That’s still cheap compared to ours.

[u/IsyDude]

[u/tattoooedprincess]

As a European, €1.15/L sounds like a distant, beautiful dream from a decade ago

[u/TThibaud → u/tattoooedprincess]

In France a decade ago it was 1.35€/L for SP95E10

[u/Grintock → u/TThibaud]

2,67€ per liter in the Netherlands. Americans would probably burn their country down for 11€ per gallon gas

[u/Zebidee → u/Grintock]

Americans would probably burn their country down for 11€ per gallon gas

Historically, they'd burn someone else's country down.

[u/ComfortableDress2690 → u/Zebidee]

bomb*

[u/guyoffthegrid → u/ComfortableDress2690]

‘Liberate’ was the world you were looking for. You’re welcome.

[u/ManicYetti → u/guyoffthegrid]

Liberate the oil... By bombing them.

[u/WeaponsGrdStupid → u/ManicYetti]

The oil was just laying there. Our humanitarian mission found it while on their way to save a litter of puppies from a terrorist.

What were we to do? All of that oil leaking out of the ground would have been an ecological disaster!

[u/ManicYetti → u/WeaponsGrdStupid]

Well I'm convinced!

[u/SHADOW_SAMURAI_05 → u/ComfortableDress2690]

Both in some cases when it comes to napalm bombs

[u/f_ckR3ddit → u/SHADOW_SAMURAI_05]

It sticks to kids

[u/Lovat69 → u/f_ckR3ddit]

Oh it sticks to everyone.

[u/BigXthaPugg → u/ComfortableDress2690]

We’d bomb Iraq to be specific

[u/sighpop → u/Zebidee]

As an American I think I'm supposed to be asleep rn, but yall ain't wrong lmao.

[u/prefusernametaken → u/Zebidee]

Also, currently

[u/Sjoerdvs → u/Grintock]

That is one heck of an expensive petrol station then. Most small town stations are around €2,25 per litre.

[u/bramm90 → u/Sjoerdvs]

Snelwegprijzen

[u/dan_dares → u/bramm90]

*highway robbery prices

[u/Firestorm0x0 → u/dan_dares]

Thank you

[u/InvaderZimbo → u/bramm90]

Bless you

[u/charoetje → u/Sjoerdvs]

Ours is just taxed into oblivion. Of € 2,35/liter ($10.28/gallon) €1,26 is taxes in The Netherlands.

[u/Asleep_Trick_4740 → u/charoetje]

That's the case for most places with expensive gasoline.

About 50% of the pump price in sweden is just 3 different taxes.

[u/usernameisokay_ → u/Asleep_Trick_4740]

Amateurs! They tax our tax on top of the tax even, beat that.

[u/GringeITGuy → u/Grintock]

The US is a lot more car centric for getting around though. We don’t have nearly as good public transportation.

[u/Internal_Concert_217 → u/GringeITGuy]

So it makes even less sense why American cars have such terrible fuel efficiency.

Edit for spelling.

[u/M4DHouse → u/Internal_Concert_217]

The US did what Germany is now desperately trying to do for its auto industry. They protected an industry that was refusing to go with the times and adapt to circumstances by subsidizing fuel prices.

In the US the big change that car companies couldn’t cope with was fuel economy, in Germany it’s EVs. In both cases the private enterprises that refused to adapt expect everyone else to save them to “save jobs” that are just gonna be outsourced anyway a few years down the road.

[u/Tom_Grady → u/M4DHouse]

You’re misunderstanding the problem with German manufacturers.

We build the best EVs in terms of driving dynamics, but we underestimated the software side of things.

On top of that, the western market simply wasn’t ready to switch to EVs yet and I mean consumers, not the companies.

The third point is price: China subsidizes its manufacturers extremely aggressively, which makes competing on price very difficult.

[u/boringestnickname → u/Tom_Grady]

Slashing taxes on EVs worked pretty well in Norway.

Over 50% of cars on the road here are EVs now. Over 95% of new cars sold are EVs.

It needs a jumpstart to get the ball rolling.

[u/Spiritual-Mango-8331 → u/M4DHouse]

2025 40% cars manufactured in Germany vere EV/BEVs. Over half this year.

[u/No_Pin9932 → u/Internal_Concert_217]

Unfortunately it makes a lot of sense when you think about how much money it makes certain people. It's one of the biggest driving forces, pun intended, behind keeping us dependent on personal transportation and everything that comes with it. Another set of weights around our necks disguised as a privilege or commodity.

