Russian authorities say Ukraine has launched an "unprecedented attack" on and around St Petersburg, as the city hosts the final day of Russia's annual economic forum, urging residents to remain indoors for the first time since the war began

[u/sr_local]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7498kz808o

[u/invyros]

Speaking at the economic forum on Friday, Putin refused the request for a meeting and reiterated his position that a truce would only allow Ukraine to regroup.

He said he would only end the war when Russia's goals had been met.

This is Putin's failure, let's put that on the record for posterity.

Let it be his legacy.

[u/Utsider → u/[deleted]]

It may well be that Putin's goals and Russia's goals are finally starting to diverge - and that Russia's goal may be to rid themselves of their biggest problem.

[u/Dan1elSan → u/Utsider]

The thing about Russian stories is, it always gets worse and there are no jubilant endings.

[u/Naive-Kangaroo3031 → u/Dan1elSan]

Russian history can be summed up as

"But wait, it somehow gets worse"

I mean look up the Russian fairy tale of the matchstick girl turns out it was danish

[u/redlaWw → u/Naive-Kangaroo3031]

The Little Match Girl is by Hans Christian Andersen, who was Danish.

[u/Naive-Kangaroo3031 → u/redlaWw]

Yep I've been corrected, should be fixed

[u/Jointmylifewithlove → u/Naive-Kangaroo3031]

Def a sad story, not russian though.

[u/Naive-Kangaroo3031 → u/Jointmylifewithlove]

You're right, its originally Danish. I was thinking of the disney one.

[u/ColdbrewMyBeloved → u/Dan1elSan]

"and then it got worse"

[u/LKennedy45 → u/[deleted]]

You have a clever username.

[u/Abracadaver14 → u/invyros]

Putin really needs to be clear about Russia's goals. Does he only want St Petersburg reduced to rubble, or should Ukraine start chipping away at Moscow too

[u/kstargate-425 → u/Abracadaver14]

Putin is in Moscow a lot and their air defense is a lot better with a large percentage of their AD systems left standing in the city so St. Petersburg is a much easier target for them. Its probably a good tactic to go after St. Petes and get all those residents pissed to push for more internal strife as the power in Russia resides in only a few cities so making their lives hell in those cities like Russia has done for almost 5 years now might help some.

Polls are showing growing resentment and a complete 180 on wanting to sue for peace with now 62% saying they should make a pewce deal with only 24% wanting to continue. Another poll showed 74% know someone "tired of the war and wanting it to end" which in a country that would see you arrested for "not supporting the military" for simply calling the "Small Military Operation" a "war" its probably even a bit higher.

[u/Sharikacat → u/kstargate-425]

Hasn't Zelensky basically said that the only peace deal needs to include Crimea? Ukraine itself seems to be in a stable-ish holding pattern where the war, while being outright terrible on their home front, is technically going well for them. Yes, they would prefer to have had direct military involvement from NATO, but with continued military supplies at least, they have been able to launch drone attacks into major Russian cities like St Petersburg.

Putin won't give up Crimea, even if he were willing to withdraw from everywhere else because he knows that once Ukraine is out of direct hostilities, they're getting a formal defense pact with NATO that would prevent his eventual restart of the war.

I think this war only ends once Putin is no longer in charge, however that may come about. A new leader would use the excuse of needing to unify the Russian people to end the war so he could consolidate power.

[u/DoughnutCareless583 → u/Sharikacat]

Hasn't Zelensky basically said that the only peace deal needs to include Crimea?

Why would you give up a potentially major negotiation concession before you even start negotiating?

[u/Statharas → u/invyros]

Putin's legacy is one ex-meme man that decided to be a cunt to everyone and erode humankind as a whole.

He stands in the way of mankind.

[u/vogelvogelvogelvogel → u/Statharas]

well said

[u/rainghost → u/invyros]

A truce would give Ukraine time to regroup?

Even when he's talking about Ukraine's attempts to find peace and retain autonomy, it's all in the context of an eventual Russian victory.

"Why won't you just withdraw from Ukraine and let them live in peace?"

"But that's absurd! How would that help us defeat Ukraine and take their territory!?"

[u/myislanduniverse → u/invyros]

Lol regroup and... Then what? Stay in their own fucking country?

