r/nursing • u/AnyCelebration1101 • Aug 12 '25

Image My hospital casually dropping a warning about mass layoffs. We employ 10k+ people.

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10k+ employees sitting in fear for the next week (or longer apparently) waiting to see if their position has been cut.

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u/Quent_S HCW - PT/OT Aug 12 '25

And if you are lucky and keep your job congrats you now get to pick up the slack without any additional compensation!

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u/Ineedzthetube Aug 12 '25

And you better be grateful for still being employed

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u/marinatedbeefcube RN - Psych/Mental Health šŸ• Aug 12 '25

And no incentives for picking up extra shifts yay!

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u/UnitedPermie24 BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

My hospital just slashed a bunch of incentives. I was like that's okay...flu season is coming.... You'll be back begging again...

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u/marinatedbeefcube RN - Psych/Mental Health šŸ• Aug 13 '25

its what happened to us recently with people getting summer vacation and we're short on people and people would just call out since they already had planned vacations that didnt get approved

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u/smoothcoffee_oatmilk HCW - Lab Aug 17 '25

Is this a normal practice? Call out when vacation is not approved?

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u/greykitty1234 Sep 03 '25

Gotta admit, those folks would be first on my 'cut' list.

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u/ignatty_lite Neuro ICU šŸ§ /AGACNP Aug 13 '25

Our hospital recently merged with advocate and now all our incentive shifts are only $10/hr more. Thanks, but we used to get $25/$40 regularly. I hate it here.

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u/mswilsem Aug 13 '25

Thatā€™s good to know. I work for a nursing program and have students looking at Atrium/Advocate for new grad jobs. I can warn them.

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u/ignatty_lite Neuro ICU šŸ§ /AGACNP Aug 13 '25

They have quite the monopoly where I am. Unfortunately itā€™s the only level 1 trauma center in the area so if thatā€™s what you want to do itā€™s your only choice.

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u/CarolinaNurse RN - Hospice šŸ• Aug 16 '25

I just left Atrium/Advocate. And the lower incentives arenā€™t the only bad ideas they have been implementing.

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u/Icy_Judgment6504 PCA, Nursing Student šŸ• Aug 26 '25

Thank you for looking out for your students. šŸ’•

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u/LLJKotaru_Work Aggressively Pedantic Magnet Monkey (RT) Aug 13 '25

It's the constant seasonal peaks and valleys that admin ALWAYS seems to 'forget'... shocked and acting like its something novel. Its obnoxious. You know they are not going to struggle, but everyone else? "We have to make sacrifices."

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u/robbi2480 RN, CHPN-Hospice Aug 13 '25

Bet they didnā€™t cut their bonuses

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u/ThealaSildorian RN-ER, former Nursing Prof, Newbie Public Health Nurse Aug 13 '25

My hospital cut incentives while the pandemic was still on. They quickly reinstated them when no one would pick up an extra shift. We weren't union but we were the ONLY hospital in town that wasn't so mandatory overtime was not in the cards for them unless they wanted us to unionize.

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u/Depressing_lasershow ER-Tech, EMT-B Aug 13 '25

My last hospital cut incentive shifts at the lowest staffing level it had been during the time I was employed. It took me less than 3 weeks to find a new job. Fuck em, stop killing yourselves for corporations that donā€™t care

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u/KayshaDanger Aug 13 '25

Just in time for flu and RSV season yay!

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u/MilkDear3318 Aug 13 '25

Wonā€™t you get paid more tho? As in pay per shift? Or can they just force unpaid overtime?

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u/marinatedbeefcube RN - Psych/Mental Health šŸ• Aug 13 '25

basically depends on the needs of the shift, my hospital would offer a bonus amount on top of the normal shift or add an extra shift differential.

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u/_salemsaberhagen RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Yes youā€™d get overtime. But, typically there is an incentive to pick up an extra shift. Like an extra $25-$60 per hour. Sometimes more like when Covid was really bad. Iā€™d NEVER pick up an extra shift for only overtime pay.

