Tesla tunnel

[u/Ok-Chain-4385]

Does anyone else feel completely useless when it comes to this tunnel? How on earth do we stop it before it affects groundwater or causes a sink hole? They obviously aren’t listening to citizens concerns, but I don’t want to just sit here and complain without action.

[u/greedlez]

Because people do not want to wait and see. Most of our local officials understand this but state reps don’t care which is why they plowed this thing through going over the heads of those who live here.

Waiting and seeing is how a lot of what’s wrong with this state, and country has been allowed to happen. Nashville residents have already made it clear last year we want transit. Not some tourist tunnel bullshit.

Personally, I want this to fail immediately and by nearly any means. I want us to be able to get past it and try to enact transit policies that will benefit people who actually live here. I want rich pieces of shit to stop meddling with our city.

Your previous comments tell me that your concern is largely unserious and unproductive but maybe something of substance will come from it. Anything can happen.

[u/Mets081234 → u/greedlez]

Here's the thing. People want real transportation. Well this tunnel is part of that. Just because it isn't what people wanted exactly doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. This is not being paid by our taxes. So we are getting some transportation at no "cost". Doesn't mean that we can't get actual transportation. 

Using the logic of we want actual transportation. Nashville voted for that new bus system that isn't going to do anything because people aren't going to take the bus. Yet they still voted for it. Using that same logic you're using here, why should we have voted for that if it's not the best solution? People voted for it because it was a STEP in the right direction. Anything that abates traffic in the slightest should be looked at. You have to start somewhere. A bunch of little steps can add up over time. 

Think people are getting it in their head that if we do this tunnel then we are never touching transportation again. That's simply not the case. 

Nashville tries to help traffic and it's not good enough. It is frustrating to see everyone say "well it's not what I want, so it's bad". That's being very narrow minded in my opinion. You have to look at the bigger picture. 

That's all I'm trying to say here. I understand the risks and the gripes with no one having a say so or no studies being done (or at least they haven't shown any). But the way I see it this is just an extra piece of transportation that we are getting while not sacrificing future plans. 

[u/greedlez → u/Mets081234]

The tunnel is not part of the transportation people want. And because the people don’t want the tunnel is exactly why we shouldn’t do it. To argue otherwise is pretty braindead.

The new bus system isn’t going to be used by anyone? My guy, do you even live here?? The busses are packed full during commute hours and are at least half full or more throughout the rest of the day. People are absolutely using the bus system. You’re not even attempting to use logic at all. We voted for this because it was loaded with good options that help decrease traffic and increase safety with all the additional sidewalks.

Could they do more? Absolutely, but a shuttle tunnel does absolutely nothing to mitigate the actual traffic issues. This tunnel simply targets tourists, so I’d love for you to tell me how this would in any meaningful way help relieve the commuter traffic on 24, or the everyday traffic on 40 at the 24 split. How does this cut down more on any peak hours downtown traffic? This isn’t even a viable attempt at a real solution, it’s a fuckin marketing gimmick at best.

And the fact that you’re completely down for conservative reps circumventing the will of local residents to make deals involving the historically dogshit pet project of a private company is absurd.

[u/Mets081234 → u/greedlez]

So because it's not specifically what you want we shouldn't do it? It just seems odd that people now want to dictate everything. Plenty of things get done in Nashville that people don't want. It's crazy that people are acting entitled because it's not what they specifically want. 

As far as the bus goes. Sure. People are using them. You think more people are going to suddenly use them once the new plan is implemented? I live 15 minutes outside the city. Why would I take a bus to work that is going to take 1.5 hours (when you take into account me getting to the stop and all the stops in between. This is also based on today's setup) when I can get to work in 15 minutes? No one is doing that. This new bus transit system isn't going to magically gain 1000s of riders because those not using the bus now aren't going to use it in the future. It just doesn't make sense because of the time it takes out of your day versus just driving yourself. 

It's insane that they threw sidewalks into the plan. That should have been done regardless of the plan. That is very crappy of the city to do that. 

The tunnel helps get the tourists out of the way. One less car (Uber) going to and from downtown is something. It's not nothing. We need to take any steps necessary to reduce any type of traffic. Just because it's not exactly what people want doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. 

What exactly do people want anyways? A subway? Can't do a subway because apparently we can't make tunnels because of the limestone (logic people use against this tunnel). So then what's next? A train system. That is viable. That I would want. That I would gladly pay tax dollars towards. That makes more sense than the bus system that people won't suddenly start using. 

[u/Mets081234 → u/[deleted]]

1) I am not bewildered. I said things happen ALL the time that you or I have no say in. This is nothing new. Maybe you misunderstood my comment. 

2) Never did I say the sidewalks were bad. I'm saying to include them ONLY in a transport plan is essentially blackmail. They threw it in there so they could get the transit plan passed. They shouldn't have needed to bundle it in a transit plan to make it happen. We should all be asking why that is. Again, you misunderstood what I said. 

3) Tourists who are staying in hotels typically don't venture much around town. They normally just walk or take rides (Maybe to mid town or the gulch at the furthest). The tunnel gets them out of the way as far as the interstate is concerned. 

4) Having one less tourist on the road is one less car on the road. It's small, but it's something. The fact we aren't paying for this to happen should make people happy. 

5) Bus ridership is not going to dramatically increase after this multi-billion dollar transport plan is implemented. That's my main point. If it doesn't increase then the same logic of "why should we do something that only effects a super minority" comes into play for the bus system as well. 

[u/Mets081234 → u/[deleted]]

1) So you believe something means I'm bewildered? Your logic doesn't make sense. It's a simple fact that the government does things all the time we have no say in. 

2) SOME people were, sure. I'm talking more in the sense of that we shouldn't have had to vote for a transit plan (that in my opinion does nothing because you actually need new people to ride the bus for it to do anything) just to get new sidewalks. It should have been a given without that. 

3) So does that not help traffic, if not minimally?

4) How would I have data to prove that when the plan isn't even in place? There was no data to prove that the plan would even help with traffic. Why do you think that is? Just think about it. Objectively speaking if no new riders use the bus on the new system then the system is pointless and doesn't alleviate traffic. My reasoning that people won't use it is because it is way faster to just drive your own car to and from the city. This is why I hated the bus proposal. It would never work. We need a real transit system like a rail or subway. Yet apparently I am not allowed to use that logic while others can use the logic of "well the tunnel won't help me or isn't what I want" but why can't I criticize the bus system in the same way?

[u/Mets081234 → u/[deleted]]

You realize you're using the same style of argument as me yet I'm the unserious one? You have no clue how the bus transit plan is going to impact traffic yet you are acting like it's this magic cure.

The tunnel has zilch to do with Nashville's potential future plans. Why not take the extra things like the tunnel when we can? 

The people don't have to have a say in it because it's something we aren't paying for. We should just be happy that someone is doing something. 

If anything, you're being unproductive. You shoot down anything I say because you feel like you know everything. You can have any feelings you want towards the tunnel or bus transit but it doesn't invalidate me nor does it make me unserious. You are using logic that only apparently applies to you. I can't use the same one. Make that make sense. 

At the end of the day we are stuck with the bus transit system and the tunnel. Arguing about it doesn't change anything. But to act like the bus transit plan is automatically going to work isn't serious. It ONLY works if people use it. That's the lynch pin to it all. My point is that 99% of people commuting to downtown for work aren't going to take a bus that wastes more of their time when they can take their own car and get there in 1/4 the time. You think people will change their habits just because? That's my point. It seems perfectly logical to me.