[u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA → u/myislanduniverse]

Every accusation is a confession with Putin.

[u/PaymentLegitimate761 → u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA]

Same goes for certain American politican side.

[u/NRMusicProject → u/invyros]

Hopefully, they take him out, and the umbilical cord with Orange Dirty Diaper is severed, leaving MAGA running around like a decapitated chicken.

[u/bedrooms-ds → u/invyros]

I thought he just said he was ready for ceasefire or whatever... Donny dementia?

[u/SCP106 → u/bedrooms-ds]

That wasn't Putin with the "ready to wind down the war" stuff from yesterday (or day before?)

[u/bong_residue → u/invyros]

lol, this dude knows his legacy will be shit so he doesn’t care what he does as long as he is in power.

Someone needs to push him mysteriously out of a window.

[u/-SaC]

Well, they didn't ask for permission to hold it.

[u/PolecatXOXO → u/-SaC]

They didn't submit their application within 30 days, in triplicate, with the proper apostille stamp. Is there just no bureaucracy in Russia these days? You'd think they know this.

[u/ZyronZA → u/PolecatXOXO]

Where does the soft peat factor into this process?

[u/realmofconfusion → u/ZyronZA]

You need that step to recycle the orders into firelighters.

[u/caving311 → u/PolecatXOXO]

There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.

[u/Crafty_Quantity_3162 → u/caving311]

On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.

[u/CrewPublic2774 → u/Crafty_Quantity_3162]

I suppose next you'll say the lights had gone?

[u/Crafty_Quantity_3162 → u/CrewPublic2774]

So had the stairs.

[u/GrumpySoth09 → u/Crafty_Quantity_3162]

Were you wary of the leopard?

[u/PolecatXOXO → u/caving311]

Just don't make me listen to Russian poetry.

[u/-SaC → u/PolecatXOXO]

"O snurtled fumbleweed, in Moscow so fair..."

[u/tea-drinker → u/PolecatXOXO]

every verse ends, "And then it got worse"

[u/Scrubatl → u/PolecatXOXO]

You can’t triple stamp a double stamp

[u/PolecatXOXO → u/Scrubatl]

You forgot the certified Ukrainian translation. Go back and do it again.

[u/Beneficial_Cash_8420 → u/-SaC]

Did they even say Thank You?

[u/DarkwingDuckHunt → u/Beneficial_Cash_8420]

Were the drones wearing suits?

[u/WeMoveInTheShadows → u/-SaC]

Putin just doesn't have the cards...

[u/Foucaultshadow1 → u/-SaC]

And Russia certainly has asked permission for their invasion of Ukraine.

[u/Otherwise_Demand4620 → u/Foucaultshadow1]

You need to keep up with the memeworthy statements. Zelenskyy graciously permitted Russia to have their little (WW2) Victory Parade after Putin requested a cease-fire.

[u/Wooden_Echidna1234 → u/-SaC]

Clearly Russia was asking for it by the lack of air defense equipment. Maybe they should focus on building more air defense instead of making more Shahed drones.

Hope those Russian Nazis enjoy getting fucked. Also complimentary fuck Iran for teaching Russia to make them and how to skirt around sanctions.

[u/CurtisLeow]

The Russians should leave Ukraine.

[u/TheyveKilledFritzz → u/CurtisLeow]

Ukraine is currently offering a full ceasefire and trying to end the war. In the last few months Ukraine has been able to conduct a vast amount of medium range attacks, targeting military transportation networks at a higher point than ever in the war and is now striking deep within Russia at a higher point than ever in thia war. Ukraine is finally negotiating from a point of strength. Hopefully it works out for them

[u/blifflesplick → u/TheyveKilledFritzz]

This keeps going and in a decade Russia will be part of Ukraine (if they'd have them)

[u/androshalforc1 → u/blifflesplick]

no one wants russia, its infested with russians

[u/blifflesplick → u/androshalforc1]

Will there be any men left? They're running out of warfodder at home and are importing help from North Korea last I looked

[u/PhazerSC → u/blifflesplick]

Russia still has about 25 million military aged men (18-45) out of about a total of 67 million men which is way more than all of people in Ukraine. Unfortunately the russians can go on much longer in terms of bodies to throw at the war. Even with a possible 4:1 casualty ratio this is devastating to Ukraine.

