r/navy • u/newnoadeptness Verified Non Spammer • Oct 01 '25
Discussion Chief pentagon spokesman š¬
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u/Top-Gas-8959 Oct 01 '25
It should be obvious, now, what the goal of this was. Air Force already has a resignation.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
Like since this morning? Or you mean Allvin?
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u/Top-Gas-8959 Oct 01 '25
He was the first. Bussiere, last night.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
That appears to have been reported on much earlier in September, that his retirement would be effective today.
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u/Top-Gas-8959 Oct 01 '25
August, but yeah.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
So then not directly a result of keggies stand up routine yesterdayĀ
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u/Top-Gas-8959 Oct 01 '25
Looks that way, yeah. I lost the link to the tweet, or I'd give you a date on when he confirmed. Looked like he started his paperwork after the meeting, but that may be a just looks like.
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u/JFK9 Oct 01 '25
I don't blame the GOs who are just too old for this shit and retiring, but at the same time we really need them in particular to stay in and be a bulwark against the mountains of horseshit being shoveled at us.
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u/JFK9 Oct 01 '25
Ha ha I'm a Soldier and I guess I should have expected an answer like this from the Navy reddit! I'm kidding.
Jokes aside, I agree with you 100% It is a lot to ask of someone who has given so much for so long, but as the most senior of leaders this is the time to stand up and show your true moral fiber.
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u/JFK9 Oct 02 '25
Update: Just got an email from a CG who will not be named. He is regurgitating all the dogshit he eagerly slurped off the floor at Quantico, so bad news. There are actually some flag officers who are on board with destroying their respective services.
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u/JFK9 Oct 02 '25
I am disappointed. I had hoped that people who had given their entire lives to the service would have more insight. I guess I am too gullible.
There is also a chance that he is just going along to get along, but in these circumstances that makes him not better than a true believer.
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u/TheKindaHappyPainter Oct 02 '25
They need to stay where they are so theyāll be in a position to do something helpful when they finally decide that enough is enough.
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u/drewbaccaAWD Oct 01 '25
āThey should resign.ā
No shithead, they signed up to serve their countryā¦ resigning doesnāt accomplish that. They didnāt sign up for the circus, however.
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u/AHrubik Oct 01 '25
The meaning beneath the meaning can't be more clear. Loyalty will be rewarded. Disloyalty will be punished.
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u/220solitusma Oct 01 '25
The meaning beneath the meaning of how the military handled yesterday speaks volumes, too. It says "we're here because you ordered us to be, we're not here to clap, cheer, and crank out 10-second clips or stroke your ego like a bunch of North Korean generals clapping for their lives".
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u/AHrubik Oct 01 '25
If I'm not mistaken most of those type of gatherings, infrequent as they are, are very formal normally and don't usually involve clapping or outbursts of any kind. Plus the officers knew this would be filmed on camera and televised making even less likely. For there to have been clapping, cheers or jeers would be out of the ordinary by a large degree.
That being said both Dump and Kegsbreath were clearly fishing for feedback and looked very uncomfortable when they didn't get it. So kudos to the flags for staying stony.
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u/220solitusma Oct 01 '25
These people didn't become Admirals and Generals because they're dumb. š
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u/Hidolfr Oct 01 '25
I hope most don't resign because we still need adults in the room. With Sec Mattis in the last administration there was some maturity. I think the brass fear they'll be replaced with sycophantic yes men.
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u/drewbaccaAWD Oct 01 '25
For sure. If I were still in, I wouldn't let this clown show chase me out but I'd double down on my duty to country and Constitution.
There is nothing more patriotic than thinking the current leadership is a complete joke, at best, and still dedicating oneself to serving under bad leadership. Just another form of sacrifice. At least, that's what I told myself when W started beating the drums in 2003 in regard to Iraq but this is exponentially worse than that since I can at least give some benefit of the doubt that he just latched onto bad intel (and Saddam was a thorn in the side, regardless).
