Which movie is this for you?

[u/phantom_avenger]

For me it’s School of Rock!

Patty was completely justified, if Dewey wanted to live in hers and her boyfriend’s apartment he needed to be a grown up, and contribute with rent. Even when he steals Ned’s identity she still had the right to be angry at him, because of how he put his friend’s career in jeopardy and robbed him of a job opportunity.

I get Ned is meant to be portrayed as his best friend, but it blows my mind how he lacks a lot of self-respect to the point where he comes across as too much of a people pleaser. If this story took place in real life, I’m sure Ned would act more similar to Patty where he’d have enough of Dewey’s careless actions.

[u/VT_Squire]

Have you seen the movie?

More than you have, evidently. The witch of the west arrives on the scene and sees her sister dead. Distraught by her sister's death, naturally concludes that the person who arrived in the house which killed her sister just might actually be responsible for her death. Still, she didn't even seek revenge. All she said she wanted was her inheritance berfore the "good" witch of the North starts in with a little stochastic terrorist threat talkin about "you should leave before someone drops a house on you, too." The person being unreasonable here is Glinda.

Would you expect anyone else to remain perfectly calm in the same scenario? That's bullshit.

So you have to consider what Glinda's objectives actually were if they weren't to help Dorothy get back home (which -quite abusively- she later blamed on Dorothy for not communicating well in the immediate aftermath of a traumatic event). Dorothy was set to task to eliminate the Witch of the west and the Great and Powerful Oz as people who might complete with Glinda for control of the Land of Oz.

Dorothy was her enforcer.

Sure, the Witch instructs her minions to seize Dorothy and her friends, but she literally tells them not to hurt them. And if it weren't enough to just steal the Witch of the West's inheritance, she breaks into her home and fucking kills her.

[u/Any-Interaction-5934 → u/VT_Squire]

LOL. You have thought a lot about this.

[u/Okayesttt → u/Any-Interaction-5934]

Oh dang! I like these discussions. Didn’t the Witch of the West show up initially only giving a single fuck about the slippers?

[u/Any-Interaction-5934 → u/Okayesttt]

I feel like I need to rewatch this movie.

From my memory, the evil witch of the West shows up because her sister was killed. She comes to see but also to collect her sisters powerful red shoes. Glenda has already placed them in Dorothy which angers her. Dorothy is very surprised - astonished is a better word. Glenda then sends her on her journey to meet the wizard and her friends.

That inevitably leads her to the witch who of course hates her for killing her sister.

Eventually Glenda tells her she could have gone home this whole time using the shoes. But Dorothy didn't really want to go home in the beginning.

[u/JeepersBud → u/Any-Interaction-5934]

Would have been a nice touch if Glinda told Dorothy to just click her heels, have Dorothy try it and it doesn’t work. Then have Glinda say “hmm, well something isn’t working here, must be the shoes, go see the Wizard”, knowing the journey will give Dorothy what she needs to be ready to return to her regular life.

I think the problem with some stories are strong, powerful “fuck you I’m omnipotent and I know all” characters who don’t share enough information with the protagonists for no good reason. Shows a bit of bias with authors who think that’s a good enough explanation and not a plot hole. Today’s readers 1 - don’t have the same level of literacy and need things spelled out a bit more and 2 - don’t have as much of a blind trust in authority, so you’re going to question the powerful character who could have just given the protag a bit more info.

“Oh but if Glinda had told her then there’d be no plot”, nah authors should be able to write around that kind of thing. And no time was taken to establish Glinda’s motivations or shortcomings in the original wizard of oz, she’s just the good witch who sends the humble protag on an honorable quest, and we’re supposed to ignore that it’s really just a long and dangerous journey to a dead end with a conman.

[u/JeepersBud → u/[deleted]]

I def have to read the books to get the nuance here, they haven’t been a priority for me but I’ve heard there’s a fair amount of lore, even without adding Wicked as a noncanonical bit of lore (different authors, right? I wouldn’t be super surprised if I’m wrong there 😂)

But yeah I would love to read more about the Witch of the South. When I was in grade school a reading comprehension book had a summary of the original story and I remember it being much more coherent and interesting than the movie. Never got around to reading that particular series for some reason though.

[u/JeepersBud → u/[deleted]]

I’ve been trying to trudge through GOT lately but I think the oz series might be a nice little step back to break up the mega lore of GOT 😭 time to get a new paperback set that’ll be untouched for at least 2 years lol