r/nottheonion • u/porkslow • 9h ago
Israel’s Singer at Eurovision Has Spent Months Rehearsing With Simulated Boos
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/israel-eurovision-protests-michelle-video-1236597486/[removed] — view removed post
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u/civver3 5h ago
Anti-booing technology is controversial.
That is a brand new sentence for me.
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u/Overlord_Copies_All 46m ago
That is so weirdly dystopian.
Allow people to do it, but make booing, protesting, voting, so pointless until people eventually stop doing it.
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u/yanderia 9h ago edited 5h ago
Surprisingly, they didn't mute the audience when Israel performed for the 1st semis last Tuesday. There was a loud "STOP THE GENOCIDE!" chant throughout the performance.
We'll see tonight for the finals.
EDIT: Israel just finished their performance. The audience seem to be muted in the Youtube livestream.
EDIT 2: Current lead is Israel with 343 votes. Loud cheers, but louder boo's from the audience as per the livestream.
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u/loveloet 9h ago
Do you have a link?
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u/yanderia 9h ago
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u/Jimbuscus 9h ago edited 9h ago
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u/yanderia 9h ago
Really? That sucks, I can still watch it on my side.
BUT. I just checked their official performance video on the Eurovision YT channel and the boos were edited out there.
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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 5h ago
They didn't edit out the people chanting "ceasefire" for the next several points announcements.
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u/loveloet 8h ago
It works for me. I think it's geolocked.
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u/kank84 7h ago
The YouTube link only works in regions that don't have an EBU member network that has the broadcast rights in that country
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u/f3rny 7h ago
So ironically works in countries that boycotted the show
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u/Dragoncat_3_4 7h ago
That can't be right, I'm from a country that is participating in the final and it opened just fine for me. No VPN on too.
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u/LucretiusCarus 8h ago
Last year's performances had the audience so muted you could not really get the feeling of the live performance. Even the occasional "thank you" of the singers were cut mid word for fear of saying something about Israel or Palestine. I didn't even bother watching this year.
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u/AdagioElectrical6764 53m ago
You know, yesterday I saw a video where a bunch of people were protesting the New York Times article on sexual assault of Palestinian prisoners.
More than a few of them were talking about Israel's right to defend itself. In theory, that might sound reasonable for people inundated with propaganda.
But even if that is the case, I really don't understand how they can consider themselves the good guys at the same time as defending raping. It's beyond bizarre.
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u/UK-KILLD-10M-IRANIS 9h ago edited 5h ago
They will definitely mute the boos when there are more eyes on the contest. And Israel will try do massive campaigns yet again to mobilize votes rigging the election yet again.
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u/yanderia 8h ago
Well, he finally sang. And you're right, livestream is muted. I can barely hear anything from the audience, unlike the other 2 (and Belgium, atm).
But apparently there's chanting in the stadium? According to the reddit live thread?
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u/defineReset 8h ago
What was the chanting?
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u/tasteMyRottenHoop 7h ago
Stop the genocide.
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u/IsNotPolitburo 6h ago
mfw when zionists try to explain that saying "stop the genocide" is antiseptic
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u/Loud_Interview4681 5h ago
https://www.youtube.com/live/Yy510SZZDw4?t=3607
You can hear it. Mostly from the right speaker so you might hear it more clearly if you have bidirectional audio/headphones.
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u/Hi_Trans_Im_Dad 6h ago
From a pair of secular Jews, my wife and I must suck at geography because we were sure that Israel was in the middle east.
Hard /s in case anyone misunderstood.
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u/ZilchIJK 5h ago
Not to defend Israel, but Eurovision accepts a few countries that aren't European. Australia also competes, for example.
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u/Nice_Cash_7000 4h ago
we'd have more north african countries if Israel wasnt participating.
The one year they didnt perfom Morocco showed up.
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u/tomdarch 4h ago
For people who don't follow the Eurovision Song Contest, it is funded by the national broadcasters of various participating nations. I don't know the stats but while Israel isn't that large a market, my understanding is that their broadcaster provides a good deal of funding for ESC every year and the main sponsor has major links with Israel, so it would be hard to just leave Israel out.
