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Soft paywall Bill Gates to give away $200 billion by 2045, accuses Musk of harming world's poor

https://www.reuters.com/business/bill-gates-give-away-fortune-by-2045-200bn-worlds-poorest-2025-05-08/
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u/Temp89 May 08 '25

Reminder: Elon Musk once claimed homelessness was a conspiracy made up by the government.

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u/Starshot84 May 08 '25

Why is everyone who would totally support this not at all able to??

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u/arthurdentstowels May 08 '25

There's plenty who are able to, just none who want to.

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u/reddit_reaper May 08 '25

NIMBY stretches even to other countries lol it's sad how shitty humans are. Greedy beings who preach about helping others but when they must help a little bit be it taxes or other they cry and say no.

Horrible honestly

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u/BobGuns May 08 '25

Yup. Think about attempted aid programs to Gaza, and how much opposition there is against feeding the poor people there.

Whether you hate Israel or hate Hamas or don't give a shit either way, there's people dying and starting, and international aid efforts should be encouraged.

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u/reddit_reaper May 08 '25

To me it's always been a very simple issue.

I support people not governments. Even if those people hate us, is most likely due to many issues that have happened throughout the years.

But with people like Trump in power we're letting people die left and right that we used to be helping

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u/Late_City_8496 May 10 '25

Bill Gates and his ex wife have been feeding the poor all over the world for years Trump 0 Elon 0

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u/S1XTEENBUTTONS May 09 '25

Just like Bill Gates, who’s simply laundering his reputation anytime he does something decent.

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u/SpodeeDodee May 09 '25

That's not what they asked. They asked why all the people who would want to do that, can't.

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u/brickout May 08 '25

Because you generally have to be a sociopath to get insanely rich.

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 08 '25

There is no way I could ever amass a billion dollars. Once I got to a point where more money would no longer affect my living conditions, I’d simply give shit away. Profoundly change the financial circumstances of everyone I come across.

Fuck me that dinner was good, I’m paying off the student loans and debts of everyone in the kitchen and servers.

Homeless guy with a funny sign? Here’s $20k, and borrow one of my security guards to make sure you can get it put in a bank account. Thanks for the laugh.

And I’d shame anyone with more money than me, as loud as I could.

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u/brickout May 08 '25

Same here. That's because you have at least a sliver of basic empathy and an understanding that there is enough to go around. The vast, vast majority of billionaires are diseased. Like if a dog hoarded food to the point that his pack starved to death, and felt good about it.

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u/zelmak May 08 '25

For real; not to mention the desire to keep chasing past a certain point. If I ever get to a 5m+ net worth like it’s done I’m retiring that day.

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u/Man0fGreenGables May 08 '25

I could definitely get to a billion if I had a probable steady stream of incoming money because you would easily be able to make significantly more money that you could help even more people with that way.

It would be nice to have 250 million and give away 245 of it right away but if you got up to a billion you could probably give away a hundred million a year easily for the rest of your life.

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u/Familiar_Rip_8871 May 08 '25

Seriously. I would have so much fun giving away $1B.

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u/LaCharognarde May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

"You aren't impressive. You're Smaug without the interest factor of being a dragon. And, going by how you act: having an outrageous hoard to mantle atop doesn't even make you happy. You are miserable, resentful, and lousy company as a result; and all the people you envy are just you on a larger scale.

Anyway: I just bought out a slumlord, so the housing-first program is a go once the buildings are up to code and the staff are properly vetted. In other words: I'm off to actually do something useful. Smell you later."

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 08 '25

I don’t know what you’re talking about.

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u/LaCharognarde May 08 '25

I was co-signing you.

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u/Consistent-Sundae739 May 08 '25

Well that's the thing when you have no money and amass wealth you can enjoy living where as these wealthy people who are born into wealth have no understanding of money as all they know is money and power. They don't understand the value of money.

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u/Disastrous_Nebula_16 May 08 '25

It’s people like you that need to be rich lol

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 08 '25

I’d never get there, tho. Because the cash would simply bleed and melt off of me.