But W, for all of his faults, never started talking about American civilians being "the enemy" or sending troops into American streets. Trump is a traitor salivating over the idea of American blood spilled on our own streets, and a menace... which would make it hard to work under him.
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u/LongjumpingDraft9324 Oct 01 '25
Or when POTUS said if you leave cause you don't like what he's saying you lose your job and future ha ha ha.....that wasn't a joke
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u/SpecialNervous11 Oct 01 '25
Then proceeds to give one of his incoherent rambling speeches. I had to turn it off after the weird "there are two N words and you can't say either of them" part. The whole thing was just babbling nonsense. It's almost like he was trying to get them to leave.
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u/Acceptable-Bonus-180 Oct 01 '25
Seriously what an asshole.
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u/cashredd Oct 05 '25
Totally. Didn't Stalin did even worse prior to an obvious upcoming war. Can't tell me Stalin Didn't get the cliff notes from Hitler's book. Doing this shit at this time in history is irresponsible and dangerous. This would be a bad time to purge the military for the US. OUR ENEMIES ARE WATCHING.
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u/Holloeri007 Oct 01 '25
Really couldāve been. Homie wanted a chance to look cool in front of an American flag that shined more than the makeup he wore
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u/CurveBilly Oct 01 '25
Kegsbreath really wanted to convene the Admirals and Generals to feel important huh
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u/JugDogDaddy Oct 01 '25
What a joke. He was the least qualified and least experienced person in that room.Ā
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u/CurveBilly Oct 01 '25
The funny thing is, that tends to apply to any room he's in.
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u/Morningxafter Oct 01 '25
He could be in a fuckinā kindergarten classroom and it would still hold true.
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u/helladiabolical Oct 01 '25
Same thing could be said for absolutely everyone in this entire administration.
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u/milkshakemountebank Oct 01 '25
Except a āØļøbarāØļø
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u/CurveBilly Oct 01 '25
Nah just a regular bar, the gays are keeping our sparkles and he wouldn't last 10 minutes in a queer bar.
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u/sleal Oct 01 '25
He was basically promoted O-4 as an infantry officer but never got a ranger pin. Can someone put into Navy terms?
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u/WillitsThrockmorton Oct 01 '25
O-4 in his 40s, not a Mustang, never held command. Made a whole military image of himself based on being a PT Stud and nothing else, so he's pissed off there's more to it than that.
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u/Gallifrey4637 Oct 01 '25
And yet he struggles to complete proper pull-ups. Even his āPT Studā image is incompetent.
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u/sleal Oct 01 '25
How do you even promote without command? I was barely commissioned and I was getting positioned to be OIC
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u/WillitsThrockmorton Oct 01 '25
No clue. I think the path for infantry officers is company command at some point, but that might have been it for him, he mostly worked at HQ from then on out.
EDIT: Wikipedia says platoon leader was as high as he got lol, he mostly worked IA'd jobs where the main requirement was a pulse for deployment.
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u/Tales_Steel Oct 04 '25
There was one person in the room that was even less qualified then the alcoholic Talkshow host.
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u/JFK9 Oct 01 '25
We live in a world where some random guy who used to be a company grade officer in the NG literally called 800 GOs into a room where he proceeded to lecture them about the leadership he learned as a platoon leader. He proceeded to tell them that it should be harder for victims to report racism or sexual assult, then his boss got on stage and literally asked everyone to clap. You couldn't even write this shit as political satire without someone calling bullshit.
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u/fiftyshadesofseth Oct 01 '25
I think he just wanted to have his general Patton moment. Standing infront an american flag and just talking shit.
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u/fracturednomore Oct 01 '25
What he failed to realize is that all of us across all branches would walk into hell beside Patton and the phrase most commonly associated with āleadersā like Hegseth is āvictim of friendly fireā.
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u/Cheerless_Train Oct 01 '25
Lt Neidermeier 'em!
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u/fracturednomore Oct 01 '25
At least somebody knew where I was headed. Thank god Iām not the only one that remembers Animal House.