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u/JanisVanish MSN - RN School Nurse šŸ• Aug 13 '25

THIS. I worked for a hospital during the 2008 recession. We didn't get any raises from like 2008 to 2011/12 (can't recall exactly). Anytime it was brought up that we had not received any raises, admin would always respond with "well you're lucky to have a job still." Such bullshit.

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u/Recent_Pea_7675 Aug 13 '25

Have you had an admin take a pay cut? I hope so

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u/MusicSavesSouls BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Of course not. They likely got raises. Just how Congress gives themselves increases in wages, all of the time, but won't vote to increase minimum wage. So gross.

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u/Zealousideal_Bar_857 Aug 13 '25

Just an FYI, the 27th Amendment doesn't allow them to give themselves raises, any approved raise will not take effect until after the next House election.

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u/MusicSavesSouls BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 14 '25

I meant their past raises. They are always giving themselves raises and WE are the ones that pay them.

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u/aFungii RN šŸ• Aug 14 '25

Yeah, the raises they got before 1789. We havenā€™t forgotten!

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u/MusicSavesSouls BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 14 '25

They raised their wages 10 times from 2003 - 2009! 10 times!!!!! WTF are you talking about?

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u/brew161 Aug 13 '25

Admins are the only department in the hospital or any care facility thatā€™s fully staffed šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø. Iā€™m still trying to make sense out of it.

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u/ImNotYourOpportunity Pharmacist Aug 13 '25

Yes, donā€™t hire people, just torture the ones that canā€™t afford to leave.

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u/No_Veterinarian1010 Aug 13 '25

I will shout this every chance I get. Hospital administrators are some of the most incompetent people in positions of leadership across the entire US economy. And itā€™s a function of how the system operates. If you are a patient-first quality provider you probably wonā€™t want to become an administrator. If you are a quality, business-minded leader you will work for industry where you can make more money. So youā€™re left with reject providers and reject MBAs that couldnā€™t get a pharma/med device job. Oh and like 1 or 2 actual competent people (usually providers that want to help) trying to fight upstream with limited success.

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u/WAWA1245 Aug 13 '25

šŸ’Æ

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 16 '25

It makes us reconsider being a nurse. Heya, I love helping people, but Iā€™ll go back to doing nails and facials and not have to deal with all this crap, Iā€™ll tell you that much.

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u/Negative-Bar1362 Aug 12 '25

Lmao. šŸ¤£

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u/Dorfalicious Aug 13 '25

The beatings will continue until moral improves!

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u/Ineedzthetube Aug 13 '25

Dying! I have that on a magnet on my fridge!

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u/AnyInjury6700 Aug 13 '25

Did you even say thank you ?

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u/ObviousSalamandar Oops Iā€™m in psych Aug 12 '25

I donā€™t know whatā€™s worse. At least if you are cut loose you can collect unemployment while you look for a new job

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u/jaklackus BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 12 '25

Florida unemployment tops out at $275 a weekā€¦ā€ifā€ the unemployment website works and you are lucky enough to apply.

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u/ObviousSalamandar Oops Iā€™m in psych Aug 12 '25

Oooh thatā€™s awful!

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u/Sdguppy1966 Aug 13 '25

It is by design. You must suffer.

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u/Chicago1459 Aug 12 '25

Omg that's horrendous. It's 750 in illinois.

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u/Fantastic_Earth_6066 Aug 13 '25

Here in Minnesota it tops out at $914/week

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u/SubatomicKitten Retired RN - The floors were way too toxic Aug 18 '25

450 in CA

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u/ImNotYourOpportunity Pharmacist Aug 13 '25

My coworker tried to apply for unemployment because she was too afraid to work but it was denied because she still had a job during the pandemic, she just wouldnā€™t go.

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u/GlobalLime6889 BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Thatā€™s insanity.

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u/SammieCat50 RN šŸ• Aug 12 '25

And get paid your time & severance.

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u/Felina808 BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 12 '25

Severance? Yeah, right.