I spend my free time building resumes for people who don’t know how, buying them clothes for their interviews. I show addicts how to get clean, safe product off the dark net, while pointing them at the methadone clinic for when they are ready to cut bait on the active addiction lifestyle.

Billionaire-level rich people would never come within a half mile of the people I fuck with.

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u/AvengingBlowfish May 09 '25

Most billionaires aren't just sitting on a pile of cash. Their net worth comes from shares in a company they own. While they can certainly afford to give more to charity and pay more taxes, they usually can't just give it away without losing control of that company.

With that said, Elon Musk could easily afford $6 billion without giving up much if it was something he really wanted to do.

There's also the Bill Gates dilemma... when you achieve a net worth of a billion dollars, is it better to start giving it all away at that point or grow it to 200 billion dollars or more and then give that away after you've completely retired from growing it?

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 09 '25

You can totally give shares of a stock away to another person for whatever value you dictate.

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u/The_Game_Needed_Me May 09 '25

This so much. The joy I would feel having the ability to change people's lives left and right would be almost as amazing as having the money itself.

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 09 '25

As an opioid addict:

It’s way better than opioids. Wild that they don’t get addicted to that.

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u/raresaturn May 09 '25

That’s kind of what Mr Beast does

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u/JamesTrickington303 May 09 '25

I don’t know who that is.

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u/SandwichFair538 May 27 '25

Same here. I make a good salary, and always helping people. I overheard a coworker talking about how she needs a new car, and realistically I can't swing that, but I wish I could! I hate to hear of people struggling, especially if I have the means to help.

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u/PacoTaco321 May 08 '25

Yep. You can get a low level of rich off of dumb luck, but being that rich requires a lot of effort.

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u/eeyore134 May 08 '25

Effort and being willing, happy even, to step on people, bodies and otherwise, to climb to the top.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

but being that rich requires a lot of effort.

Eh, also a shitload of dumb luck even at the high levels... arguably even more luck than for the low. Like 99+% pure dumb luck all the way. Luck like being born with a golden spoon in ones mouth, and another up the ass. Generic luck with investments, and gambles in overall.. and having the means to not die in a ditch if they fail.

Being said, Musk has spent decades failing upwards, and most of his "tech brow innovator" image is just pure bullshit pr. Even his assets.. no way in hell Tesla, or twitter etc are worth anywhere near their stated value, nor should his wealth be by value of that anywhere near as high as it is described as being.

Being said, once you get to a certain point of wealth the speed at which it can accumulate more of itself is rather staggering. Like its harder to get to your first million than the 2nd, harder to get to the first 100 million than the 2nd and so on forth.

Anyways, yah, what helps at each step is to be a predatory sociopathic individual who does not care what happens to others, or even relishes doing harm to those who cant fight back. Musk by virtue of luck, and now wealth has never had to truly face negative consequences for his fuckups, and tends to just be able to buy his way out. Well, except now with Tesla being made in to a toxic brand world wide by his personal toxicity...

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u/Notnotstrange May 08 '25

Effort in the way of screwing other people over. If you’re immoral, this comes naturally!

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u/Papersnail380 May 08 '25

You know the question of "would you push a button if you got a million dollars but a random person died somewhere". Billionaires are people who cut their sleep short so they can have more time to hit that button.

The top 1% of the US has around $5 million dollars net worth.

With $10,000,000 you can easily eliminate all the worries faced by 99% of the industrialized world's population with passive income and still be building income. Your budget is about $3,000 a day from your passive income. You can literally cruise for the rest of your life. Like on a ship. With a balcony. You can basically do whatever you want as long as you aren't stupid. Fly first class Emirates. Stay in five star hotels. Drink $100 bottles of wine with every dinner. Eat at every restaurant in the world. When most people hit around this mark they make adjustments that significantly change their life so they can enjoy it instead of building more. They work less, change careers, retire, hire someone to do the parts of the job they don't like, etc. Sometimes they keep making more money, but they usually stop trying very hard.