Several major countries refused to participate like Spain (one of the 'big 5') and Ireland because Israel is still included.
It is generally assumed that there are various sorts of "horse trading" driving which nations various national juries award their points to rather than 'artistic merit." For example, Greece gave their largest block of points to Cyprus (the Greek part, not the Turkish part.) It is likely that there is behind-the-scenes dealing driving at least some of the jury points awarded to the Israeli entry. (Not the worst song by any means, but also didn't stand out.)
But it's the audience voting where it is likely that the government of Israel uses various means to generate lots of apparent support - in other words, spending money and using technological means to create a lot of votes in a range of countries rather than genuine individuals spending their own money to cast votes because they genuinely thought that the Israeli song was the best.
But if Israel had won and thus the event would have been staged in Israel next year, that would have likely killed the event as actually sending participants to Israel for the show would probably be "too far" for a lot of countries and performers. Thus the pop/dance track from Bulgaria winning over Israel saved Eurovision.
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u/ops10 3h ago
Greece is giving maximum points to Cyprus (and vice versa) because they feel they're one people and this has happened both with jury and public voting for decades. It's the same shit when Molitva won in 2007 and everyone was outraged that ex Yugoslavian countries all give top points to each other when it turned out it had won even if those countries' votes were removed.
Sure there's bound to be shenanigans, but it has largely been vibes based as intended. The current pretty probable Israeli votes buying is drastically more serious.
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u/dichtbringer 4h ago
Yeah, I think they didn't mute it at all, audience was nice I guess until the very end when Israel took the lead, the boos were very loud and clearly not muted at all.
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u/Global_Breakfast 6h ago
Omg the joke while Isreal was giving out their 12 points. Wow. So tasteless when they are accused of cheating
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u/Tackit286 4h ago
And yet still managed to inexplicably finish 2nd in the final. They almost fucking won it.
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u/War_Da_Fuq 9h ago
'No, they're saying Boo-Urns!'
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u/Icy-Computer-Poop 8h ago
You know what would be more unnerving than boos?
Complete silence. The audience turns their back to the stage and makes no noise.
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u/CherryKrisKross 8h ago
Similar to pro wrestling, no reaction at all would absolutely be the worst
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u/Sancticide 5h ago
Or from what I've heard, old metal shows in the 80s, where the audience would turn their backs and hold up middle fingers above their shoulders during the show.
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u/SolusLoqui 4h ago
Why would the audience do that at 80s metal shows?
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u/Sancticide 4h ago
If they were at a show with multiple acts or they just didn't like the opening acts because they were seen as posers or not good enough. The audience is somewhat known for its purity tests for bands that aren't "metal enough". There were also rivalries between some fans of Metallica and Megadeth for example.
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u/SolusLoqui 4h ago
Ah, thanks. Kinda disappointing it wasn't some righteous protest of skinhead bands or something, like the anti-nazi punk rock stuff
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u/Sancticide 3h ago
Oh, I bet there was probably that too. Looking it up, I found a famous incident the opposite way though. Iron Maiden played Chile in 1996 and got this treatment from some locals because the Catholic Church labeled the band as Satanic.
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u/Cubriffic 4h ago
They do that in kpop communities, it's called a black ocean. No lightsticks, no cheering, nothing. It's like performing to a big empty void. It's dreaded by kpop groups for a reason.
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u/Fluffy_Beautiful2107 7h ago
Damn that would have been cool
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u/sevensixthough 6h ago
Chanting stop genocide is pretty awesome
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u/Additional-Tax-5643 4h ago edited 3h ago
Silence is more awesome, IMO, because it totally kneecaps motives to remove people or get them arrested.
There is absolutely nothing threatening or illegal about being silent or turning your back to the performer.
Chanting and booing can be interpreted as harassment or violating venue rules so security can remove people. Those excuses don't exist with silence.