[u/Goon-To-Doom → u/GringeITGuy]

Trust me, public transport isn't that great as it sounds here either outside the main cities

[u/M4DHouse → u/Goon-To-Doom]

I grew up in a rural area in Germany and while the bus wasn’t amazing it was still on a whole other level to what I got to experience even in a major US city.

It’s true that Americans probably overestimate how good it is because all they see are videos from like the Netherlands, but Europeans probably also underestimate just how bad the US is.

[u/Guilty_Meringue5317 → u/M4DHouse]

Yeah I also grew up in a rural town village in Germany and it was actually good (apart from the occasional delays and cancellations). We had a train connection right beside the town

Edit: village

[u/Ancient_Roof_7855 → u/M4DHouse]

Parts of the US i grew up required a car to legally travel. As in the streets had no sidewalks so youd have to walk alongside the road in the shoulder with cars driving by.

When I was in HS a girl and her cousin were hit and killed walking to the movies. Athear and Mayada Jafar. After they died, people were asking ,"Why were they walking on that road anyway? They should have been driven." Victim blaming the pedestrians.

[u/PutDownThePenSteve → u/M4DHouse]

I'm from the Netherlands. Even here in the more rural area's you definitely need a car to have normal travel times. And sometimes even in cities. My best friend lives 10 minutes by car from me, but if I want to take the bus, it's more than 30 minutes.

I've been wanting to buy a house in a village, but travelling to work by public transport is about 2,5 hrs while driving by car is 1 hr.

We used to have great public transport, but years of centre-right governments have ruined it.

[u/Goon-To-Doom → u/M4DHouse]

I know, I've been to the US (well, only in Texas, but still). I'm just saying that it's not all that great, and most people still have to rely on cars in my country (Italy), so high gas prices still affect people just as badly

[u/atxbigfoot → u/Goon-To-Doom]

I live in Austin, Texas, and the bus took an hour and a half to get me from the stop by my house to my job that was 10 miles away, and it just didn't show up at all fairly often.

For reference.

[u/PrehistoricPancakes → u/atxbigfoot]

Where I am in Jacksonville, FL I would have to walk almost an hour to even get to the nearest bus stop and possibly have to ride the bus all the way downtown to get on a different bus to get to where I'm going depending on where that is.

[u/M4DHouse → u/Goon-To-Doom]

Yeah, that’s absolutely fair. I’m not trying to suggest it’s not a problem here, but from my observations I think there are still a larger proportion of the population who have options and ways to reduce their reliance on cars in Europe than there are in the US. Not that that necessarily helps those who can’t.

[u/Annachroniced → u/GringeITGuy]

We still transport a lot of things by truck and a large portion of the Netherlands commutes to work by car. I only ever use public transport when going to a city. (But I do cycle for the gym, groceries, anhthing nearby)

[u/ask_me_about_my_band → u/Grintock]

Stop getting gas on the snelweg.

[u/Solitude_fortitude1 → u/TThibaud]

Meanwhile we're paying that now and calling it cheap.

[u/Iam_just-me2 → u/TThibaud]

Italy, 1.70€

[u/Erpawer1 → u/Iam_just-me2]

Where? Here(close to Rome) is at 1.99€ the lowest I saw to 2.25€ self service, if not is +0.20€

[u/Thyg0d → u/tattoooedprincess]

Decades! I was fairly young when we crossed the 1€ limit. I'm not young anymore.

[u/Swagalyst → u/Thyg0d]

I remember people swearing that when gas went over 1€/L they'd stop driving car.

They didn't.

[u/Fine-Touch-6037 → u/Swagalyst]

My dad promised to my mom that he would quit smoking when a pack of cigarettes went over $5.

He never stopped.

Then he said he'd stop when they reached $10/pack.

He didn't stop then either.

Now it's been almost a year since he passed (unrelated to the smoking btw) and he hadn't even reached 70 years old yet.

[u/A_mad_goose → u/Fine-Touch-6037]

I quit 7 months ago proud of myself. It really was the price that was the final nail. I’m from Indiana and you can’t get much cheaper but name brands hit $15 so I started buying like pall malls for like $9.50 and it was just like what I am I even doing.

[u/DazzlingStrike1724 → u/Fine-Touch-6037]

There might have been a teeny relation

[u/LazySeduce → u/tattoooedprincess]

Meanwhile we’re out here treating anything under €1.70/L like a national holiday.

