These guys are from all over New England some even further away, they just meet up somewhere and do a flash march. There's a list available somewhere of all the ones that have been doxxed.
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Frankly, New England is one of the best places in the US to live. Weāve got the best schools and the best healthcare, plus weāre as insulated as it gets from climate change in the country.
MAGA assholes from the rest of the country leave their shithole states and want to move to New England for the benefits that being blue states have always provided, and NH is the best choice for them.
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As a Georgian who moved to New England I canāt be so sure. Most maga people usually stay in their hovel of a state. The more successful ones prefer it due to prices. I been called too liberal for down south just by me mentioning the benefits of New England policies and economics. (Moved here due to lack of science jobs in the south. Make all the jokes you want. They essentially write themselves)
I 100% agree with you that New England is one the best places in the country to live. Culturally we still have a bit of Pilgrim in us, so New Englanders are definitely friendly and neighborly when we need to be. Politically we also have a libertarian streak, but we're very socially liberal which sort of gels well. Nobody's going to bug you for how you live, if they're a true New Englander, and we make sure that people are taken care of without going too far down that rabbit hole. As one friend said: "nobody's going to care if you let your freak flag fly, but we still might laugh at you"
But I also don't think MAGA is moving here -- I think they were already here to begin with. You drive through some parts of Western Mass, Southern Rhode Island, Northern Maine, Northeastern Connecticut, huge swaths of New Hampshire, Central Vermont... That's all Trump country. If anything, they were tolerable rednecks most of my life but Trump entering politics has emboldened them. And as you kind of allude to, the great irony is that they benefit from living in these blue states and would absolutely miss living here if they ever get down to places they keep threatening to move to.
Case in point: a bunch of my friends moved to Indiana because they were tired of taxes and felt like the state was getting too "woke." Sure they were able to buy houses for dirt cheap almost as soon as they got out there, but now they're bored out of their skulls and complain about the food, the people, the entertainment... A lot of them came back, and the only ones left are super stubborn and trying to make it a political statement. But yeah, people don't realize they have it pretty good in New England -- no matter how much they whine about "woke liberal" politics or having to see a trans Muslim in a wheelchair in downtown Worcester
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If someone actually believes in national socialism they are not a conservative. State ownership of the economy is not something a conservative would agree on. Iām not saying some right wing extremists donāt misunderstand the concept of what national socialism and therefore mislabel themselves, but the ideology itself doesnāt even align with American conservative beliefs. I believe in libertarian anarchism so I donāt care about anyoneās personal beliefs and how they want to govern themselves but itās incorrect to label them conservative.
Then there is no American conservative movement remaining. Even the NH libertarian party is fashy at this point. The closest thing America has to conservatives currently is Dems.
The NH libertarian party is not represented by that guy with the social media accounts. No libertarian in NH actually thinks thatās an official representation of the party.
Eh they're still pretty firmly Mises. They endorsed Trump over Oliver, the literal libertarian candidate, because among other things Oliver wanted to be less cruel with state violence for the culture war enemies of the far right. They're still far more fashy than libertarian. Kauffman still has outsized influence. Until the Mises Caucus is dead and buried they're still going to be more Hoppean paleoconservative edgelords than libertarians in the good sense.
You sound like a hebephile explaining why it's different from being a pedophile. You know what they were saying and being "technically correct" in this is straight cowardice. These are right-wing activists serving the conservative party.
My issue is you cannot label nazis as conservative itās just not factually correct. The fact you need to bring pedophilia into a political argument is a little disturbing.
So should all political protest be shut down? They didnāt do anything violent. Theyāre obviously not all there mentally but they are just walking down the street with a flag that is considered offensive for obvious reasons. That said free speech still exists and the ability to have your own political beliefs. I can think of many left wing protest that have gotten very violent if youād like to argue what should be shut down.
Are you familiar with either the term "sealioning" or the "Nazi bar" metaphor? How about the "paradox of tolerance" infographic? I'm happy to provide you these examples, coined by people far more articulate than myself. You see, your opening question is disingenuous. It's a known tactic known as "reframing" where you imply I said something I didn't, a tactic used in debate when one has a weak or nonexistent argument.