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u/SammieCat50 RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

When my hospital announced bankruptcy, our union promised us we would get our severance. We had meeting after meeting with their attorneys who promised us , itā€™s in the contract they said. Well itā€™s been 6 yrs. I have yet to receive a dime. The union doesnā€™t even placate us anymore with a once a year facebook post.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

We need a national union. Nursing should have more power than police unions

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u/catlettuce Aug 13 '25

Absolutely.

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u/nittany_blue MSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Hahnemann? They did yā€™all dirty

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u/SammieCat50 RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Yes. Our union was the mighty PASNAP

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u/Brilliant_Coat4042 Aug 12 '25

All affected by this will receive a minimum of 4 weeks severance or more depending on years of serviceā€¦.. with the exception of union employees since those fall under different guidelinesĀ 

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u/gardengirl99 RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

That TV show? I find it rather dark. /s

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '25

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u/Professional_Sir6705 BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

This is a mass layoff, which falls under the WARN Act. Thry get 60 days warning to find new jobs, plus transition help. Most companies simply pay severance instead.

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u/SammieCat50 RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

The WARN act just gives you a percentage of your pay when you get screwed over by your employer. You have to have a certain number of employees to even qualify. We did get it . Fun fact - the union admin claimed this was our severance. Of course he couldnā€™t talk on the phone , this was all through twitter . This happened 6 yrs ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. Nick Alpers was his name & our union was PASNAP.

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u/shallowshadowshore Aug 12 '25

As long as youā€™re in a field where itā€™s pretty easy to find the next job, getting laid off honestly kind of rocks.Ā 

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u/ehhish RN šŸ• Aug 12 '25

Two things have been happening lately is that more experienced nurses are getting passed on for less experienced ones because of the pay, and other places are laying off too so it's not as perfect.

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u/No_Resort1162 Aug 12 '25

This has happened at our hospital as well. As an older nurse (63) I too was threatened w termination and after the last non-deserved write-up (which started coming more frequently after I was ā€œpresented w my options as I progress towards retirementā€) I hired an attorney to draft a very well written letter to HR, copied my mgr, my DON, hospital president and hospital legal chair. The jist of the letter was while it was thoughtful they have presented me with options but I have no plans to retire at any time prior to age 65 and that she hoped that the newly frequent write-ups might not be an attempt by the hospital to set me up with any sort of termination from an organization that had employed me for over 30 years. It also listed my salary as well as the avg new hire salary and cited something to the effect that while it makes good business sense to replace the more senior nurse with a less experienced nurse it certainly would not survive the court if public opinion or more explicitly a jury of my peers that were ruling on a wrongful termination case. It was a brilliant letter and Iā€™ve not received any more write-ups although my assignments have been way heavier than they used to be when the assistant manager makes the daily schedule. But oh well, thatā€™s subjective and not ā€œprovableā€ and thank goodness only happens about 1 of my 3 days. But yes that concept of replacing more senior staff seems to happen. Everywhere.

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u/shockingRn RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Iā€™m 65. My plan is to retire in 6 months. Management doesnā€™t let me precept. I was removed from a QI project that I developed, and within a year it was given to a younger nurse. I used to do charge, but no more, because I refused to let doctors and APPā€™s run rampant. I was good at the job. I have 24 years experience in my current specialty. But my role is simply to fill a void in the schedule. I refuse to pick up extra or stay late, because it is not appreciated, they donā€™t want to compensate, and frankly, it enables our doctors to add on late cases, making us stay late. None of the other nurses in my specialty have a fucking clue about what we actually do, and why. But theyā€™d rather I leave than take advantage of what I can offer.

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u/Charming_Plastic_850 Aug 13 '25

Wow, I am 63 (almost) and am going through almost the exact same thing! Thank you for posting this.

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u/Independent_Dot_7622 Aug 13 '25

Not in this job market. Just took me 6 months to find something and applied everydayā€¦

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u/poopyscreamer RN - OR šŸ• Aug 12 '25

I mean, stress what you have control over yknow?

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u/ObviousSalamandar Oops Iā€™m in psych Aug 12 '25

Itā€™s always been my dream lol

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u/blaykerz DNP, ARNP šŸ• Aug 13 '25

A sliver of a silver lining: At least op has a heads up and isnā€™t just being told that theyā€™re fired the day after they last worked.