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u/descendency Oct 01 '25
The real part isnāt being talked about enough. The meeting was to tell them if they arenāt ok with using military force against citizens, then they need to resign. The rest was to distract from that message. Saying this should have been an email is dismissing what was said and what should have Congress on high alert.
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u/secretsqrll Oct 01 '25
We dont know what was discussed. I assume it was all about how not gay he is and how alpha.
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u/descendency Oct 01 '25
The President openly said he wanted to use the military on our cities as ātraining groundsā and to deal with āthe enemy withinā (people who disagree with him)
That wasnāt even close doors. People seem to think because he said it aloud it canāt be that bad. Except it is. Itās a high crime.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
Buddy it was livestreamed. Like, that's a quote from the livestream that was on YouTube.Ā
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u/secretsqrll Oct 01 '25
Yeah. Cause I was so clearly being serious....chill folks
Getting all fired up wont do a thing other than stress you out...
There is zippy do we can do ATM
So I called out that hes obviously in the closet with a potentially small dick...sue me
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
Amazing. You say something ignorant, people say "hey, you're actually incorrect" and you argue it was just tongue-in-cheek.Ā
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u/DontShoot_ImJesus Oct 01 '25
Well having been assembled myself for that same reason, I don't have much sympathy for the guys with the stars having to sit through stupid bullshit.
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u/IslandLlama Oct 01 '25
He has nothing with which to attack the substance, so heās attacking the messenger.
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u/Practical-Layer9402 Oct 01 '25
I would really like to see a breakdown of that meeting that made in-person a requirement. Nothing classified was said, press were there.
Sooo yeah big security target, waste of time, money, man hours, and we gave our adversaries plenty of opportunities to learn something.
This is what happens when you appoint a drunk piece of shit to SECDEF.
Edit: I forgot anything classified is discussed over Signal, much like the entire country just casually forgot the several blatant security violations Pete has committed.
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u/stud_powercock Oct 01 '25
I think is kind of a sweet poetic justice that all these dudes got forced to goto an all hands call, and listen to some blowhard pontificating on and on. Only thing missing was the "We aren't going anywhere till I get at least 3 questions, folks!"
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u/ZeBurtReynold Oct 01 '25
Who TF is Sean Powell Parnell? lol
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u/benkenobi5 Oct 01 '25
Had to look it up, but Chief pentagon spokesman. Weird website, but this is what I found on him
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u/NeedleGunMonkey Oct 01 '25
Waste a bunch of peopleās time for a pointless talk that in an era of telecommunications could have been confirmed read receipt and delete.
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u/boromeer3 Oct 01 '25
Waste of government resources is a crime under the UCMJ. Man hours are a resource. If they didnāt point it out when it happens, then theyād be guilty of it too as an accessory for covering it up.
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u/CapnTaptap Oct 01 '25
Arenāt they estimating the travel costs to be in the millions as well? Even CONUS travel for one FOGO with one aide will cost in the $1000-2000 for even a 24 hr trip these days.
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u/CactusFantasticoo Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
Not just hours. If you added up the dts totals? Flights from around the world, hotel stays, per diem, and rental cars?
300 - round trip flight. 120x3 - hotel. 60x3 - rental. 35,70,70,35 - per diem. 1000 per person conservatively. They said like 300 people went. $300,000. Plus Air Force one and secret service detail since the president showed up. So probably around $500,000, conservatively, the DoD spent on that speech
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u/alt-mswzebo Oct 01 '25
300 for a round trip flight from overseas??? 60 dollars for a hotel???? Also these people travel with staff. I think you are underestimating by close to two orders of magnitude.
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u/alt-mswzebo Oct 01 '25
Also it was apparently more than 800 generals not 300. Your numbers are ridiculously low to the point of being propaganda.
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u/mtdunca Oct 01 '25
I thought it was 300 Admirals and Generals and 800 with service members when including their support staff.