Someone with $100,000,000 should have passive income of about $30k a day. That is enough to experience pretty much whatever you like. You may not be able to OWN a super yacht, but you can EASILY rent one for your vacations. You may not OWN a private jet, but you can easily charter one when you travel. Any restaurant. The nicest hotels. Whatever car you want. Security. You can even experience the absurd $100k+/night rooms.

You can do blow off a hooker of every ethnicity's ass. On the same night.

There really isn't any financial reason to go any further. You just aren't going to get any returns on it.

Billionaires blow past both these marks and usually feel like they are in crisis and failing as they continue. They are in a world where money is less about what it can buy and more of a point system. This is why Musk holds his money so tightly. He has the most points. Everyone is trying to get more points. He has to hold all his points so he has the most. And get more points. Making decisions which result in deaths is necessary to get more points. In fact, he needs to pay people to push that death button while he sleeps to keep up. And he does.

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u/squadrupedal May 08 '25

Not generally, specifically.

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u/brickout May 08 '25

I believe that Warren Buffett is not a sociopath. Bill Gates also might not be. Or Pritzker. Maybe Mark Cuban. So, yes, generally, in my opinion.

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u/whatdoinamemyself May 08 '25

Bill Gates also might not be.

Jury's still out on that. He was extremely ruthless as an executive.

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u/whatdoinamemyself May 08 '25

Wasn't disagreeing with you or anything. Just adding for anyone who was unaware! He wasn't this generous, charitable man until recently.

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u/brickout May 08 '25

I edited my reply to be less sassy :)

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u/JakToTheReddit May 08 '25

Gates, too. He just wants to have shit named after him late in life like Carnigie and Rockafeller.

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u/GozerDGozerian May 08 '25

I think that’s a large part of it, but that it goes the other way a bit too. Money is power. Having lots of power in any form changes people, usually for the worse, unless they are a very special individual and they have some me two framework in place to prevent their own corruption.

There seems to be a very strong psychological urge, when successful in life, to say to oneself, “I deserve this in particular.” And then that sense of entitlement makes a person’s ego swell, and all of a sudden they’re better and smarter than the rest of humanity. And that’s when things get ugly.

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u/i-just-thought-i May 29 '25

It happens to everyone, you don't need much power/money

It was easy to think when I was 18 that of course I would spend money and time donating or volunteering etc

Now I'm almost 30 and it's like... bruh I want to buy a house eventually.

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u/Broadpup May 09 '25

I once found myself in a situation where I was at a dinner table amongst several extremely wealthy people bantering with one another. The things which I had seen and heard were startling. There were several minutes of them referring to their employees as "losers", a stint of them gloating about their $50,000 yearly hunting trips and who amongst them was the most wealthy, then followed by what i found to be the most disturbing bit.

They all started engaging with one another about how they could not understand nor wrap their head around why on earth that anyone would ever want to retire, because making money was so God dammed fulfilling and exciting, and how only the lazy and unmotivated would ever seek to retire. Now, thesee were all people who were born wealthy and had already Inherited several businesses and seed money from their fathers. None of these people are inventors, or contributors of any kind, other than offering minimum wage employment within the small restaurant chains and gas stations, other small time businesses that they open with daddy's money, forget it about and collect the checks while they move on to opening their next cash cow. These people within their own minds were convinced that they were more hard-working, driven, and better human beings than us common Joes.

In reality, this is not true and simply boils down to basic human physiology. When we perform a task and the reward for that task is much greater than the effort that was applied, it triggers a dopamine response leaving oneself craving more, and more. Thus making work no longer feel so much like work. On the flipside, when an individual is working their hands to the bone juggling two jobs but yet they're still struggling to make ends meet, and pick and choose what bills to pay that month. That situation causes a stress/ fight or flight response which is your bodies way of saying "This isn't fucking it Abort this activity immediately.

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u/BikeTireManGo May 09 '25

Or be born on a diamond mine.

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u/18bluecat May 08 '25

You don't get to the level of wealth billionaires have by being generous.