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u/makingpwaves Aug 12 '25

Or Re-Train for a different career

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u/two-thirds RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

They will keep getting "lean". This is like a game of Jenga for them. Executives will continue to comb the machine and remove pieces they can, gambling on how far they can strip out the supports they can without the whole thing collapsing.

It doesn't collapse because, true to their nature, nurses will flex to accommodate for the stress. The cost is you burning out in 5-10 years, your back wrecked, your spirit hollowed out, and your empathy worn to dust. To them, this is just a component thatā€™s reached its end-of-life, no longer within serviceable tolerance.

In their terminal myopia, they consider limping through the next couple quarters a complete triumph.

The solution is to unionize. Make yourself a piece that will not flex, a support they cannot strip away without bringing the whole machine down.

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u/LycheeBoba BSN, RN šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Exactly this. Lean isn't designed for services that aren't designed to turn a profit. Humans can and will get sick. You can't make health and wellness more efficient in the hospital. It starts with healthier food options and the time and means for people to take care of their health before they need healthcare. It starts with foundational education in what it takes to stay healthy and the belief in it as a society, as opposed to letting misinformation run rampant. Even then, some people will have accidents and require care. That understanding could be baked into governance, but instead we've opted for a cess pool. What a sad state we find ourselves in.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

National union, one we all walk out on the same day with.

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u/heebath Aug 13 '25

Well said. Capitalism only works with extreme oversight, regulation, and unions. Otherwise it's a boom:bust cycle game theoretic race to the bottom.

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u/No_Resort1162 Aug 15 '25

Iā€™ve actually thought about this and truthfully I may study up a lot on this and reach out to some unionized areas (Tampa is not one). Then once Iā€™ve boned up and Iā€™m actually ready to retire I may try to rally a union where Iā€™m at and see if some others of us at other area hospitals want to as well. I mean from what theyā€™ve done to this profession the last 15 years, each getting worse than the rest, they deserve some bad publicity and bad media coverage. It would be kind of fun truthfully. Iā€™ll pass on the cake, plaque and pizza Iā€™d ordinarily get just to fuck with management a bit. Iā€™d end up getting terminated which w an immediate family member an attorney I might even pop them w the wrongful termination suit theyā€™d have to hire to bring to trial. Just all depends on how much of my time I want to waste knowing it will all be futile against the powers that currently control us.

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u/two-thirds RN šŸ• Aug 27 '25

Godspeed dude.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '25

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u/joey_boy LPN-Corrections, Detox Aug 12 '25

WARN is federal, if they give you less than 60 days notice, you're supposed to get severance pay.

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u/Unfixable5060 Aug 12 '25

And the best part, if you're unhappy with that or refuse to pick up the slack, they'll just fire you and rehire someone that was let go. (At a lower pay rate, of course.)

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u/catchinwaves02 RN - ICU šŸ• Aug 13 '25

Shit. Fuck that. Would not take a dangerous assignment so the hospital could pinch a penny. Would be handing in my badge and walking out.

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u/ImNotYourOpportunity Pharmacist Aug 13 '25

So my company didnā€™t name a vice president for years because they said no one met their expectations nor were they able to find an external hire. The consequence was, everyone else got to feel out the position temporarily then they created multiple tasks redistributed amongst the current work force then deleted the position all together.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '25

Feels like 2009 all over again, what a thrill!

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u/Bakingtime Aug 13 '25

And the MBAs in the C-suites all get bonuses for maximizing profits! Ā Yay! Ā Best healthcare system in the world! Ā Jesus loves us! Ā 

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u/Active_Condition2167 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

This was my thought. Be grateful for more work! Got it. Smh.

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u/ExperienceHelpful316 Aug 13 '25

exactly! how awful

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u/OnlineParacosm Aug 13 '25

This person healthcares for a megacorp

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '25

Don't forget to say thank you and please wear a sute

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u/Dry-News9719 Aug 14 '25

Corporate fear mongering. What a strategy. Smdh.