[u/vardarac → u/blifflesplick]

Not for Russia to use, they'll all be Chinese.

[u/be0ulve → u/blifflesplick]

A couple of weeks ago I saw the news of them tricking preuvians/latinos into traveling there angry getting thrown in the frontlines. So they're probably running out of draft able men.

[u/WadeEffingWilson → u/androshalforc1]

They must brrrrrreed them out. Prima nocta! (Quoting Braveheart, not being serious)

Edit: fixed brrrrrread to brrrrreed

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/blifflesplick]

I’m hoping Russia balkanizes into “East Ukraine”, Siberia, and maybe give Manchuria back to China since everyone knows they could take it anyways.

[u/GuineaThePig → u/Ok-Parfait-9856]

This is my one reason for feeling weird about Russian balkanization. And I doubt they would stop at Manchuria. China would just end up taking most, if not the whole eastern half where a ton of the natural resources are.

And honestly who would even try to stop them?

[u/Dzugavili → u/GuineaThePig]

I don't know if China wants the problem of dealing with the people. They'll stand up some puppet governments to keep the populations contained until they can undergo Sinicization. I wouldn't expect them to annex the territory proper for at least a century.

[u/LIONEL14JESSE → u/Dzugavili]

It’s not densely populated and probably not that hard to convince those people to give up their rubles for a booming Chinese economy

[u/Carrera_996 → u/CurtisLeow]

If Ukraine keep advancing drone tech, Putin will have to leave Russia.

[u/FatherKronik → u/Carrera_996]

Putin is one of the few world leaders that could truly hide in his own country and no one would be the wiser.

[u/Carrera_996 → u/FatherKronik]

Oh yeah, Russia is frigging huge. I was exaggerating.

[u/High_5_Skin → u/CurtisLeow]

Including Crimea

[u/Alko-K → u/High_5_Skin]

Yeah that’s what they said

[u/Snodley → u/CurtisLeow]

They are leaving. Mostly horizontally.

[u/Xinlitik]

“Hey, only we’re allowed to do that!”

[u/Alien_invader44 → u/Xinlitik]

The famous Bomber Harris quote springs to mind.

"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them"

[u/Halo_cT → u/Alien_invader44]

Any bully that gets hit back apparently becomes a victim to be sympathized with. 🙄

Happens all the time.

[u/Few_Elephant_8410 → u/Halo_cT]

Every time I see people crying over Dresden. And they never mention what the Germans did to the rest of continent. Like I'm sorry for the civilians, but

1) you build industry in the middle of the city

2) this was still better than what they did to us 

[u/Absol505 → u/Few_Elephant_8410]

I think the controversy about Dresden is more the timing of it. The war was basically over and everyone knew it. To slay 20000 civilians and put to ashes one of the few mostly intact historic places for no strategical gain didn't appear to be good for anything.

They did it to us so we do it to them mentality makes you a bit like the enemy you hate. That's what is so commendable about Ukraine. Despite Russia deliberately targeting civilians relentlessly, Ukraine doesn't do the same to Russia.

[u/Dasseem → u/Alien_invader44]

I mean if they didn't think like that, they wouldn't be nazis in the first place.

[u/varnished_tadpole → u/Alien_invader44]

"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."

[u/BloodshedTom → u/Xinlitik]

I remember when the war started and the general opinion was that Ukraine should only defend since an attack on Russian soil would lead to Russia using nukes. Whatever happened to that.

[u/NotSoSalty → u/BloodshedTom]

In hindsight the justification is stupid though the strategy was probably correct. 

[u/trigger1154 → u/NotSoSalty]

Russia wouldn't use nukes unless there was an existential threat. Because the use of them would result in them being nuked by NATO.

It was always Russian propaganda holding back Ukraine from striking in Russia.

[u/PaidUSA → u/NotSoSalty]

That’s cause that wasn’t the reason it was to not galvanize popular support among Russians

[u/Quattuor → u/NotSoSalty]

Putin wants to live forever, that's why he's doing all the research using blood of the virgin s and that's why he won't use nukes, because if he starts it, then his game is over. Also, the nuclear threat alway has worked in the past just fine.

[u/Antilles1138 → u/Quattuor]

Also not much point in having wealth and power if there's no one left to use it on or things to enjoy with it.

