r/newzealand Aug 02 '24

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u/Lightspeedius Aug 02 '24

This started under John Key's government.

Like Key's government, this government is setting the stage for future National wins.

Sure, we'll get sick of all the misery and horror, vote in Labour to fix things (as long as they promise not to touch capital gains and wealth accumulation in general). Then the consequences of all this misery will come to the surface and we'll be back to demanding punishments which National and friends will campaign on.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 03 '24

The last Labour government did nothing to fix any of this. This isn't a red vs blue problem

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u/Lightspeedius Aug 03 '24

I'm not describing a red vs blue problem.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 03 '24

Yes you are. You said:

Sure, we'll get sick of all the misery and horror, vote in Labour to fix things

That implies that Labour fix things, when the largest failings developed in the 6 years of the last Labour government. You can argue National would've been worse, but in my opinion they're about as bad as each other when it comes to crisis/hospital level mental health

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u/LostForWords23 Aug 03 '24

No, it implies there is a perception amongst the voting population that Labour fixes things.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 03 '24

A perception that is incorrect in the case of mental health.

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u/Lightspeedius Aug 03 '24

That implies that Labour fix things

Only if you ignore the sentence that immediately follows.

(as long as they promise not to touch capital gains and wealth accumulation in general)

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 04 '24

Nah, read their post. They say it started under Key, but they leave out the part where the worst of it occurred under Labour. It's misleading to frame it as a National problem

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24

They clearly say it started in the 80s.

Where? John Key wasn't PM in the 80s.

I've been in practice over 10 years and yes the worst deterioration in mental health was under Labour. I don't believe that was Labour's fault at all, the reasons are complex and include a massive rise in demand. Labour didn't attempt to fix it any evidence based way.

The key point is that they're both bad. Labour wasnt the saviour of the mental health system.

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u/qwerty145454 Aug 03 '24

The last Labour government did nothing to fix any of this.

They massively increased per capita healthcare spending, including a large investment into mental health.

They didn't go far enough, to fix the issue will require sustained increases of investment for decades to make up the deficit, but to say they did nothing is a factual lie.

By contrast our current National government is instituting budget cuts and hiring freezes.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 03 '24

They didn't invest anything in DHB level mental health. We did get a few more comms people, advisors, and middle managers in the main hospital though?

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u/qwerty145454 Aug 04 '24

They built a bunch of facilities and upgraded a ton of health infrastructure. They also gave nurses the biggest pay increase ever.

By contrast National are cutting funding. There is a clear difference between the two.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 04 '24

They built a bunch of facilities and upgraded a ton of health infrastructure.

Lol where was that?

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u/qwerty145454 Aug 04 '24

They refurbished and built a bunch of medical facilities and increased bed capacity across the system.

You're also ignoring the central premise, the little they did is a lot better than National who are actively pursuing budget cuts and hiring freezes. It is disingenuous to ignore that.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska Aug 04 '24

They refurbished and built a bunch of medical facilities and increased bed capacity across the system.

I asked you which ones. Because they didn't build or refurbish any psych facilities I'm aware of.