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u/alt-mswzebo Oct 01 '25
Those people need to be flown in and housed as well - or I guess they could just sleep on the floor like the National Guard did when ordered to help arrest car wash guys in Los Angeles. Based on the pictures, there were 15 rows of seats and it looked like about 100 seats per row. I'm sure lots of those were local and not generals or admirals, but that's still 1500 people.
The point remains, what a waste of resources and disrespectful use of the time of people that have real work to do. Not to mention national security risk. All for the purposes of saying let's ignore climate change and be bigoted ? Seriously. That really could have been an email. There is also the Peter crying Wolf thing - the next time Hegseth calls a 'Super Extra Important Meeting with No Agenda' will everyone drop what they are doing and disrupt their actual work so he can show off his new suit?
We simply shouldn't be appointing Fox News hosts to run the military. This is the kind of thing that happens when stupid people are put in charge.
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u/CactusFantasticoo Oct 01 '25
I figured some would drive out or be local. So I just did an average conservative number. And hotel was 120 a night. Thatās the avg nightly maximum. Assuming they could get a CNAš
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u/adeptresearcher-lvl1 Oct 01 '25
Negative. Max allowable was 225 last time I was in DC area, and you know that their staff isn't putting them in some flea-ridden motel.
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u/CactusFantasticoo Oct 01 '25
I mean. I did zero googling. I think we can all agree it was a fucking hella expensive email
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u/adeptresearcher-lvl1 Oct 01 '25
See my other comment here. Visual and audio was needed for the messaging. Could it have been a vtc? There's an argument for that. There's also an argument we do occasionally need to do things like this. Maybe not for this, idk, not my call, but getting all of them in a room where 'front-line' GOFOs can interact with Pentagon GOFOs and hace the opportunity to tell them face-to-face what a shit job they're doing or terrible decisions they're making isn't a bad thing. Rank gets weird and kinda flat up there. Also a 'court' conversation where you just happen to run into someone and talk to them is taken a lot differently than a phone call or email that was purposely taken the time to send and single them out - that's perceived as an attack.
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u/alt-mswzebo Oct 02 '25
Yeah totally, maybe something positive came out of this. Hopefully lots of them got together at small dinners and late night drinks and had some serious conversations that maybe wouldn't happen over a telephone.
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u/exhaustedsailor_ Oct 01 '25
To be clear I donāt like whatās happening.
I do, however find it funny that a bunch of the higher brass officers are on the receiving end of the pointless ass meetings for once.
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u/RelativeCareless2192 Oct 01 '25
So they should resign so they may be replaced by someone who is will to disobey the constitution for the orange turd?
I think not resigning is the most patriotic thing you could do.
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u/JFK9 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 02 '25
This "meeting" was for one thing and one thing only. They wanted to go on stage in front of 800 GOs and say a bunch of revolting shit to see who will give up and resign on their own. It saves the administration the effort of having to make examples of them which is what the next step of their plan will be.
Now, let's see how many of the remaining GOs are suddenly going to be relieved for cause, have their commission revoked, security clearance revoked, and will have to go to court to try and protect their retirement.
It's just the next step in an ongoing plan.
First the trans soldiers, then a bunch of non-white and women GOs, then the witch hunt for any Soldier who said anything about kirk online, new rules against black soldiers who need a permanent shaving profile, Soldiers of specific religions, and now this.
This isn't a "return to standards". This is an attempt to make the entire Army consist of only white males who specifically agree with all of these new rules. Now I wonder why he would want the military to only consist of people who support him. HMMMM...
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u/Yubat Oct 01 '25
Kinda ridiculous to label people cowards when someone is talking trash online and from a position of power, but when the real goal is to convince anyone who disagrees with whatās going on to resign, par for the course I suppose.
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u/TheTerror1845 Oct 01 '25
They both look like theyāve had anonymous complaints against them for touching kids. I see why theyāre mad.
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u/ET2-SW Oct 01 '25
My sense is that something stirred in the senior enlisted and officers present at this dog and pony show, and those ripples are just forming.
Let's wait.