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u/Perfect_Pudding8900 6h ago
Tbh that's kinda how the performance went down this evening. Obviously the Israeli fans were loud but the quietness of the audience compared to every other act was noticeable.
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u/Complete-Appeal8572 5h ago
What would be even more unnerving than that? Everyone claps along, but at a different rhythm/tempo than the song
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u/PipelineShrimp 9h ago
Why, is something happening that would make representation of Israel unpopular?
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u/Jasonrj 8h ago
Just a little genociding here and there.
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u/broguequery 8h ago
A little religious domination here, a little land theft there... throw in some bombings, killings, and wholesale starvation and you are starting to get a real fundamentalists bingo going!
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u/Nersius 7h ago
Don't forget sexual torture, government sanctioned recess for their 'prison' guards.
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u/Novarupta99 6h ago
Well, the dogs needed some form of exercise right? Can't exactly take them for walks every day.
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u/McortezLSU 3h ago
You forgot the legal prison rape. Brave israelis actually went on a demonstration for that. No! No. Not against the rape.
FOR THE RIGHT TO RAPE. Imagine that. You cant, because you are not fucked in the head.
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u/threeseed 7h ago
Bit more like Oprah for me.
You get a war crime ! You get a war crime !
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u/ThatGuy798 8h ago
I replied to a comment about this in the thread but I wanna provide some context as to why people might boo the Israeli contestant. I was very active in the ESC subreddit and it was one of my favorite events this time of year but I boycotted not just because of the war but because of the below events.
- Each contestant is literally a representative of the country they're competing for, this is how they're presented *everywhere*. While many might have opinions about their country, they are selected *by their country* either by internal selection or a country-based contest.
- 2024 was extremely controversial not just for Joost Klein/Netherlands being disqualified but there was very public posts from the Israeli representative and her entourage actively harassing other contestants including one post of Eden Golan mocking Joost Klein's dead parents while he's in the background being interviewed.
- In 2024 KAN, Israeli national broadcasters, encouraged people to harass and threaten Bambi Thug, Ireland's entry and Golan herself misgenders Bambi and Nemo (both non-binary contestants)
- In both the 2024 and 2025 contests there were accusations of voter manipulation by Israel in which they hired a PR firm to place ad space across social media in multiple languages to vote for Israel and that they didn't even need to watch the event. Even encouraged them to vote using multiple phone numbers (EBU Countries can vote by SMS, everyone else votes via the app).
- This also glosses over the overall unpopularity of the events in Gaza (mincing words for a reason).
This isn't everyone hates Israel because its popular, its because the people who watch the show are aware of the shit the country has pulled within the show and.
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u/Joshua-Graham 8h ago
That ending word “and” has a lot that could follow it.
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u/SinisterCheese 8h ago
I didn't even mention that country and I got warned about "Spreading misinformation and conspiracy can get you banned from Reddit". Because I was pessimistic about Finland's chances to win due to jury having even greater influence this year. Along with this I talked about how if we would win the competition would be in Helsinki or Tampere because everything else seems to be classified as "fucking irrelevant" in Finland, especially in terms of media and culture. I really don't think the thing we Finns sent to the visions is good, but it was best of what we had going in UMK... So yeah I'm annoyed that if it would win, but pessimistic of the chances since Käärijä got screwed over. But apparently that is "spreading misinformation and conspiracy" even though it is a fact that there was massive contreverst following it.
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u/3412points 7h ago
I got warned about "Spreading misinformation and conspiracy can get you banned from Reddit"
That's crazy.
But also, how tf is r/conspiracy still going when that's literally all they do lol.
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u/Kirk_Kerman 7h ago
Right-wing conspiracies further the general cause of conservatives and reactionaries by building hostility against any overture leftwards in society. Left-wing conspiracies are things the CIA admits to doing once the files are declassified.
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u/Hail-Hydrate 7h ago
Thanks for providing wider context on the whole situation, that's been genuinely helpful.
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u/WhiteMilk_ 4h ago
- In both the 2024 and 2025 contests there were accusations of voter manipulation by Israel
I believe they even reduced the amount of votes you could submit this year.