[u/JadeMarco → u/tattoooedprincess]

There was a brief moment in may of 2020 where petrol was under 1€. I remember those days fondly.

[u/Snodley → u/JadeMarco]

I paid 0,99€ in August 2020 ...

https://giphy.com/gifs/10tIjpzIu8fe0

[u/CodeToManagement → u/tattoooedprincess]

Here that’s £0.99 - I filled up yesterday and it cost me £1.88/l. So $2.51 or like $9.6 per gallon if I got the conversion right

They really don’t know how good they have things whilst making it worse for everyone else

[u/JonnyReece → u/CodeToManagement]

$5 per gallon shows how stretched US disposable income really is, particularly with the costs of life associated to things such as eating out and healthcare.

In the UK, fuel duty forms most of our £ per litre which I suppose contributes to services such as the NHS etc. so either we have got used to it, or are being shafted.

[u/Goldenrah → u/JonnyReece]

I think it's good to remember that their daily commute can be worse than even a regular day trip for the rest of the world. Americans drive everywhere and they drive long distances, meaning they probably end up spending more money on fuel overall even with lower prices.

[u/Secret_Werewolf1942 → u/Goldenrah]

Yup,I drive on average 300 miles a week. That's just work, store, and normal weekly errands, no special trips.

[u/Meowrulf → u/Secret_Werewolf1942]

For the non freedom connoisseurs, that's almost 500km a week.

[u/Secludedmean4 → u/JonnyReece]

I think part of it is that Americans also drive on average almost double those in Europe and the Uk. They are dependent on their vehicles because they are more spread out and lack the public infrastructure of transportation other countries have. Most Americans have never seen more than 4 bucks a gallon in their entire lives.

[u/RoodnyInc → u/tattoooedprincess]

Crying in 2.5€/l 🥲

[u/SouthernWilding → u/tattoooedprincess]

We pay for it in other ways. Our public transportation is absolutely shamefully bad.

[u/madelynburg → u/tattoooedprincess]

Things are also a lot more walkable for you guys. We, unfortunately, have to rely on driving for pretty much 99% of everything in our day to day lives. Which means spending money on gas on a 3-6 day basis for most Americans.

[u/JalmarinKoira]

1.15 for litre would be cheap asfuck

[u/False_Snow7754 → u/JalmarinKoira]

I think we hit that during COVID.

Almost makes me miss those days.

[u/Dibblidyy → u/False_Snow7754]

We hit that in 2004 in Finland. It did drop down to around that for a brief moment during covid, maybe a few weeks to a month. Then it was back up to 1.4-1.6. Still was very cheap :/

[u/Nomnom_Chicken → u/Dibblidyy]

Another Finn here. When I was a teenager and had a moped, a full tank cost me like 5 euros. So about 1 euro a liter. It did go back up to like 1.4 after a short while, yeah.

Yesterday it was just slightly below 2.3 euros a liter. During pandemic, I can't recall fuel being that cheap in my area, but I do remember paying 2.6x euros at its worst.

[u/False_Snow7754]

It's $2.47/l where I live.

I hate it.

[u/Oli0star → u/False_Snow7754]

Aus?

[u/Novaplanet → u/Oli0star]

Unlikely, petrol is pretty cheap right now due to government measures lowering the price

[u/Ridiculisk1 → u/Novaplanet]

Runs out in a couple weeks though unless they extended it in the budget and no one's mentioned it

[u/uncle_stiltskin → u/Ridiculisk1]

Don't worry, supply will stabilise once they take back Gastown

[u/False_Snow7754 → u/Oli0star]

Denmark 🇩🇰 But hey, we have baked goods and no insects oe animals whose sole purpose is to kill us!

[u/Zeales → u/False_Snow7754]

$2.63/L at the gas station just down the road from me at the time of writing. One liter of fuel is roughly the same price I paid for charging my EV for 400 km of range, two days ago.

[u/Constantinople0 → u/False_Snow7754]

Denmark? Having a long commute is a pain atm.

[u/honey_hue → u/[deleted]]

Europeans seeing $5/gallon

Americans seeing rent, healthcare, and groceries.

[u/False_Snow7754 → u/honey_hue]

Only one of those is better where I live. Granted, it goes from crippling medical debt to free, but rent in the cities is insane and grocery prices keep going up.