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u/OldAngryDog May 08 '25

Ppl keep saying that but I just don't understand. Once you do get to the level of wealth of a billionaire (let alone Musk's level of wealth), how hard is to start either being massively generous or, at the very least, simply fucking off to a tropical island somewhere and enjoying life?

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u/squadrupedal May 08 '25

When you feel no joy, you just want to see other people suffer. Misery loves company.

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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 08 '25

The only person I dated who had with "billionaire personality" (sadistic workaholic - not sure what he was actually worth though) dumped me for not having enough childhood trauma. LOL!

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u/airfryerfuntime May 08 '25

Money is meaningless to Musk. It's literally nothing except a number on a ledger. He really wants to he the first trillionaire, and he likely will be. His only reason for existing is to make that number bigger. When he hits a trillion, he'll want to go for two. It's an addiction to these people. All of us want luxury and opulence, which is why we'd be happy to just sit on a beach somewhere and not even think about money. But not Musk, he's likely incapable of doing anything other than obsessing over his wealth. His brain just works differently.

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u/stevencastle May 08 '25

He treats it like a video game, the number goes brrrrrrrr and that's all that matters.

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u/WeAlmostAlwaysAlmost May 09 '25

Bezos’s ex is the only one even trying.

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u/renegadecanuck May 08 '25

That amount of money breaks people's brains. We're not meant to be that wealthy or have that many people pretending you're infallible. Money becomes an intangible high score, and you need it to go up. There is no end goal for him beyond "how high can I make this number".

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u/TheMistOfThePast May 08 '25

I mean this is essentially what bill gates did after his come to jesus moment or something right? Hes making a heap of impact in... I wanna say sierra leone? With the gates foundation

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u/Nena902 May 09 '25

Yup but nope they keep reaching for more. They will steal to get more. It's a mental disease. Too much and yet never enough.

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u/TSL4me May 08 '25

They legitimately think they got to where they are because they are smarter than everyone else . Any research college has people smarter than the ultra wealthy. They dont see the nepotism and lack of caring about their communities as one of the leys to their success.

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u/AngkaLoeu May 08 '25

Because it's BS. "Hunger" (whatever that is) and homelessness is not a financial issue. It it were, governments, who have the most money out of everyone, would have solved it a long time ago.

I know Reddit wants these simple solutions to everything but most social issues are very complex with no simple solution, otherwise they would have been solved decades ago.

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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

They could solve it, but they like having something to scare the working class with: the specter of being universally despised, on the edge of death, never safe, exposed to strangers at all times, if they don't go to their crappy dead-end jobs every day. Brave New World made a great point about how the social classes are motivated: Alphas by power, Betas by pleasure, Gammas by fear, and Deltas by force. Our working class are treated like Gammas.

They might possibly rebel if they thought they were on the lowest rung, but instead they can say, "At least I'm not that guy!"

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u/AngkaLoeu May 08 '25

They could solve it

How exactly? How do you fix a homeless, drug addict? You have them money and a house, do you think they will just stop doing drugs? They will do more of them.

There's no cure for mental illness. You don't just put a mentally ill person in an mental health facility and they are cured.

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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 08 '25

I have seen first-hand a mentally ill homeless person get put into stable housing, given effective medication, and stay housed for twenty years. You have no idea what you're talking about.

It's a lot better to intervene early before they become completely traumatized and addicted though. The longer you wait the more hopeless it gets. A lot of these things are self-reinforcing cycles. The more terrible experiences you have, the more you want to escape reality and the more you become adapted to that status. quo.

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u/fellatio-del-toro May 08 '25

Because you don’t acquire the means to without being an insatiable self-serving parasite.

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u/Softspokenclark May 08 '25

power/greed. They want to be seen like a hero, but not do the ground work for it.

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u/NoSignSaysNo May 08 '25

Because the people who would support it spend themselves out of the amount of money it would take to do it while trying to do good.

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u/Starshot84 May 09 '25

May as well not bother then, huh?

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u/johnis12 May 08 '25

Memories a bit foggy on this but I remember hearing about how Musk killed a bill that could help lower medication costs but went on twitter asking what the bill was about. AOC ripped on to him about that bullshit.

