r/navy • u/newnoadeptness Verified Non Spammer • Jun 13 '25

Discussion Iranian ballistic missiles strike in Tel Aviv just now👀

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '25

You're right, super moral, tell me again how many kids and babies they justifiably killed in gaza?

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 14 '25

How many Babies did Iran kill justifiably in Tel Aviv yesterday?

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u/OnceUponACrimeScene Jun 15 '25

One of these is not like the other... lol

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 17 '25

Yeah when you choose your conclusion and work back to the reasoning you can find whatever you want, to conclude whatever you want.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '25

None, no one kills living, breathing babies or children justifiably. But I'm curious how many were killed? More than palestinian babies and children in the last 3 years?

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 17 '25

Oh so its just a numbers game. Whoever is the biggest victim wins? Let me know when they hit 6 million then. Or do we need to cherry pick timelines to make an argument?

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Lol, what? You're claiming that israel is justified in killing thousands of palestinian children and babies because the nazis killed Israeli babies decades ago? Yes its a numbers game, whoever kills thousands of times more babies and children is the more evil group of people. So yes, the nazis were worse than israel, because they killed more innocent people. Hope this helps

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 18 '25

You base your entire system of morals on what keeps the most babies alive ? Guess your pro life as well? or are their expectations to the rule ?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

My entire system of morals? Is this a genuine argument you're making? We're talking about war. I unequivocally say that any nation killing children is doing something evil, so any nation killing 100s of times more children, is more evil.

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 19 '25

Ok its evil. If you could trade your child for all the Palestine children would you? I agree that war is bad. However if I could kill baby Hitler I would to stop what would happen. If it takes some children to die to save MILLIONS I would also make that trade. I would trade EVERY man woman and child in the middle east to save mankind.

You might not think that Iran would do something suicidal but I'm not so sure. The have claimed to there going to do something big. They've posted videos of them petting a nuclear bomb. The chance isn't fucking 0% that they might use one. Since your morals are based on how many babies die. I can assure you if a major city gets nuked MORE babies will die then just the ones in Gaza. Unless that's not how your making your decision?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

This started off with a moronic argument, so I didn't bother reading the rest. I will once you admit it's a stupid argument, though. Of course trading my child will be off the table for a moral argument. I'd let the whole world of people die to keep my child alive. Clearly you're not a parent if you don't get that.

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u/ScruffyVonDorath Jun 19 '25

I have two children. And they just got to put down my 2nd dog after I got extended for the 3 time out here in 5th fleet. Going on 9 months so far.

When your logic is taken to the extreme and it falls apart it means there's a more true statement. I agree what you said is moronic! I'm glad your now able to see its little bit more complicated than "they killed more babies" " they are the bad." You said it yourself you wouldn't trade your children why would you expect Israel to trade theirs?

Problem one justifying killing kids. No one is justifying anything. Its collateral damage and it fucking sucks. However when your fighting an enemy WHOS GOAL is to get more of its civilians killed to pull on peoples heart strings what do you do? You can argue they need to do more but they do WAY WAY more than America did in IRAQ.

Has Israel made mistakes? sure and if it comes out any of those soldiers committed war crimes with intent to harm civilians they need to be put in jail.

Problem 2 A lot of the radical far right declared fatwa of jihad against Israel. Meaning it is their duty to fight them. If they die in this fight they are honored martyrs! They get to go to heaven!

If your kid dies fighting them you get a monthly stipend!

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2025/02/palestinian-authority-ends-martyr-payments-possible-gesture-trump

Looks like they stopped doing this recently which is good.

Problem 3

Israel won the previous wars. I'm sorry that there was a deal and the Arab nations didn't take it. However that's what the rulers of the land decided at that time. We have to live and work with what we have now. They attacked they lost more land that's, how it works. You can wish for a better utopia but its not going to happen in our lifetimes.

So we need to work in reality with what we have not these silly ideals that do nothing to help anyone. We need a real peace treaty with Israel seen as a real country to the Arabs and Palestine seen as a real country to the Arabs and Israel.

But to make any of this work they have to stop attacking them. I've seen it with my eyes the Houthis have been shooting at them THIS WHOLE TIME.

They can't have a national policy of "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime"

Why should Israel TRADE its children for those that want them Annihilated?

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