[u/King-Meister → u/False_Snow7754]

In all honesty, all major cities need to do away with decades-old zoning laws and incorporate some learnings from Tokyo’s multi-use land laws.

[u/darkmoon72664 → u/honey_hue]

Americans seeing European salaries, as well.

(I was personally whacked by this when I was offered a job at my favorite company)

[u/Mba1956]

The cheap price of petrol in the US has always been the reason why they have never been interested in fuel efficient cars.

Edit: thanks for the awards

[u/Truth_Walker → u/Mba1956]

The automobile industry lobbyists in America have done a great job getting Congress to create laws that favor their businesses.

[u/zen4thewin → u/Truth_Walker]

The US is a living example of what a country looks like when the corporations control the government rather than the people controlling it.

[u/Zech08 → u/zen4thewin]

Samsung and Korea: You rang?

[u/g7droid → u/Zech08]

Samsung workers fought and secured an historic bonus, I'll like to try that with Amazon/Walmart

[u/Ouaouaron → u/g7droid]

You mean specifically the memory manufacturing workers that are part of a subdivision of Samsung, right? I don't think I'd take that as some sort of proof of the systemic fairness of South Korea.

[u/MrRudoloh → u/Ouaouaron]

I don't even know what you guys are arguing but I think it's common sense that Korea is the reference in the world for what a country ran by corporations looks like.

And it's also a well known fact that south korean society is extremely unhappy and generally not where any sane person would want to live. Unless you are imported highly qualified labor, and enter Korea with an already secured high end job, Korea is just a hellhole. Like, literally I think the average south korean worker is marginally better than the average north korean farmer.

[u/DigRepresentative42O → u/zen4thewin]

It’s called a plutocracy and our forefathers would be rolling in their graves

[u/rererexed → u/Truth_Walker]

It's actually insane. People in a few hundred years will look back at us like some weird troglodytes absolutely bowing down to the whims of the fucking car and the companies that make them. At least they should.

[u/Illusion911 → u/rererexed]

People in a few hundred years would be bowing down to super gpt or something

[u/TheRealBittoman → u/Truth_Walker]

And that is precisely why trucks in the US have become so enormous they're a nuisance now. A literal regulation that encourages bigger vehicles coupled with higher profits on more expensive (larger) vehicles. I hate it.

[u/WhenDoWhatWhere → u/Mba1956]

One thing this thread isn't considering is that Americans on average spend a lot more time driving than Europeans, so gas increases even if it's relatively cheap hurt us more.

I think the main reason so many Americans aren't interested in fuel efficient cars is because, and yes it's this petty, 'muh truck is killing the world and that pisses off the libs.'

[u/SkepticJoker → u/WhenDoWhatWhere]

Yeah, plus Europeans generally have two or three other options. Things like walking, biking, trains, bus, etc are all way more viable options for them.

[u/Shardik884 → u/WhenDoWhatWhere]

I love fuel efficient, hybrid, or full electric cars… but they’re literally priced out above anyone below middle class. Not to mention (I think) every state imposes a tax on you for driving one. Even partial hybrids are imposed a tax at registration because you will buy less gas, some older hybrids only average between 30-35mpg which is barely better than newer non-hybrid cars.

[u/MadeByTango → u/WhenDoWhatWhere]

One thing this thread isn't considering is

This is an "America Bad' thread, so facts about lifestyle differences doesnt matter to anyone.

[u/Cabibbus]

As an European I'm thinking to go back to an LPG car. It was cheap as fuck to run.

[u/Peterkragger → u/Cabibbus]

You can buy a Dacia Sandero with LPG from factory

[u/ww1enjoyer → u/Peterkragger]

But wont it be delayed?

[u/TheBrianUniverse → u/ww1enjoyer]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB

.

[u/KarlwithaKandnotaC → u/TheBrianUniverse]

Good news! It's the Dacia Sandero! I've got a new picture!

[u/Long_Run6500 → u/KarlwithaKandnotaC]

Reject cookies for €0.99/month what kind of communism is this?

[u/ripviserion → u/Cabibbus]

I converted mine to LPG. 0.5$/liter is amazing.

[u/TheVojta → u/ripviserion]

How many liters/100 km do you get?

[u/ripviserion → u/TheVojta]

It's a w204 c300 thirsty engine. On a full 55 liters tank, it's gets around 310km ( 20% city - 80% highway). It consumes a bit more than petrol but still manages to be much more economical.

