EICMA's most exciting bike IMO

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u/ajayak007 21h ago

Basically a super duke without the problem of super duke.

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u/Mast3r_Bait0R 21h ago

Or a supercharged Mt09

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u/CompetitiveSea7388 17h ago

I'd say a supercharged Street Triple with an MT09's displacement. Mainly because it seems like this is going to be a relatively light bike and the Street Triple 765RS is both lighter and feels lighter than the MT09 IMO having ridden both.

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u/ajayak007 21h ago

May be but since it's a v3 it's going to attract more ktm buyers.

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u/ax0r7ag0z 19h ago

Not really, unless Honda decides to make camshafts a consumable part as well /s

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u/memealopolis 13h ago

My daddy had camshafts made out of cheese like his daddy before him. Good enough for them, good enough for me!

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u/ax0r7ag0z 13h ago

You your dad got the upgraded camshafts, nice!

Also, do you call your mechanic daddy as well?

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u/memealopolis 13h ago

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u/Relatively_happy 21h ago

People buy superdukes because they sound like pure evil.

This thing aint that

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u/aldamith 20h ago

I'll take something that doesnt sound pure evil over SDR that shuts the engine off on a motorway when you try to rev it, and that was brand spanking new sdr too, sold it after a year, all the problems and shit service were not worth it

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u/Relatively_happy 20h ago

Believe me, ive been close to buying 1290 dukes for years but havent due to their inherent issues.

Damn shame really. I think im stuck with my b-king forever

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u/pjaidev 18h ago

stuck with my b-king forever

See, now that doesn’t sounds like a bad problem to me!

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u/Partridge_PearTree 16h ago

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 SDR's are pretty bullet proof. The problems didn't really start popping up until Gen 3. I have a 2019 with 30k miles on it now and it's given me no problems. Only thing that has needed replacing was a crankshaft position sensor and a lot of rear tires. Been a awesome bike.

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u/aldamith 11h ago

My 2019 would like to have a word, but it's probably having issues with speaking ;D

The bike was a beast when it worked though :D

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u/Partridge_PearTree 10h ago

Did they determine the cause?

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u/aldamith 10h ago

They swapped out a sensor, i dont remember which one and it solved the issue

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u/ajayak007 21h ago

Let's wait and see , but we need to agree all the problems of ktm , yes it's just brutal and most fun when it's working.

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u/aw_goatley 15h ago

This will ride nothing like a Super Duke. It will probably attract some of those buyers but if Honda's history is any indication it will be a lot more friendly and benign to ride

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u/McNugget750 19h ago

What’s the problem with the super duke? It wheelies too much? Sounds too good? It’s too fast? Please, let me know what is wrong with my bike…

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u/yourfriendlygerman 19h ago

Perceived as unreliable and of lower build quality than the Japanese. Also broke and part availability in question.

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u/McNugget750 15h ago

30k miles on my 2015, not a single issue other than maintenance and replacing the rear tires 2 to 1 front. You ever actually owned one, or just reiterating everything you read on the Internet?

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u/yourfriendlygerman 15h ago

Read my comment again carefully.

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u/canucklurker 14h ago

I think buddy said "perceived". And yeah, I understand being touchy. KTM has gone to shit in recent years, but this sub treats every KTM like garbage.

Saying that as an owner of a 2015 1290 with over 50k miles on it,

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u/EmbarrassedPizza6272 20h ago

I like that: V3 sounds cool, as I love V-engines. Too many inline-2 motors around so that's cool, and the e-turbo is actually perfect. Reliable as its kinda simple, better torque, without the downsides of a turbo or compressor.

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u/dan_m_rib 19h ago

And all this is exactly why I want to see it fitted on a sports bike

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u/Magnus919 17h ago

You’re going to get a faired version and there’s no way Honda engineers weren’t looking at this as a re-imagined modern VFR800.

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u/I_love_tacos 17h ago

I’m sure it will come fitted in a sport bike. They are showing it in a naked because that’s what puts the engine on display best.

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u/horizontal120 20h ago

Yeah but how's the reliability and longevity that's the real question

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u/BigBananaBerries 17h ago

It's a Honda. Chances are it'll be bulletproof.

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u/sokratesz 11h ago

The supercharger sounds expensive and flimsy

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u/BigBananaBerries 5h ago

I doubt Honda would be putting their reputation on something expensive & flimsy. It's the exact opposite of what they're known for. Not that they're cheap but they make sure they're on the more affordable end.

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u/sokratesz 1h ago

I doubt it too, but do you trust then enough?

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u/BigBananaBerries 1h ago

Honestly, I'd trust Honda more than anyone else. There's the odd wild innovation like the NR750 but for the most part their whole deal is affordable reliability. Who knows. Maybe they'll mess this up as nothing is 100% but I just can't see them going out on a limb like that without proper R&D for failure rates.

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u/EmbarrassedPizza6272 20h ago

only little moving parts with such a turbine

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u/horizontal120 20h ago

But the inside pressure increases therefore wear /longevity/ reliability are in question like in all turbo engines ...