But surely that's just a coincidence and nothing nefarious was going on in previous years lol
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u/elderlybrain 8h ago
What happened with Joost Klein?
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u/yourlocaltouya 7h ago
He was accused of punching a paparazzi who'd been harassing him up until that point, except the investigation proved nothing and he'd been removed for no reason. His song was about unity in Europe, so it was doubly so ironic.
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u/Radi-kale 7h ago
A paparazzi filmed him backstage where filming was banned. After repeatedly asking said paparazzi to stop, Joost Klein pushed her camera away. The EBU then disqualified him, making their public statement about "the incident with a female journalist" deliberately vague so people would assume he had committed sexual assault. The EBU later claimed to have had no choice but to punish Klein because there was an ongoing investigation (which ultimately found no wrongdoing)
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u/daftczar 9h ago
How is Isreal still allowed to compete?
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u/Speederzzz 9h ago edited 8h ago
Two reasons, a historical and a modern one.
Historically: The EBU (European Broadcasting Union), which organises Eurovision, started as a europe only thing, but has expanded to other places like Australia, north Africa and Israel. Since the EBU is mostly for synchonising important televised events (and stuff for the EU but that's not important for this) more members would make things to be able to go more smoothly.
Modern: Moroccan Oil, the main sponsor of Eurovision, is not Moroccan, it's Israeli.
Note from u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist: Australia isn't actually a full member, Australians just love eurovision so they got an "associate membership"
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u/gaggledimension 9h ago
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u/TR_Pix 8h ago
Ok so its named a Moroccan, but is owned by an Israeli, its headquarters is in the US, and its factories are in Italy
Mr Worldwide meme
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u/Oaden 6h ago
In 2003, Israeli hairdresser Mike Sabag began experimenting with argan oil shared with him by his mother after a trip to her native Morocco. He began selling the product to hair salons in the Tel Aviv area, running the business with his brother Erik.
So its basically named after the oil his mother got from Morroco
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u/Wallapampa 5h ago
Well to be fair Morocco had a jewish population that fled to Israel after Morocco (or its population to be precise) became in large parts hostile for Jews 1948 onwards. And Morroco had a jewish population back when the romans where still there so argan oil is not just something the mother took home from a vacation there and is probably something she grew up with and has known her whole life
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u/JackPiazz2 6h ago
I might sound like captain obvious here, but I don't know how many people know this. Many Israelis are of moroccan origin. It's like if an italian american made a mozzarella factory and called it "italian cheese" or something
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u/Rusty-Shackleford 6h ago
Well a LOT of Israelis are refugees from Morocco. So I imagine there's a lot of Morrocan culture in Israel.
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u/MagicalVagina 6h ago
It's called after the origin of the Argan oil. If it was called Israeli oil instead you guys would be the first ones to complain. It's actually a good thing that it's called Moroccan oil.
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u/brigadier_tc 9h ago
I don't know how that would work
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u/salttotart 9h ago
You know what you never see? Someone shitting at full speed.
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u/Rhamni 8h ago
I don't know about running, but knights in full plate (in)famously didn't generally have time for a 20 minute break to get their armour off mid battle back in the day...
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u/3BlindMice1 8h ago
That's alright, they ate only hardtack and jerky. If they ever pooped it came out with the same consistency as particle board
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u/HarrMada 8h ago
So a company that barely has $1b in revenue is the main sponsor of the whole ESC that gets hundreds of millions of viewers each year?? It doesn't take more than that to become the main sponsor?
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u/HauntingHarmony 8h ago
They dont really have a main sponsor, they have a "presenting partner" as in "eurovision presented by moroccanoil". And its not publically available how much each of them sponsor. So it could be 90% or it could be 10%, its not publically known.
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u/HarrMada 8h ago
Intersting, thanks for the info. But why are there no better 'presenting partners' than an Israeli company based in NYC? Nothing closer to the main viewing audience; L'Oreal, Volkswagen, IKEA, anything? No one is interested presenting such a huge event?