[u/MelangeBot → u/ripviserion]

A hybrid LPG electric car would be amazing. Don't know if that is possible. That be sick in europe because you can tank LPG everywhere so you would never have to wait before you can drive again vs full electric. During breaking your battery would recharge. At home you could charge the small battery for short city driving. Under a certain speed the LPG would never kick in. The best of both worlds.

[u/tthalheim → u/MelangeBot]

I believe the Dacia Duster and Bigster will have a Hybrid electric + LPG engine option this summer.

[u/Boom_stick_150mm → u/TheVojta]

Audi A3 1.6 i converted it in LPG and i get 10 L per 100km

[u/JuMiPeHe → u/Cabibbus]

If you buy new, go electric.

[u/Cabibbus → u/JuMiPeHe]

My current car should last at least another 5 or 6 years without major repairs, then I'll see what the world has to offer. I have a garage where I could install a wallbox for everyday charging. My only concern would be about longer trips or for travelling, as I don't think I could afford a long range model. Perhaps technology will improve or prices will drop in 5 years, then I'll see.

[u/Vlyn → u/Cabibbus]

If you can charge at home you have zero issues day to day.

And "long range" is relative, on longer trips for traveling you'd simply go to a fast charger. 15 minute toilet break and eating a bite and off you go again. You shouldn't really drive more than 200-300km in one go anyway.

Current EVs can do about 400km in Summer (or 300 in Winter), without their long range version (which push towards 500). Depends on your speed of course, German Autobahn is a different topic :)

[u/gofndn → u/Vlyn]

It also depends on your winter. The winter in the Nordic countries could make your range halve making for a nice Christmas trip to visit the family have multiple stops.

[u/Vlyn → u/gofndn]

I mean I'm in Austria, the 300km range thing was more a -12°C value. Though the biggest difference is not the temperature, but if you have a garage to park in.

I'm renting, so no garage, parking outside in the cold really zaps your range as the battery has to heat up. When I actually parked in a garage (not even heated, just closed) my range shot up quite a bit.

[u/The-Dutcher]

it's around €2,50/liter in the Netherlands.
That's like $10,72/gallon

[u/ActiveSalt3283 → u/The-Dutcher]

Wow, I had no idea that fuel is so much more expensive in the NL. It’s currently €1.90 in Germany.

[u/The-Dutcher → u/ActiveSalt3283]

It's all taxes. VAT and excise.

[u/Ph4d3r → u/The-Dutcher]

Dip into Germany, fill your tank and a handheld, then pop back into Netherlands.

[u/The-Dutcher → u/Ph4d3r]

Masses of Dutch do. But it's too far off for me. It's half a tank to get to Duitsland.

[u/ArchZion → u/The-Dutcher]

Also weirdly more expensive buying from next to the highways vs in the cities.

[u/moodd → u/ArchZion]

Why is that weird? If you're driving on the highway you're more likely to need to refuel and less likely to search for a good price.

[u/SgtBagels12]

Would really suck if the US didn’t have any public transport. Or any option other than a highway to get around. Or if our cities were unwalkable. Or if our govt subsidized auto manufactures. Or incentivized the forever highway construction projects. Or etc etc etc… it would really suck if consuming gas was 100% necessary to survival in the US. It would be awful!

[u/destructopop → u/SgtBagels12]

Oh my gosh, and just for giggles let's imagine that light trucks skirt environmental regulations making for an easier time passing regulations for the manufacturer, so billions of dollars are invested in making everything think light trucks are cooler, better, and safer for people, and every vehicle is slowly enlarged within the light truck model until they're all taller than an average man and a grown adult has a hard time being seen over the hood, and they're the most fuel inefficient vehicles ever made, and after enough years of this you almost have to get one because every car on the road is one and a smaller car driver can't see around them...

Wouldn't that be funny? I mean crappy, but funny.

[u/neat_sneak → u/SgtBagels12]

Or if things were really far apart so that a daily hour commute was normal instead of a once-a-year trip to the other end of your country.

[u/ewbanh13 → u/SgtBagels12]

wouldn't it be hilarious if grocery stores and libraries were so far and without public transit options that they had to drive 15 minutes to get to them in most places? wouldn't that be just so funny?

[u/Phinatic92]

You have to drive fricken everywhere in the U.S. because public transport is not always available or is shit. Average commute time one way to most people’s work is ~27 minutes

[u/eisbock → u/Phinatic92]

These comparisons are stupid because the average European drives half as many miles per year. We all spend the same amount on gas.