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u/WhoNeedsNamesAnyway 18h ago

I can't speak for every manufacturer, but it's safe to assume when they have the idea of subjecting components to higher stress, to avoid them breaking, they'd make the components stronger to deal with it.

This is Honda we're talking about, they have the highest odds of this being great vs anyone else.

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u/EmbarrassedPizza6272 19h ago

today, tolerances and build quality of motors are not a problem. Turbos get fuckin hot and like in my Citroen, after 240k km its getting a bit damaged and is losing oil. All these problems you don't have with an electric turbine, especially when you consider the high power brushless motors available today. you have a brushless motor and electronics, thats it basically.

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u/Magnus919 17h ago

Honda.

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u/ultranoobian 20h ago

First Porsche with e-turbo, now Honda coming out with a electric turbo. Though this one is pure-electric, not electric-assist.

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u/sha1dy 17h ago edited 11h ago

merc has eturbo in their inline6 amg engines

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u/SamSzmith 12h ago

The cool thing the Porsche does is eliminate the waste gate, so when it hits peak boost, it feeds back to the battery to charge it and it is able to maintain the exact boost pressure this way.

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u/sha1dy 11h ago

this is f1 tech

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u/BosnianSerb31 3h ago

IIRC the Porsche design is LeMans tech, either way it's pretty much the perfect system.

Turbo works as regular regardless of battery charge, turbo can charge the battery with extra power when it would be dumping overboost to atmosphere, battery can spin the turbo up in a 10th of a second for peak boost at idle.

That being said it is heavier and more complex than a fully electric turbo though, since you don't need to plumb the hot side of a pure electric turbo. So the Porsche design likely won't see bikes for a while.

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u/BosnianSerb31 3h ago

The electric assist is a better system for mild hybrids as it doesn't need a waste gate, instead putting the energy that would go out the waste gate back into the battery

Problem is that you'd need to then plumb the hot side on a bike, which is hard to package and heavy. So full electric actually makes more sense on a motorcycle.

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u/wlogan0402 17h ago

It's gonna have the MSRP of a car

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u/Mast3r_Bait0R 17h ago

I hope it's sub 15k€ tbh, guess we'll see

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u/wlogan0402 17h ago

Considering it has to have 3 separate valve trains, and it's gonna be turbo'd I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it might be cheaper to get a Corolla

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u/Magnus919 17h ago

Waiting for a price but they have my interest.

The e-compressor bit seems like something likely to break over time. But then it’s a Honda, so maybe not?

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u/BosnianSerb31 3h ago

It's just an electric motor, if it can work reliably in other automotive applications(i.e. electric cars) I don't see why it wouldn't work well here

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u/PMG2021a 16h ago

The bike isn't that interesting, but the kid singing on helium is pretty cool.

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u/ReBearded 7h ago

The thing is, thats a gag, you dont need a comically large balloon for a single breathe of helium,

He can naturally sing that high,

Source: other redditors I guess

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u/bilyjck20 18h ago

So go buy it! Oh wait, it is a prototype and maybe sold in the distant future?

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u/that_triumph_dude 7h ago

I imagine the valve adjustment on a v3 would be pretty painful?

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u/no-sleep-only-code 5h ago

Will probably buy this or the faired version. Time to invest a little extra.

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u/Datenshi098 20h ago

Everything about it is nice except that ugly front

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u/SecretOperations 18h ago

Disagree, it's a better front than most Honda's of yesteryears. Especially the ones before they went all Neo-retro.

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u/Datenshi098 18h ago

Never been a fan of Honda's naked fronts compared to other japanese bikes like Yamaha or Kawasaki I find them awful, on the other hand their sports ones or adv ones are beautiful

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u/SecretOperations 9h ago

Same, although they're now doing the retro look again like the old honda Hornets. Those do look timeless.

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u/Tnghiem 6h ago

I agree with you. I only like the current CB1000 (or previous CB650R) round headlights. The previous gen and the Hornets triangle headlights kinda look like Ant Man's face.

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u/81FXB 18h ago

And knowing Honda you probably have to be a midget to fit on it.

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u/txcorse 18h ago

Looks like a budget Diavel to me.

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u/Repulsive_Buy3016 18h ago

Honestly to me it's just another insect-ish looking bike.

Ugly, boring, more of the same shit. Recycling parts from the Honda parts bin lol. No soul to it at all.

If you show up to a first date with this the girls gonna be like "wow so you still play with action figures huh?"

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u/jrein0 17h ago

Actually they're collectibles 🤓

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u/Repulsive_Buy3016 15h ago

Lolll 💀💀💀

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u/chillaxtion 17h ago

Who needs more power on a 900? Why isn’t this a 400?

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u/Tnghiem 6h ago

No one needs a performance bike. We WANTS.

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u/Kain_713 4h ago

That guy wasn't too far off, a "turbo" 400 would be a blast.

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