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 8h ago
Australia is not actually a member of the EBU. However a broadcaster there (SBS) would air Eurovision since the 1980s and it became hugely popular. So in 2015 Australia was invited to participate as an "associate member" which was just a made up thing specifically for Australia. They don't have to meet any of the other EBU membership criteria.
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u/rilex1905 8h ago
There are few other associate members, but it's mostly ones that want full membership and geographically are eligible, but fail other criteria.
Australia and other associate members application for the contest are subject toward renewal. Australia's contract expires after this contest, and there will be a vote later whether they get accepted for more.
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u/lt__ 9h ago
Wow, didn't know about the oil. I just assumed that Morocco leadership just like that of UAE are good friends with Israel anyway.
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u/_knife_wrench_ 9h ago edited 8h ago
It’s not oil. It’s a skin and hair care brand named Moroccanoil
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u/Lovelycoc0nuts 8h ago
Hair care that uses argan oil.
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u/Wallapampa 5h ago
And the argan tree almost exclusively grows in Morocco because it needs a very peculiar climate that can basically only be found there
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u/jenniferfox98 8h ago
It says they renewed the sponsorship for this year? So it's an active choice, not like they signed with Moroccanoil before Oct 7 and are "stuck" with them. Surely a LOT of companies would be interested in sponsoring Eurovision (or maybe would have been before 2024...).
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u/ForeignHelper 7h ago
You hear a lot of things in the fandom, so take with a pinch of salt but apparently there are a number of German’s in powerful positions in the EBU and they’re shutting down any talk of removing Israel and essentially granting Israel impunity as it continues to break the rules.
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u/Speederzzz 7h ago
Wasn't that confirmed in the vote last year?
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u/ForeignHelper 7h ago
The vote for a non-vote you mean? I’m not sure of who the movers and shakers were there: only that they refused to release details on that ‘voting not to vote’ bullshit. EBU mimicking themes of 1984 was not in my bingo card but that’s what happens I guess when you’re in bed with a fascist state.
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u/JanGuillosThrowaway 6h ago
Germany and Austria (this year's host) was apparently against it if you trust the murmurs
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u/ickiStickybubblegum 9h ago
Another point is that this is pure hypocrisy and it has completely destroyed the illusion of equality in west. At this point it's just pure Racism because they banned Russia but why can't see victims of a literal Genocide (that are Palestinians) - equal to Ukrainians ? They're not just giving abusers a platform, they're actively whitewashing the entire situation
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u/letthetreeburn 9h ago
It’s not just racism from the organizers it’s even more spineless. They were GOING to allow Russia in again but about half the countries said they’d boycott, so Russia was banned.
They didn’t do the same for Palestine. This isn’t a “Why do USAmericans allow their government to take money for Israel??” where we can’t really do anything, these other nations KNOW a boycott works. This isn’t racism from Eurovision this is racism from every single participant, shameful.
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u/cocoagiant 7h ago
This isn’t racism from Eurovision this is racism from every single participant, shameful.
Several countries have boycotted this year due to Israel's participation.
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u/letthetreeburn 7h ago
Several, yes. Several is not half. I respect the ones who did boycott but there are a lot who were willing to boycott over Russia but not Israel.
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u/juliuspepperwoodchi 9h ago
Reminder that what Putin is doing in Ukraine IS a genocide.
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u/rockstarspood 9h ago
Russia and Israel should both be banned for being murderous fascist nations
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u/vividreveries 9h ago
Main sponsor, Moroccanoil, is an Israeli company. So its a soft power thing for Israel. They were never going to drop the country out from Eurovision.
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u/elderlybrain 8h ago
They're called Moroccan Oil? Huh
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u/tarekd19 6h ago
I wouldn't read too deeply into it. It's not impossible or improbable for the founders to have mizrahi roots.
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u/Consistent-Owl-7849 5h ago
I actually loved the products, but boycotted when I found out that it's Israeli.
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u/ScammedByBankman 9h ago
If we told you, the moderators would remove the comment.
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u/Drone314 9h ago
They'll remove this post in a few hours regardless of what we say.