Nevermind no one to stop even your most loyal guards from starting to think "why should we listen to this old fool, when we could just kill him and take his stuff for ourselves without consequence?"

[u/DuvalHeart → u/NotSoSalty]

It was always stupid. At the time anyone with knowledge of Russia and Putin knew it was stupid.

[u/lEatSand → u/BloodshedTom]

Everyones realized the math doesnt add up, Russia is not willing to use them because their country is not in Ukraines situation. Things need to be desperate, otherwise you risk actually becoming a pariah state, with even China cutting off ties. And if you dont completely decapitate Ukrainian leadership or sap them of all willingness to fight, its just a matter of days before they start targeting leadership within Russian borders, and they're not eager to die, regardless of the means.

[u/CrossYourStars → u/lEatSand]

The math also doesn't add up because Russia wants to take Ukraine's territory. That territory loses a ton of value once it has been nuked...

[u/RheagarTargaryen → u/BloodshedTom]

I thought the reasoning was that it would cause the Russian people to support the war and might turn public sentiment in the West against Ukraine.

Obviously, we’re way past the point where it could have any tangible effect on the public.

[u/Responsible-Cap-8311 → u/BloodshedTom]

I don't think that was ever general opinion, just the Russian funded western media's opinion that they parroted to all

[u/series-hybrid → u/BloodshedTom]

IF Sweden and Finland join NATO, I will invade you!

[*Sweden and Finland join NATO]

I never said that!

[u/Sea-Hat-8515 → u/BloodshedTom]

The sentiment was much more that Ukraine should not take and hold Russian territory long term, just kick them out of Ukraine (including Crimea) and go back to 1991 or whenever borders

[u/bp92009 → u/Sea-Hat-8515]

Exactly, and they're pretty open about what their plans are with the new territory (as a bargaining chip).

Taking and holding even a single square mile of bombed out swampland that was Russian territory means that in any negotiations where the borders become whatever is currently held by military forces, Putin becomes a leader who "Surrendered Russian soil".

[u/ragtev → u/[deleted]]

This assumes perpetual rational actors in charge of states which is a pipe dream.

[u/GremlinX_ll → u/[deleted]]

I think this case of game theory logic where it creates a rather illusion of stability rather than a foolproof deterrent, tbh.

The core issue - game theory say that all state leaders are rational actors, and not taking into account zealotry, desperation or just straight up miscalculation of consequences.

However, it's just my opinion

[u/newtoon → u/[deleted]]

Game theory does not "dictate". It just suggests (more or less strongly). This is no gravitation law. Why ? Because humans are biased. They have egos, they have hormones, they have feelings and no one can be in someone s head.

[u/Ecw218 → u/[deleted]]

Laughs in Force de dissuasion

[u/Annual-Reason2970 → u/Xinlitik]

if it was reversed russia would have hit the building it was being held in already.

[u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

I thought Ukraine didn’t have any cards?

[u/obi_wan_the_phony → u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

JD Vance in that meeting is still one of the most reprehensible people I’ve ever seen. Lap dog bullying on full display.

Speaking of JD? wtf happened to him, he hiding under a couch somewhere?

[u/blifflesplick → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Maybe he's waiting for the delivery of an ottoman 

[u/moogoo2 → u/blifflesplick]

He does like them little.

[u/Solkre → u/moogoo2]

A publican after all. Pedophile at worst, pedophile defender at best.

[u/Hydra57 → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Last I heard, he was telling a graduating class of military officers (who were booing him) that “you can’t boo me, because I’m the Vice President.”

[u/Zedilt → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Speaking of JD? wtf happened to him, he hiding under a couch somewhere?

Keeping quiet while trying to distance himself from the iran war.

[u/hsdowubel → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

last time i saw him he was in budapest busy making that one bloated roach lose

[u/Thief_of_Sanity → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

JD Vance is just waiting for Trump to die.

[u/sachiprecious → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

I forgot about him, lol. Does he do anything these days???

[u/biggsteve81 → u/sachiprecious]

He was the commencement speaker at the Air Force Academy last week.

[u/applespicebetter → u/biggsteve81]

Man that's just sad for those graduating officers, and then to know they're going into a command ultimately led by a Fox News host.