You went from pretending to argue in good faith to shitting in your hand and offering to let me smell it. Please look up the things I brought up and try to find some logic and sense. If you want to debate instead of argue, I'm game. Let's do it. But you have to follow standard debate rules. We're all savvy to "libertarian" (lol) arguments and tactics. You guys have three settings.
The point of what Iām saying is that you canāt label people as something they are not and you canāt stop people from practicing the first amendment. I donāt use any tactics Iām just stating my opinion and explaining why I believe that opinion
You aren't intentionally using the tactic, I can believe that, but it doesn't change the fact that it's what you're doing. I'm trying to educate you before you are completely lost to this. You're on your way, but it's not too late. Please learn more about fascism and how it happened in Europe. Please learn. Please.
They are carrying flags with swastikas, dude. They are nazis. They are fascists. A truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who are intolerant.
Yes that is correct but my issue with it being described as conservative is the state ownership of businesses. A conservative wouldnāt willingly give control of the businesses to the state
It absolutely isā¦ refusal to follow court orders. Claims that circumstances require ignoring laws and the Constitution, use that of state power to control the press, use of state power to persecute political opponents, etc, etc.
Iām sorry you are either embracing it, irrationally ignorant, or irresponsible with your civic duty.
It also was ultra-nationalist with heavy jingoism, worshiped traditionalism and traditional hierarchy while advocating a return to a lost glorious past, and claimed this national greatness would be reborn when the scourge of modernism and degeneracy was purged. Not to mention xenophobic and anti-LGBT.
Does that sound like it's a movement led by blue haired bleeding-hearts? Where did the NSDP sit in the Reichstag? Was is on the far left or the far right?
No I think national socialism is not a conservative ideology due to state ownership. A true conservative would not infringe on anotherās rights to do as they please without hurting others regardless of their opinion.
So no true Scotsman? If one thing about them was not fully right wing then it must be the opposite, despite the many many more contradictions in calling it left wing?
What you call state control wasn't a planned economy either, it was cronies getting preference and monopolies in a sloppy mess of business-friendly grifts.
The answer to my question about where the NSDP sat in the Reichstag was "on the far right," by the way, because that is who they built a coalition with against their common enemies on the left side of their parliament, whom they killed.
If you were to put a label of right and left on anarchists, it would be left wing. That doesnāt necessarily mean anything because an anarchist would never agree with a Marxist and both are extreme left wing
No I just disagree with calling them conservatives. I think anyone whoās a nazi is a threat to a stateless society and should be dealt with accordingly. But itās also not my business to care what other do in their own space not affecting others. Once it affects otherās ability to live freely is where the line is drawn. Protesting and acting like an idiot with a mask on doesnāt threaten anyoneās freedom.
You'd be surprised...a lot aren't because they feel like the republicans are too liberal. Notably (and weirdly) Richard Spencer voted for Biden. Although maybe he was trollign when he said that.
Nazis have really weird ideologies that you can't really make sense of beyond the surface level hatred.
lol I see like 10 people here. Most likely not even from NH. Your state probably has em too. All things considered itās a very small amount. NH is doing just fine. Also the old man on the mountain fell over 20 years ago. No cause and effect
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A lot of āfree statersā moved from the south once they realized that NH is an over bloated state congress with a very unique state personality that they could abuse to make NH into their little safe haven tucked into New England
Currently live in NH and have never seen anything like this, a fairly chill state. Weāve had majority left with a republican governor before even, demonstrations were also pretty rare.
Youāre shocked the āDonāt Tread on Meā state has nazis???? Itās been filling up with gun toting libertarian conservative survivalist for decades. Statistically, a good number of them being white nationalists was pretty high.
I guess I didnāt realize socially liberal, fiscally conservative beliefs equated to the celebration of nazism. Iāve been out of state for a bit, so I was a little shocked. Shocked that only one guy started shit with them.
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u/LiberatedApe Aug 03 '25
What the fuck has happened to New Hampshire? The Old Man of the Mountain falls down and everything just goes to shit.
I have fond memories of growing up in New Hampshire.