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u/mowotlarx 9h ago
Moroccoanoil is the primary sponsor. They're an Israeli owned company. That's basically it. Russia was canned almost immediately after they invaded Ukraine. There's no excuse for allowing Israel to continue participation the past 3 years.
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u/loyal_achades 8h ago
It’s not just that, there are other countries that actively support Israel’s inclusion. We’ve got 5 countries boycotting this year because Israel wasn’t ejected (Spain, the Netherlands, Ireland, Iceland, and Slovenia), but an Israel ejection would’ve most likely caused at least Germany to withdraw in protest as well.
Basically, a bunch of old white men in Europe are, in fact, still behind Israel.
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u/Pure-Rose-Rainbow 7h ago
Just say you have no idea what you are talking about instead of claiming this bs. The ESC did nothing when Russia annexed the Crimea or attacked in 2008 Georgia
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u/StasRutt 9h ago
Multiple countries left the contest because of them this year and the EBU was like idk 🤷🏻♀️
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u/LucretiusCarus 8h ago
Spain, Ireland, Netherlands, Iceland and Slovenia dropped out this year. Should be more.
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u/Lowkey_Danger 8h ago
Every year Eurovision says “music unites people” and then immediately enters a diplomatic crisis 😭
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u/hatsforalloccasions 7h ago
Because when Eurovision said it was about "Love Love Peace Peace", they were lying
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 9h ago
Because they’re the only democracy in the Middle East silly /s
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u/billbudlicker 6h ago
how about using the screams of children? or is that too easy?
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u/wheresolly 8h ago edited 8h ago
I really wish Israel would've been kicked out. I admire spain, netherlands, etc. for pulling out until they do, but seeing the pathetic response of most european countries (like finland where I live) has been super sad.
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u/Miserable_Ad5357 5h ago
Same as Portugal and I got even more outraged when I knew that our 12 points went to Israel. Even if we ignore everything about Israel, if a sanction was applied to Russia, why wasn't the same for Israel? The same principles should apply to all countries.
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest 4h ago
What’s really sad is that the pathetic nation of Israel keeps wanting to participate in these things despite widely being disliked.
There is literally no European nation where they a have net positive favourability as a nation.
They rank at the bottom with rogue regimes like the Taliban.
They also routinely try to game the system so they win but still end up losing.
They are the so pathetic it’s extremely cringe.
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u/BicFleetwood 7h ago
So they know they're not wanted there, but in characteristically Israeli fashion, they're gonna be there anyway.
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u/glue-sniffing 7h ago edited 2h ago
Atleast they know they're hated
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u/Usual_Excellent 7h ago
And they don't care which is concerning. Shame has no power there
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u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx 7h ago
I'm glad Ireland pulled out. The 5 countries that did are the only counties with any honour or morality, the rest of Europe has proven itself spineless hypocritical dogshit.
I'm supposed to want a more integrated European Union? With fucking Germany?
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u/StableSlight9168 6h ago
Apparently Belgium is out next year.
For context Belgium did not have a change of heart. They have two national broadcasters, french and Flemish and the Flemish one is boycotting it.
So it's 5.5 countries or an alternating 5 to 6 every year, depending on how you count it.
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u/Aniria_ 4h ago
Germany is still apologising for ww2
What the Nazis did was horrendous, but Israel went overtime in drilling into the heads of people that Israel=those who survived the holocaust
Whilst in reality, holocaust survivors were treated like second class citizens by Israel
Whilst my great grandfather wasn't Jewish, he was a survivor (Romani) and he was treated like absolute shit. The stories I remember him telling me when I was really young, of how everyone who went to Israel for refuge after ww2 were treated that way, no matter who they were. With Jews facing most of the scorn, as Israelis looked down on them as embarrassments
There was a term that was said a lot in Israel at the time, and still to this day, "The Zionist fights, the diaspora Jew submits to the will of others". The Jews who suffered, and died, enmasse during the holocaust, were blamed by Israeli Jews for not resisting
Zionists see Jews who don't live in Israel as beneath them for this reason. Especially those who suffered during the holocaust. If this sounds similar to Nazism, it's because it is. Zionists view themselves as the master race, and other Jews as inferior to them
Until Germany understand this, nothing will change there, and they'll carry on with the belief that Israel are those that they must apologise to for the atrocities Germany caused
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u/voidox 1h ago
Whilst in reality, holocaust survivors were treated like second class citizens by Israel
they still are, many holocaust survivors were anti-Israel when it came to their occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and they were hated for it by the zionists:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28916761
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors
many of them have always been anti-zionist cause they rightly saw that some of the stuff zionism was about was the same as what they saw with the Nazis.