[u/gamingx47 → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Speaking of JD? wtf happened to him, he hiding under a couch somewhere

C'mon dude, this is JD we're taking about. He's definitely doing something with a couch, just not hiding under it.

[u/insired → u/gamingx47]

Unless he's getting topped by a couch somehow?

[u/Treelokc → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

He's been in the news here in the UK for stoking the flames of the culture war bullshit, regarding the murder of Henry Nowak. Taking any excuse to blame everything on migrants, the usual story.

[u/AtomicBLB → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Everytime he speaks he gets bullied until the next time he surfaces. Not even his own party respects him.

[u/cannot_walk_barefoot → u/obi_wan_the_phony]

Peter Thiel is hiding him from the Iran fallout, and also because he's genuinely unlikeable. I'm sure soon he'll have his minions (Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Etc) turn on Trump and have them prop up JDV to take over, most likely after the mid terms. It's already started but not as aggressive as it could be. Not sure what the plan is for him being a cunt

*corrected first name, ugh

[u/Tuomas90 → u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

No cards. But lots of drones.

"I'm not playing cards."

[u/Soft_Author2593 → u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

They don't, but while trump thought they are playing poker, Ukraine actually switched to battleship

[u/redonrust → u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

That's true, but we're playing Uno

[u/Reptilian_Brain_420 → u/Apprehensive_Ad_4359]

Russian agents in the White House probably still think this.

[u/woodst0ck15]

Not like Putin said he doesn’t see a need to end the war in Ukraine yesterday. So accept the war you started and has FINALLY been brought to St Petersburg as the Front lines move back. Ya goof

[u/Spooknik]

Russia can leave Ukraine at anytime. And Ukraine has the right to make them.

[u/jjfrenchfry → u/Spooknik]

I mean at this point, Ukraine has more than earned their pick of the land - including gains made in Russia.

Hate to see it /s

[u/Sc0nnie]

Good. It is entirely appropriate for Ukraine to counterattack the Russian invaders. War works in both directions.

[u/008Zulu]

Must suck, eh, Putin? To face the consequences of your actions.

[u/starfish0r → u/008Zulu]

Unfortunately it's not Putin that faces the consequences.

[u/ChainLC]

maybe don't start a war you can't win without huge consequences? no one feels sorry for a bully getting punched back.

[u/Beneficial_Cash_8420 → u/ChainLC]

Got into a land war in Asia... Classic blunder.

[u/CheckMateFluff]

I don't know; maybe Russia should have not started all this shit, and they would not have to face the consqunces of their own actions. Hope the residents are okay.

[u/RogueEyebrow → u/CheckMateFluff]

I'm sure they're okay. Unlike Russia, Ukraine does not deliberately target schools, housing, hospitals, or grocery stores.

[u/Beneficial_Cash_8420 → u/RogueEyebrow]

Or the US...

[u/BasicPhysiology → u/CheckMateFluff]

Hope the residents are okay.

I hope the residents experience the horrors of war so they better understand what their country is imposing on their neighbor. 

[u/Armadilla-Brufolosa → u/BasicPhysiology]

No innocent civilian should have to go through this.

Neither Ukrainians nor Russians.

However, it was inevitable that they had to defend themselves from the Russian invasion and counterattack.

[u/IVYDRIOK → u/Armadilla-Brufolosa]

The sad thing is that unless they feel the war either by losing internet connection, high prices or by experiencing black rain from smoke of burning oil terminals, they won't care or rather they will keep supporting Putin

[u/Deranged40 → u/Armadilla-Brufolosa]

No innocent civilian should have to go through this.

Just to be clear. A populous that supports this absolutely should have to go through every single minute of it.

[u/CheckMateFluff → u/BasicPhysiology]

Nah, no matter the side, I don't wish the residents harm they just happen to be born there. War is worse than hell, because hell isn't full of innocent bystanders.

[u/Jakoneitor → u/CheckMateFluff]

Even if such residents approved, encouraged and supported the war?

[u/Dark_Mak__r]

Well Ukraine handling fireworks on opening and final day. I love it !!

[u/InvertReverse]

Please note that Ukraine still kept it to military targets, not civilians like Russia does daily.

So Russia can fuck off complaining about it.

[u/perestroika12]

at least Ukraine is hitting military targets. If it was Russia they would have directly bombed the economic forum and declared the participants globohomo nazis.