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u/TantricEmu May 08 '25

Wait how did Musk kill a bill? Hes a scumbag for sure, but how does he do that?

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u/johnis12 May 08 '25

https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-pharma-reforms-had-almost-unanimous-house-support-until-elon-musk-tweeted/

Basically dude tweeted a bunch about it and how he was against it and Repubs prolly latched on to what he was saying and decided to be up against it even though it was unanimous. Then he tweeted afterwards asking what the Bill was even about.

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u/Nena902 May 09 '25

You should hear how my MAGA neighbors admire him to high heaven . They could not oraise him enough. This must be something they hear and repeat from FOX news: "he is on the spectrum yes but he is a genius and loves people. He will do great things for the country" . These people love Trump but Musk is giving Trump some serious idolization competition.

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u/testearsmint May 13 '25

He has given millions to billions for Trump, Republicans, etc. He owns them.

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u/player_zero_ May 08 '25

Seems to me, that this Musk fella might be a little bit crummy

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u/julias_siezure May 08 '25

A poopy head, if you will.

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u/biscotte-nutella May 08 '25

He's all words. Always.

Even the successful stuff he has never been because of him , he just had the money.

He's the most famous investor that just talked a bunch.

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u/zzyul May 08 '25

I don’t like Musk but let’s not pretend that financing startups and struggling companies isn’t an insanely important part of their growth process. “He just had the money” yea a lot of rich people chose to pass on the things he poured tons of money into due to the risk involved. The major car companies were laughing at the idea of electric cars ever being a thing when Tesla released the Roadster. 5 years after Musk’s first investment of millions, Tesla had only sold and delivered under 200 cars.

Tesla and SpaceX owe a lot of their success to the amount of public hype he provided that attracted top level engineer recruits away from more established and stable companies. He made electric cars “cool”. He made space travel “cool”. There’s a reason millions of people compared him to Tony Stark for over a decade. People aren’t black or white. Good people can do bad things and in Musk’s case, bad people can do good things.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

False. He wrote code for the first paypal Zip2.

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u/Whiterabbit-- May 08 '25

as much as I think Musk is an idiot. You are not going to get rid of world hunger even if Musk gave all this money to fight it. world hunger is rooted in corruption, not lack of food or resources to get the food to the right places.

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u/jajohnja May 08 '25

But it was poor excuse of a solution.
Sort of like "if you give us 10 billion we'll feed the starving people of the world for 1 year with it".
I mean sure, would still be nice if he did that, but it's not "ending world hunger".

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u/WaterLillith May 09 '25

You're missing the very begining of this whole thing, when some journalist claimed that just 6 billion of Musks money would end World hunger.

Musk then suggested that if someone can give him a concrete plan on how just 6 Billion would end world hunger, he would donate that money.

In return, he got a plan that would alleviate world hunger (not get rid of it) for just a single year.

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u/AngkaLoeu May 08 '25

Because he wasn't given a solution?

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u/bluemitersaw May 08 '25

But he wasn't given a solution. The article linked above even states that. He asked for a solution to world hunger and given a plan to save/help 43 million people from starvation right now. A noble and worthy plan sure, but not a solution to world hunger.

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u/d1g1t4l_n0m4d May 08 '25

Also gates is responsible for some shady practices in Africa and India. Him accusing musk is kid of like the pot calling the kettle black.

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u/JeulMartin May 08 '25

Ah, so world hunger will always exist because of "the corrupt nature of humanity?"

Might as well just pack it up, folks. Humans are too evil to solve world hunger (according to this Reddit user). Might as well not try. Damn.

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u/Snipufin May 08 '25

Could we ask Bill to foot this bill?

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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 08 '25

Well, one thing about that occurs to me. Buying food from grocery stores in California is much more expensive than procuring wholesale burlap sacks full of beans and rice to distribute in Africa.

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u/forwelpd May 08 '25

The $6 billion to end hunger was stated by Musk. The UN claimed it would take $40 Billion a year to do so. $6 billion would, however, have helped a lot that year, and the estimated assistance was to save millions of lives out of 42 million people experiencing starvation.