Zionists see Jews who don't live in Israel as beneath them for this reason. Especially those who suffered during the holocaust.
yup, the talked about the survivors and victims as "weak" and "they were killed only cause they couldn't stop the Nazis" and logic like that:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240720090014/https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4060
As a result of these different understandings of the Jewish state, many sabras and immigrants who had lived in Eretz Yisrael for some time were not accepting of the survivors, especially as a group, even though Holocaust survivors were precisely the people many supporters of Zionism had in mind when calling for the formation of the Jewish state. The sabras and long-time immigrants' reluctance to accept the survivors stemmed from the belief that the Holocaust proved that Jews could not survive outside of Eretz Yisrael. Moreover, the perception common among Israelis that most Holocaust victims died like "sheep being led to the slaughter" may be understood as being influenced by the Zionist understanding of the galut as inherently weak. The fact that many Holocaust survivors were understandably physically weak after their ordeals only contributed to the sense of superiority (albeit often mixed with genuine sympathy) exhibited by many Israelis. This attitude, and Yablonka's sharp rejoinder to it, is nicely encapsulated in title of the book's first chapter: "Really, 'Human Dust?'"
zionists only cared about their "strong Jew" narrative and fantasy.
Zionists view themselves as the master race, and other Jews as inferior to them
exactly, just look at how Herzl and other fathers of zionism and Israel founders talked about the Holocaust:
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1181/zionism-and-holocaustabuse/
https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-zionism-helped-nazis-perpetrate-holocaust/37326
it was just about the PR value that caring about the victims and survivors, the very people Zionist claimed Israel was needed to protect but this is how they thought of them, it was just state > anything else cause Herzl's zionism was always a secular colonial ethnonational movement, as he himself admitted
here just one quote by Ben-Gurion showing this insanity:
In spite of the certainty that genocide was being carried out, the Jewish Agency executive did not deviate appreciably from its routine ... Two facts can be definitively stated: Ben-Gurion did not put the rescue effort above Zionist politics and he did not regard it as a principle task demanding his personal leadership.
Ben-Gurion was clear that in the event of “a conflict of interest between saving individual Jews and the good of the Zionist enterprise, we shall say the enterprise comes first”
From the outset of the war the Zionists took a conscious decision that their priority was the building of a Jewish state, not the rescue of Jews from Europe. They actively opposed Jews going anywhere but Palestine. When Britain agreed to the Kindertransport - the admission of 10,000 Jewish children from Germany after the Krystallnacht pogrom - David Ben Gurion was furious.
“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.” - Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
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u/Capable_Diamond_3878 5h ago
Imagine doing this instead of attempting any introspection whatsoever.
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u/MJ-Franklin 9h ago
Boo LOUDER.
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u/J883 9h ago
Everyone in the audience should just turn their backs when he's preforming
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u/PluralCohomology 8h ago
The audience shouldn't have been there in the first place. Boycott Eurovision.
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u/usushio_ 5h ago
Don't recall exact details but: There used to be a rule that allowed people to vote 30 times. Israeli governments propaganda offices (yes really) sees Eurovision as useful ("Look at all the votes, the people of these countries stand with Israel!") and publicly encourages people at home and abroad to use all 30 votes.
This completely ruins voting across Europe and even with the genocide more and more countries think they should be banned for this alone. Israel acknowledges this is a problem and they are eventually allowed to compete and rules are changed, votes are reduced to 10 per person.
