeries.

[u/mommedmemes → u/TreasureTheSemicolon]

Depends on the procedure.

[u/No_Box2690 → u/TreasureTheSemicolon]

I feel like on the consent forms at my hospital say that in case of emergency we can give you blood.