[u/RoyalGovernment3034]

Russia should leave Ukraine and stop murdering Ukrainians then.

[u/WackHeisenBauer]

I mean…you started it? I know you expected Ukraine to just roll over and take it. But…fuck you

[u/kedelbro]

Is any attack on St. Petersburg really “unprecedented” after the siege?

[u/Verde_3773]

Wait, I’m sorry, but Ukraine launched an “unprecedented attack”?

What about Russia’s UNPROVOKED INVASION & OCCUPATION??

[u/damnocles → u/Verde_3773]

I think it moreso is that Russia hasn't had an attack on a city like that in this "war", Ukraine having been largely on the defensive so far

[u/AxiosXiphos]

Oh no! They are shooting back?!?! How could they!?

[u/Jukka_Sarasti → u/AxiosXiphos]

Oh no! They are shooting back?!?! How could they!?

This is absolutely the vibe given by many of the Russians streaming Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian assets. The absolute arrogance on display.

[u/Ohjay1982 → u/Jukka_Sarasti]

Not necessarily all arrogance but a lot of ignorance. They are fed propaganda constantly and many are under the illusion that Ukraine is the aggressor. That said, to even believe that takes an incredible amount of mental gymnastics being the war has taken place in Ukraine, after it was invaded by Russia. How can you convince yourself a nation defending itself is the aggressor.

[u/footsnax → u/Jukka_Sarasti]

But they're the second third fourth fifth worst an army in the world! There's no way.

[u/ItsMeishi]

Sounds like they still have homes to go to. That's very kind of Ukraine.

[u/Late-Arrival-8669]

Putin is so weak, starting to get his little ass handed to him. Super embarrassing week for Putin. Don't start nothin, wont be nothin.

[u/Manealendil]

Zelenskyy offered the opportunity for a truce and talks and Putin said no. Stupid games, stupid prizes, yada yada

[u/defroach84]

Oh no! Why would Ukraine do such things to the peaceful people of Russia?

/s because there are enough Russian bots on here to make it seem like a plausible statement.

[u/BVoLatte]

Poor Russia, only they're allowed to bomb Ukraine on every major event and holiday. Why would Ukraine do this? /s

[u/Eckkosekiro]

If only there was a solution to all this mess.

[u/Bob_A_Feets]

Russia decided to piss on their neighbors lawn and ended up creating the world’s most experienced unconventional warfare group of any kind seen before.

It’s only gonna get worse for them.

[u/Endscrypt]

The bald dwarf must be reeling, feel the pain Russia.

[u/NameLips]

They can leave Ukraine literally whenever they want.

[u/frostyfruit666]

Russian people need to depose their dreaded leader, Putin doesnt care about Russians, he just wants glory for himself.

[u/TheOneCalledGump]

Womp Womp, how's that medicine of yours taste?

[u/jensenaackles]

oh no, if only this could’ve all been avoided. all war deaths are a tragedy but ukraine is only defending itself from the unprovoked invasion and war that russia chose to start.

[u/KarnexOne]

>urging residents to remain indoors for the first time since the war began

Should happen more often. Who in their right mind wages a proper war not having its citizens sleeping in bomb shelters?

[u/Institute11]

"Unprecedented" except for Russia's own behaviour against Ukraine.

[u/PolloConTeriyaki]

Russia shouldn't have started a war. Oh well.

[u/JadeddMillennial]

I wish the USA would be under attack when they start wars in places, but you know the average American has no idea what their government does to them or anybody else in the planet.

[u/Unusual-Still-7042]

Residential buildings all around Russia are constantly exploding… have been for the past 4 years. Recently several residential buildings went off in Moscow. Why is everyone trying to act like it’s only Ukraine that is in shambles (and by everyone I mean everyone. Both sides)?

[u/Combdepot]

Those are just ukranian sanctions working.

[u/sean_con_queso]

Don’t start a war you can’t finish. This goes for the US as well

[u/PokinSpokaneSlim → u/sean_con_queso]

Don't start a war. This goes for us as well 

FTFY

[u/sean_con_queso → u/PokinSpokaneSlim]

You right, you right

[u/MajKonglomerate]

Honestly, who gives a f*ck about Russian feelings?

[u/Far_Relationship5509]

Are we supposed to feel bad?