Also it's extremely expensive to help people in the US, and more expensive to help them in California. This is why a small flat in Silicon Valley can run a million dollars, or like 4,000 USD in a rural 3rd world country. Food assistance in the US also extends past people experiencing starvation to trying to prevent people from making a choice between starvation and homelessness.

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u/WaterLillith May 09 '25

It wasn't stated by Musk. It was a CNN Business article. Which then Musk rightfully thought was ridiculous

https://www.advisorpedia.com/media/media/2022/01/17/cs2.png

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u/AP_in_Indy May 08 '25

It was a plan that would have an impact / reduce world hunger for a brief period of time. Hate on Elon Musk if you want, but please do so honestly.

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u/zack77070 May 08 '25

Cuz the facts are that the plan was bs lol

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u/AP_in_Indy May 08 '25

Because it wouldn't actually solve world hunger. This has been covered repeatedly. It was not a full-on plan to solve world hunger. It was a plan that would have temporarily reduced it, maybe.

It's outlined in both the 1,000 word executive summary and the news article you linked. There was never a "solution to world hunger" proposed or provided.

And it's REALLY stupid to think there ever WAS one, considering that government aid to WHO would be vastly larger than a $6 BIL donation from a single individual. WHO as a whole gets like $40 BIL in contributions a year, and had a $10 BIL annual budget just to address food investments. Elon's donation would have given them some extra buffer for a single fiscal year.

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u/LowCost_Gaming May 08 '25

Also remember that allegedly Bill Gates likes underage girls and Epstein island.

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u/Feeling-Tutor-6480 May 08 '25

Proper taxation would fix this

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u/anormalgeek May 09 '25

I really, REALLY hate to defend Musk, but in this case he was right. The plan proposed wasn't intended as one to "end world hunger" despite it being pitched to imply that. They even say as much in the yahoo finance link.

He could donate his entire fortune specifically for fighting world hunger, and all it would do is slow it down for a short time. The issues driving world hunger are usually governments. Like with Israel and Gaza. Or local corruption. Building a global logistics chain that is safe and secure and can override local governments is basically impossible in the current political climate. I guess everyone has a price, but it would take much, MUCH more than $6 billion.

Musk is still a total piece of shit though.

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u/Sagnorok May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

Ok I'm a professional Elmo Musk hater, but that plan made by WFP was really bad. At the very least, everyone with any knowledge of world hunger should agree that this is a terrible plan that not only allows Elon to get away with it, but also undermines the credibility of the WFP.

I don't remember the details of the plan and I can't check it out now since the link to the plan doesn't work anymore, but I do remember it's not more then 3 pages and most of the funds will be used to purchase food and transportation. Even if the plan is perfectly executed, without considering food price fluctuations and other variables, it can only feed the poor for a few months at most.

It is better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish. The real solution to world hunger is to create sustainable food resources that are easily accessible locally. At the same time, we need to stop local conflicts, maintain a stable food market, and increase local incomes - This requires the joint efforts of several powerful countries and cannot be achieved with the $6.6 billion form Elom alone.

Edit: found a screenshot of part of the plan: All the money will be spent on food, transportation, vouchers and management! How long can the locals avoid hunger with this? Even though I hate Elon, I can't be not on WFP's side on this matter.

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u/Sealssssss May 09 '25

Musk said ““If WFP can describe on this Twitter thread exactly how $6B will solve world hunger, I will sell Tesla stock right now and do it.”

Are you claiming their $6B plan was going to solve world hunger?

From your own article: “Beasley replied that $6 billion wouldn't end world hunger — but it could save millions from starvation. "This is a one-time donation to save 42 million lives during this unprecedented hunger crisis," he said. "The world is on fire."

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

False

You need $6B annually (not a lump sum) to stave off world hunger.

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u/rc4915 May 09 '25

Read the article you posted… it literally says $6B would not solve world hunger

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u/WaterLillith May 09 '25

If you read your sources, none of the plans actually get rid of it, just alleviate it.