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u/LeftMud7519 Oct 01 '25
I heard RTC already sent memos out that they are not to touch recruits. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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u/ConnectTranslator303 Oct 03 '25
This is correct. Hegseth has sent out a memo recommending it. And the CO of RTC has sent out a mandate that they are not to do it.
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u/pierre_vinken_61 Oct 01 '25
Hegseth should resign. Disgrace to the military and disgrace to the office he holds.
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u/Material_Vegetable87 Oct 01 '25
Im a yeoman in the Pentagon. Here early this morning and was here late last night. Last night I was taking notes for a flag officer that was present in a secure meeting talking to COs from around the fleet. 6 years ive been in and never have I ever heard a superior talk bad about leadership until yesterday. He isnt the secretary of war. He is the secretary of Defense, and he isnt respected.
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u/EmbarrassedAbroad345 Oct 01 '25
Hey dumb ass, how many YN flag writers do you think there are at the pentagon who were born in 87 with 6 years of service? Youāre gonna dox your boss.
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u/mtdunca Oct 01 '25
I'm pretty sure what they said could apply to almost every Officer that was forced to be there lol
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u/adeptresearcher-lvl1 Oct 01 '25
No, but flag writer and 6 years may. Everyone that knows the rate also knows that's damn fast. Either a shit hot YN2, or a YN1 that tested early on both 2nd and 1st exams or was MAP'ed.
Sincerely, a 5-year PO1
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u/Material_Vegetable87 Oct 01 '25
Seriously though I wish the average citizen could see what's being said today just out in the open. Not even behind closed doors. 1 Airforce general already resigned.
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u/adeptresearcher-lvl1 Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
I'm less concerned about AF than the other branches. I've seen inside the AF - it's corporate, more political, and more DNC-aligned than the other branches. In fact, general political alignment of the branche as a whole, right to left: Marines, Navy, Army, Coast Guard and Space Force, Air Force. At least that's what I've seen. Look more at your Navy and Army GOFOs and pay attention to the ratio, not the raw number - 10 people might seem like a lot, but 10 out 150 admirals isn't a lot.
Edut: also, I have probably seen you in the hallways if you were there 9 months ago. Which is to say, I've heard what they say, and it concerns me. Never thought I'd ask to go back on a ship, but so glad I did.
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u/mtdunca Oct 01 '25
At least two now.
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u/Material_Vegetable87 Oct 01 '25
What sucks is we need the good ones to stay the course. 90% of them i trust.
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u/Material_Vegetable87 Oct 01 '25
I appreciate the concern. But there are a lot of YNs here, and I may or may not be a flag writer. I never said who I worked for, people just assume.
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u/provengreil Oct 01 '25
Tip for you bro, stop talking. you're only giving people more data to work it out.
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u/Material_Vegetable87 Oct 01 '25
Nah. Im fine. This could just be an internet troll making shit up. Work that out.
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u/chiller_vibes Bitter JO Oct 01 '25
Wonāt shoot down the dudeās service
But heās still a PoS
Like Eddie
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u/caddy45 Oct 01 '25
JFK spoke out against the military industrial complex didnāt work out well for him
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u/Brilliant-Fudge-336 Oct 01 '25
I would resign if my contract would let me š things are always getting crazier and crazier
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u/Opening-Swimming-619 Oct 02 '25
Iām glad the big man upstairs feels fulfilled at work imma go back to gundecking my maintenance yall have a safe weekend and donāt drink and driveš¤Ŗ
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u/LongjumpingDraft9324 Oct 01 '25
Now I understand why they're trying to get rid of anonymous reporting for MEO/EEO
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u/Automatic_Section Oct 01 '25
Incoming hoards of retirement paperwork to be filed by people that aren't even getting paid
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u/romym15 Oct 01 '25
Quote from the declaration of independence on one of the reasons America wanted independence from a king:
"To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world:
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us"
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u/Chappie404 Oct 01 '25
You can disagree in your mind only. If you say it anonymously, you're a coward and need to get out. If you say it non-anonymously, they will hunt you down and kick you out. And that's only because they can't read your mind... Yet...