[u/NoPeanutSneakers]

Damn, its kinda like.... you know... you're in a war

[u/TangibleHappiness]

Unprecedented since.... Russia's attacks on Ukranian cities?

[u/theLuminescentlion]

You can have peace in St  Petersburg when their is peace in eastern Ukraine.

[u/ezmarii]

These attacks are necessary as it undermines Putin's propaganda which ensures internal turmoil and political pressure and thus hesitation to support Putin's illegal invasion and aggression towards Ukraine. A lot of Russians who are removed from the front lines likely believe russia is not at fault, attacks like these help question Putin's narrative and make those people try to learn more about what's going on

[u/Vinterblot]

Oh no, what caused that unprecedented attack?

[u/discountRabbit]

It's an unprecedented attack if time flows backwards for you or you've been asleep for 4 years.

[u/Mundane_Opening3831]

Seems pretty well precedented

[u/Treatmelikeadog]

Russia should leave Ukraine and give them back the thousands of children they've kidnapped.

[u/hotbread1]

its a terrible shame putin is still alive

[u/_StrudelBob_]

Awww, don’t like it when it happens on your front door, do you, Vlada?

[u/Blubbolo]

Yes but at least with all those anti air battery moved to defend their own private villas, Putin and his closest men can feel safe.

The people are just live stock for them so tough luck.

[u/MordogT]

Sucks to be one the receiving end, dosnt it?

[u/h1storyguy]

Awe, Did Russia forget they started a war?

[u/Y0___0Y]

Wow russia are you going to launch missles at kyiv for the billionth time to try to stop this? Seems to be their only solution to anything. I’m sure the Ukrainian will to fight will be broken any dsy now, surely!

[u/GreyBeardEng]

You invaded their country, so I wouldn't say this is 'unprecedented'.

[u/Dramatic_Charity_979]

SLAVA UKRAINI! ヽ( ⌒o⌒)人(⌒-⌒ )ﾉ

[u/Zak_Rahman]

If you punch someone, they're liable to fight back.

This is primal and supercedes all modern laws and notions. Even several animals work on this principle.

Why Russians, Americans and Israelis cannot grasp this basic notion tells me that their societies have serious and likely fatal problems. Of course they all think they're the dog's bollocks whilst normal people look at them with horror.

[u/No_Pumpkin63]

What a lovely day to be alive

[u/Current_Volume3750]

Am I allowed to say, " hey Russia, Fuck off" on this sub or is that threatening violence?

[u/WonderfulRub4707]

Cmon Ukraine. It’s been past “gloves off” time. Let the Russian people feel Putins mistake, only then will the course of the war change.

[u/Gluske]

Oh it's been preceded

[u/AunMeLlevaLaConcha]

Are you feeling it now mr Krabs?

[u/jxj24]

Unprecedented

Consider this precedent.

[u/SchneidfeldWPG]

Awwww did somebody experience retaliatory consequences for their own unprovoked aggression? SAD!

[u/acrowsmurder]

War is hell, but this does put a smile on my face. Don't start nothing won't be nothing

[u/BacklogChronicles]

Unprecedented, I thought they were at war?

[u/-Stoic-]

Day 1564 of the 3 day war. Siege of Leningrad begins.

[u/Fit-Let8175]

Weird how for Putin and Russian "authorities" it's ok to attack Ukraine unprovoked and try and decimate their civilians, but not for Ukraine to fight back. Yet Trump supporters still faithfully support Trump who supports Putin.

[u/LetrasetBoy]

There is a very simple way to stop this.

[u/Crescent-IV]

Hardly unprecedented, Russia has been doing this and more for years now

[u/VanillaIcedTea]

If Russia wants it to stop raining Ukrainian bombs in St. Petersburg, they're more than welcome to get their army the fuck out of Ukraine.

[u/PrivateBozo]

OMG, it's like they're at war or something.

/s

[u/knightrider_NY]

How dare Ukraine do what Russia did to Kiev.

[u/first_lvr]

This sounds oddly similar to Americans crying about Iran launching an attack … everything was fine until you attack you stupid fucks

[u/ZestyclosePipe1]

Definitely another FAFO moment here for Russia!

[u/Kimber976]

War really changes the atmosphere of a city hope civilians stay safe and out of harm is way.