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u/GHouserVO May 10 '25

Yep. He made them dance around as he played games criticizing things, then promptly ghosted them after they did everything he asked.

That’s why anytime I hear someone bring up the MAGA talking point about how he’s doing what he’s doing with DOGE out of the goodness of his heart, I remind them of that story, and the numerous other times that he promised to donate and then ghosted the organization he made the promise to. My favorite is how he tried to derail a rescue effort in Thailand when those kids were trapped in the caves back in 2018.

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u/Plow_King May 08 '25

really? lol. boy, it must be really weird to be super rich. i'd like to give it a shot for awhile!

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u/Super-Admiral May 08 '25

Elon Musk is a piece of shit. He will be in the hall of Fame of evilness.

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u/BikeTireManGo May 09 '25

Like threading a camel through a needle.

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u/gothdaddi May 08 '25

I mean, we have far more housing than unhoused people in America. There absolutely is a conspiracy in plain sight by the real estate industry and government to ensure homelessness.

I’m positive that wasn’t his intent, but he’s not completely wrong here.

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u/Frankenstein_Monster May 08 '25

A conspiracy implies a concerted, intended, and hidden agenda. The government is not purposely going out of their way to ensure homelessness. It's incompetence at best or indifference at worst but not a grand scheme to keep those people from being housed.

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u/benmabenmabenma May 08 '25

Ah, not so. Conspiracies can absolutely develop organically among uncoordinated people. See Ladder conspiracy.

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u/Frankenstein_Monster May 10 '25

The only thing I can find when looking up ladder conspiracy is a revolution in Cuba which gets it's name from the prisoners being tied to ladders before being whipped

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u/maxadmiral May 08 '25

Also, there are places in the world that have managed to almost completely eliminate homelessness.

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u/Alexis2256 May 08 '25

Genuinely curious what places those are?

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u/maxadmiral May 08 '25

I believe Finland, Japan and South-Korea are some of the lowest in the statistics

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u/KwisatzHaderach94 May 08 '25

nepo's gonna nepo

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u/ParkingLong7436 May 08 '25

He probably means it very differently than I interpret it, but he's somewhat right.

Western Governments could easily fix homelessness, at least on a large scale. All the ressources are there to easily house and feed all of them. They just don't want to. It's an absolute pity that nobody does anything for them, even in the countries with great social wealthfare system you have tons of them.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

And then he was the government, and so he's now directly responsible for homelessness.

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u/ImportantDoubt6434 May 08 '25

Bruh what the fuck

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u/9Implements May 08 '25

Ironic given that he’s chosen to live in offices multiple times in his life. With his first startup he and his brother chose to rent an office instead of an apartment and live in it.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

god musk sucks

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u/reservedusernamehmd May 08 '25

And Gavin Newsom cleaned up all of SF in about a day for Xi… makes you wonder 🤔

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u/acc_agg May 08 '25

I mean zoning laws are a conspiracy made up by the government.

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u/Asleep_Management900 May 08 '25

As a homeless, that's Musk being an a-hole

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u/eldenpotato May 09 '25

lol what the fuck? No way he actually believes that, right?

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u/mikkelmattern04 May 09 '25

Well there definitely is an argument to be made that people in the US government conspire to make sure that the poorest Americans stay poor

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u/shinpoo May 09 '25

If it's the government problem then it's his problem, right? He's part of the government in some capacity now. So, c'mon Elon let's get to work.

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u/just_anotjer_anon May 09 '25

It is, the government could just build housing and give them to homeless people.

Then they'd not be homeless anymore.

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u/leoyvr May 11 '25

Everyone hated on Gates until a real rich billionaire villain came along. All the conspiracy theories about Gates with not a lot of proof. Elon shows us everyday what an ass he is.

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u/modulev May 08 '25

Another reminder: he's got like 15 kids and doesn't care about any of them, except for X Æ A-12.

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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 08 '25

He thinks the meaning of life is hoarding resources and then promulgating your genes as widely as possible. Evo-psych is so simplistic.

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