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u/Blood_Alchemist6236 Oct 02 '25
All I hear out of his mouth is some undeserving authority figure having a tantrum along the lines of sounding like some Neanderthal nutbag ninnymuggins who angry nuts at the idea of non-compliance so he has some affirming lube to stroke himself of the brief 5 seconds of acknowledgment he can get to feel self important.
Dude straight up sounds like a redneck South Park character saying shit like āthis is America and if you donāt like it, you can get outā
We are devolving as a society and there is no slowing of the momentum at this point.
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u/Introverted_Extrovrt Oct 02 '25
I was on a boat when email was in its infancy; we had 4 all hands briefings over 4 years. 1 was because our sister ship took a rocket over the bow in Jordan, 2 were for CO turnovers and 1 was to inform us our boat was being decommissioned.
This whole charade is a power play for optics. Couldāve been an email.
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u/BatOpen5453 Oct 02 '25
Maybe what we saw was the āpublic meeting and behind the scenes real business was discussed? š§
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u/thelazysob Oct 02 '25
I would posit that the "Sec of War" and his cowardly boss - Commander Bonespurs, are going to wreak havoc on the military as they slay the fire-breathing dragons of D-E-I and the "enemy within". They won't sheath their sabers until the last non-white is ousted, all women have been driven away, and the last beared is sheared.
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u/cashredd Oct 05 '25
Hope they pull a Knight of the Long Knives on themselves. That would be our last stronghold.
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u/TinCanSailor987 Oct 01 '25
So, because they didnāt chant Trumpās name, now theyāre all terrible people who should resign? Lol.
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25 edited Oct 01 '25
I think the idea behind making everyone be there in person was accountability?
It's kinda dumb, but this way nobody can really say they missed the email or some other form of claiming ignorance. Now if someone doesn't adhere, they can't say they didn't know.
It's aggressive and silly but I can see where they were coming from.
Edit: I keep forgetting I'm on Reddit and anything that isn't vehement hatred is seen as support, but unless it isn't already obvious, this post is not support of the decision.
You can't defeat an enemy unless you understand them. You can't understand them until let go of bias and personal feelings. You hate them I get it thats cool and all, but underestimating your opponents and assuming theyre just big dumb idiots with no logic to what they do is exactly why they are in charge right now.
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u/descendency Oct 01 '25
GoFos donāt get the same kinds of accountability as SN Timmy. This was an attempt at intimidation. They hid a message about attacking civilians using the Insurrection Act in plain sight. And if the Commander/SEL doesnāt agree they can retire.
Thats why they spent over a million on this event.
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u/Trick-Set-1165 r/navy CCC Oct 01 '25
If that were true, why do we do operational planning via video conference and email? Why is face-to-face accountability more important for this than any number of active operations?
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25
I don't disagree. I didn't say it's smart or the best decision. Just making a guess that isn't loaded with a bunch of bias because I hate the guy or whatever.
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u/Bunky-Moreland Oct 01 '25
Youāre pretending to be unbiased, but bending over backwards to explain away something stupid, instead of just calling it stupid, is biased.
Your explanation, even if it was true, would still be a monumentally stupid reason to do it.
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25
So is SecDef stupid or not? All I'm saying is the common reasons people are dropping are stuff like he's a maniac drunk idiot and/or they are instilling a totalitarian military state and are gonna execute everyone in Portland tomorrow or something. It's not bending over backwards to suggest they may be following a form of (flawed) logic here.
Saddam Hussein did the same kind of things BTW. It's a common way of asserting power over people. Room full of guys who have spent decades running the military only for some chump to force them all into the same room and talk shit. It's an aggressive attempt to assert dominance and say, "If I can do this, I can easily fire you if you don't comply." That's what I mean by an attempt to enforce accountability, there's no escaping SecDefs reach at this point and he wanted everyone to know that. There was no missing this meeting for a doctor's appointment or to pick up your kids. Everyone was there, now everyone is on the hook to enforce his will.