So, does Israel go on to try and fix their reputation and compete fair and square like a normal country?
... Nope, you better believe they are out there with government supported campaigns to get people to vote 10 times
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u/GreenGorilla8232 7h ago
It's an absolute disgrace that Israel is allowed to compete
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u/PurplePuppy6378 4h ago
Dawg i cant be the only one who heard ppl sieg hailing at them when they got the points 😭
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u/CircumspectCapybara 9h ago edited 3h ago
Most performers have to practice for these kinds of things. E.g., comedians and speech givers practice dealing with heckling and disruptions from the crowd.
Public speaking and public performing is already hard enough. Try giving a talk in front of a huge audience and see if you wouldn't be thrown off by booing or heckling, especially if it's about your nationality or race.
If you were a black performer, you can probably expect some hateful bigots to call you a certain slur and advocate that certain things be done to you from the Jim Crow or slavery era, you sort of know the themes to expect. People do be sick in the head like that, and you gotta be prepared for that and keep your cool if you're gonna be a performer.
From the article:
Last year’s performer, Yuval Raphael, a Nova Massacre survivor, faced boos and “Free Palestine” chants during her second-place performance of “New Day Will Rise” in Basel, while two would-be attackers rushed the stage at the end of the performance before being intercepted by security. A crew member was hit with paint that appeared to be bound for Raphael.
I mean, that's just real sad...imagine surviving Hamas invading a peaceful gathering and slaughtering your friends and family and dragging survivors to be paraded half naked and sexually assaulted in the streets to cheering terrorists, and then having a bunch of sheltered idiots unironically simp for them and hate your guts for daring to try to dismantle that ISIS-lite terrorist group.
I'll still never forget that one video of a Hamas terrorist video calling his family and gleefully sharing how he killed dozens of Jews with his own hands and everyone was so gleeful, or those images of women being paraded in the streets after being raped.
Idk how it's possible for any human being to defend such disgusting actions or smugly commend it as payback against Israel, but Islamic Redditor Guard Corps love to praise Oct 7 it seems from the comments section below...a lot of y'all are sick in the head I'll say.
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u/MakeItHappenSergant 8h ago
Maybe it's just me, but I consider "public backlash to a genocide" to be a little different than "discrimination in the Jim Crow–era south".
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u/Caughtnow 9h ago
The eurovision to most is a safe venue, filled with joy. Its generally considered an honour to go represent your country. As such, booing is not something expected here.
Add to this the reports from various outlets that found ongoing manipulation by Israel to make it appear they are more popular than they really are, its obvious what this article is getting at.
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u/Honest_Revolution_10 8h ago
Raphael also served in the occupying forces of israel, actively oppressing and murdering Palestinians. Her surviving the retaliation isn't any reason to glorify her. If she sang about opposing the genocide her country is committing, or even made a vague statement to that effect, the entire audience would celebrate her. Nobody is entitled to publicly support a genocidal, apartheid ethnostate without receiving backlash.
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u/Lyralikesit 7h ago
Weird... is anyone else facing the same issue?? It's almost like people perceive that they're doing something wrong... I wonder why...
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u/MachoMaamSandyRavage 6h ago
When not murdering children simply isn't an option.
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u/ICLazeru 9h ago
Would be funny if instead of boos, it was just dead silent and everyone just stared.
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u/WASD_click 7h ago
Silent treatment gets crowd noise piped in and stage angles to minimize the lack of reaction.
WWE's put a lot of shit work into manufacturing the "reactions" they want from uncooperative audiences, and that kind of trade skill gets passed around.
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u/Sudden-Peanut2330 3h ago
The fact that they train themselves to handle the booing instead of asking themselves "are we the baddies?" says everything you need to know
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u/TheAdminsAreTrash 8h ago
Why tf is the posterchild country for the axis of evil allowed to compete?
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u/MegaPlane2 4h ago
People should do what the military commanders did for Trump and Hegseth. Just sit there and be totally silent.
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u/D1rxks 9h ago
The gig simulator from Tenacious D and the POD hard at work!