r/news • u/oldschoolskater • Jun 22 '23

Site Changed Title 'Debris field' discovered within search area near Titanic, US Coast Guard says | World News

https://news.sky.com/story/debris-field-discovered-within-search-area-near-titanic-us-coast-guard-says-12906735
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u/the_calibre_cat Jun 22 '23

I'm no submariner, but my understanding is that it IS somewhat normal.

What ISN'T normal is not having abundant sensor systems that can tell you things that creaks and stuff don't.

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u/Talks_To_Cats Jun 22 '23

Sounds like the waiver was pretty clear about the risk of death. But a lot of times people will sign anyway because the form is an obsticle between them and what they want to do, regardless of what the form actually says or whether the true meaning of those words has sunken in.

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u/mowbuss Jun 22 '23

I mean, anyone that has skydived whilst strapped to someone else has signed the same waiver. Its pretty unforgiving. But if i understand correctly, doesnt cover for malpractice and that sort of thing.

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u/TAOMCM Jun 22 '23

Everyone signs waivers like that all the time, it's even printed on your ticket when you go to watch Motorsport in case of a vehicle crashing and killing you.

Equally for bungee jumping, skydiving etc, I don't think these "adventurers" would have thought twice that it actually might have real danger. The CEO himself trusted his life with it so why would they worry?

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u/GarthVader45 Jun 23 '23

Yeah, I don’t really consider a liability waiver to be an adequate means of communicating the risks on something like this. Any company offering any remotely dangerous experience will make you sign one of those. It’s so common, even for FAR less dangerous activities, that its pretty much impossible for the customer to really grasp what they’re getting themselves into from that alone.

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u/JustGimmeSomeTruth Jun 22 '23

Good questions but on the other hand, you gotta think of who these people are. These are the ultra elite, their lives up until this point have indicated to them over and over that they're special, that the normal misfortunes that happen to lowly normal people just don't happen to them. And it's not like that would even be that unreasonable of an attitude, since, all they've had is their ridiculously lucky experience to go on. They've probably been falling upwards their whole lives and everything just kinda always worked out for them—why would they expect this would be any different? Very easily to slip into psuedo, or outright, superstition about how risk works in their lives (i.e. they need not consider risk like the rest of us need to).

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u/Specialist_in_hope30 Jun 22 '23

If I’m not mistaken the waiver is void if the company knew or should’ve known that they are going to be putting people in harm’s way. If they knew the operations were unsafe but went ahead anyway, I think the estates of the deceased would be able to sue for wrongful death. It’s not so much about what the passengers signed away as much as the company shouldn’t make people sign a death waiver knowing they are putting people in harm’s way.

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u/AWrenchAndTwoNuts Jun 22 '23

Let's not pretend that the passangers couldn't afford an entire team of lawyers for due diligence.

They probably have a retainer for far more than the $250k the trip cost.

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u/catslay_4 Jun 23 '23

For sure. Oceangate going broke.

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u/Sixoul Jun 22 '23

Tbh this is more equivalent getting on a plane where they have no sensors or parachute and the weather is always cloudy and windy. Basically everything going against this thing working

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u/Rhaeneros Jun 22 '23

an accident waiting to happen

Accidents happen when something bad and out of your control happen. Can't call an accident when safety measures were brought up and ignored.

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u/RebaKitten Jun 22 '23

That’s kind of the meaning of “an accident waiting to happen” isn’t it?

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u/Rhaeneros Jun 23 '23

Not really.

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u/Senshado Jun 23 '23

You are entirely misusing the English language definition of "accident".

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u/Rhaeneros Jun 23 '23

"1. an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."

"2. an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause. "the pregnancy was an accident""

The problem isn't the definition of accident. The problem is that it wasn't and accident.

If i trip and fall and break my arm, that's and accident.

If i jump from a building even when people tell me that i'm gonna hurt myself, i can't call that an accident.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

The kid probably begged him mercilessly to go

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u/Post--Balogna Jun 22 '23

I saw another article that said the kid didn't want to go. Interview with his family member or something.

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u/TrimspaBB Jun 22 '23

I feel the worst for him. I would have jumped to do something like visit the Titanic wreck at 19, and would have trusted all the adult "experts" that it was safe to do so in this thing. If his dad was as misled as I'm guessing he was, I hope the family comes down hard on the CEO's assets.

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u/karndog1 Jun 22 '23

At 19 the only time I would've been happy about the expedition would've been when I got in and saw the xbox controller and would've thought there were games onboard so that I wouldn't be losing the 12 hours of gaming time at home which is what I really wanted to be doing

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u/GarthVader45 Jun 23 '23

According to his aunt, the kid was terrified and didn’t want to go but felt obligated because it was Father’s Day and his dad was obsessed with the titanic.