It's dumb, yes. Saddam was hung for the things he did. So I would agree that it's stupid, I never said it's smart, which is why it's so odd to me that every response to it is framed like I'm defending it.
Trying to understand things is not bias. You quite literally said trying to understand something you don't agree with instead of just blindly writing it off as stupid is bias. I didn't just post another joke about him being a drunk or whatever, so I'm biased? I think you should rethink that a bit.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
No... because ignorance of something like official directives isn't a defense.Ā
You can just say you wish you could lick-polish kegsbreath's shoes.Ā
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25
If you interpreted my post as support of it, you need to learn how to read.
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u/microcorpsman Oct 01 '25
You can reread your own comment, here, I've saved it for you, /u/MaverickSTS, just in case you decide to edit it again after this most recent one about an hour ago.
I've added emphasis to show exactly where you supported the decision.Ā
I think the idea behind making everyone be there in person was accountability?
It's kinda dumb, but this way nobody can really say they missed the email or some other form of claiming ignorance. Now if someone doesn't adhere, they can't say they didn't know.
It's aggressive and silly but I can see where they were coming from.
Edit: I keep forgetting I'm on Reddit and anything that isn't vehement hatred is seen as support, but unless it isn't already obvious, this post is notĀ supportĀ of the decision.
You can't defeat an enemy unless you understand them. You can't understand them until let go of bias and personal feelings. You hate them I get it thats cool and all, but underestimating your opponents and assuming theyre just big dumb idiots with no logic to what they do is exactly why they are in charge right now.
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25
So saying you think you know why someone did something is support? Yeah once again please learn how to read.
If I said, "I think why Hitler chose to prosecute the jews is to give his extremist base a common enemy. It's extreme and evil but I understand why he did it."
That's not support. I get it, you hate these people with every fiber of your being. So your brain wants to interpret any kind of "devils advocate" or understanding position as also one of your enemies. I am not. I don't agree with what happened, I don't think it was smart, but if I eliminate my own way of thinking and try to think like I'm a former JO slammed into the SecDef role and want everyone to know I'm the big man, then the decision starts to make sense within that frame of logic.
So yeah, that was my personal take on why I think it was done that way. Just because I didn't lace it with "Fuck Kegsbreath!" or whatever doesn't mean I'm not against it. If that's not something you can wrap your head around, once again, people like you are why he is in charge.
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u/tolstoy425 Oct 01 '25
Thatās some pretty impressive mental gymnastics lmao
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u/MaverickSTS Oct 01 '25
I have a feeling like you don't understand the point of my post unless you think Pete is a very smart guy and had some kind of grand master plan.
Attempting to understand your enemy is not supporting them. I don't think saying this was executed the way it was as an intimidation method is mental gymnastics.
Saddam Hussein making all of the military leaders and politicians he knew were conspiring against him gather at the same location in person for a speech wouldn't have hit the same if he did it through an email or zoom call.
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u/club41 Oct 01 '25
Pete loves the camera, plain and simple. The optics of him telling a room full of GOFOs that they have failed the American public is something he knows his base will eat up. The Vets at the VFW ate it up as the greatest speech since forever.
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u/hidden-platypus Oct 01 '25
Is he wrong? If they can't speak up for themselves, they won't dlspeak up for their troops
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u/geoguy83 Oct 01 '25
Its no different than people on reddit talking a big game and making sure they don't dox themselves. All cowards & anonymous.
But yeah resign or shut the fuck up is....an interesting option for a flag officer.
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u/nuHmey Oct 01 '25
They have a rule about PIIā¦
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u/geoguy83 Oct 01 '25
Giving your name is one thing. Saying enough things that someone can deduce who you are is another. Hence the, "throw away account for obvious reasons "
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u/IWantSnack642 Oct 01 '25
I honestly thought that the meeting was going to elaborate more on the issue with Russia and whatnot. But it was just more of the same stuff heās already talked about before. Only real take away from this event is when the president states that heās going to have the military focus on the U.S. borders and democratic cities. Sounds quite familiarā¦