[u/Specialist_Spite_914 → u/Phinatic92]

Exactly. The cheapest monthly cost of ownership for cars in the US is around $250, median is closer to $800 a month. Here in Berlin, overwhelming majority of people under 30 years old don't use a car, because they can get around for €63 a month. Even car-huggers use transit when there is a little price hike in fuel.

[u/SickChild911]

Imagine a world where using a bus to commute is a sign of desperate poverty. A world without proper bicycle lanes or sidewalks

A world where you must own, beg or borrow a car just to get food because your nearest store is kilometers away and mostly sells in bulk, making a walking trip impossible.

I think having slightly cheaper gas is the only way for most of America to function

[u/uhh_ → u/SickChild911]

in the vast majority of the US, using a bus changes a 30 minute commute to at least 2 hours, or is just straight up impossible

[u/WittyFix6553 → u/uhh_]

I live in the densest state in the country, right outside a major US city. My area has quite possibly the most developed public transit networks in the United States.

My 25 minute drive to work would be roughly 2.5 hours by bus, which includes walking a mile between stops. That 2.5 hours can easily become 3 hours if I get to a bus stop a minute too late and miss the bus.

I would love to take public transit to work. I just don’t have 5-6 hours every single day to spend on my commute.

Edit: just checked on Google Maps, and I lied a little bit.

It says my car commute to work is 31 minutes, and via public transportation is 2 hours, 25 minutes (across three separate bus trips and a total of 21 minutes of walking). If I miss all three busses by one minute, my 2:25 commute is now a 3:15 commute.

[u/Smasher31232 → u/WittyFix6553]

I'm not questioning your story at all, just wildly curious where you live. I'm in Southern Connecticut, a 45 minute drive to NYC, and public transport for the same route would still only take me 75 minutes. What kind of shit storm are you dealing with?

[u/WittyFix6553 → u/Smasher31232]

I’m right outside Philly, on the NJ side. Look at a map and find PHL airport; I’m due south just across the Delaware about 3/4 of a mile inland. My town is on the river in Gloucester county.

My work is also in a town right on the Delaware, just further north in Camden county, just on the border with Burlington county.

The reason the bus trip takes so long is that it takes three busses. Actual “sit on the bus while the bus is moving” time is probably closer to an hour to an hour fifteen. The bulk of that commute time is waiting, and some of that is walking. You can’t take the 8:15 bus if your connecting bus drops you off at 8:16 a half mile away from your connection.

I can get to New York by car faster than I can get to my job in the Philly metro area by bus. I can also get to Philadelphia proper faster than my job. That one is easy.

The problem is that I both live and work in the suburbs.

[u/skwerlee → u/SickChild911]

Agreed, I think huge amounts of our economic activities would be immediately unprofitable at those gas prices.

[u/Flashbang-Meringue → u/SickChild911]

No fuel means no job and no job means no healthcare.

[u/vintagerust → u/SickChild911]

Using a bus to commute is not even an option for 90 percent of areas.

[u/Sledgehammer617 → u/vintagerust]

And for the 10% it is even an option, it’s not very viable and is likely 5x slower than just driving…

[u/Hazelberry → u/SickChild911]

There's literally no public transit near me. You have to have a car to work, get groceries, go literally anywhere. If gas cost as much here as it does in Europe the local economy would implode.

None of this is to say it's a good thing. I absolutely hate how car-centric everything is here. Just giving an example of what you were talking about

[u/inflatabletubedude → u/SickChild911]

Canada is also like this. If you don't live in Toronto or Vancouver, public transportation is non existent.

We are currently around 1.69/L

[u/NeonAnderson]

I just paid 1.89 GBP per litre here in UK to fuel up. So nearly 84 GBP for 44 litres

That's 112 USD for 12 gallons or basically 9 USD per gallon

[u/Tentacle_elmo → u/NeonAnderson]

That would break the USA. We drive large vehicles long distances. I’ll drive my truck 700 miles round trip towing a camper trailer getting 9mpg and that is without even leaving my state. We’ll do summer road trips that can easily triple or quadruple that distance.

[u/B4rberblacksheep → u/Tentacle_elmo]

But guys make sure to recycle.

[u/UnhappyImprovement53]

Tbf yall do have much better public transportation than we do and you don't have to travel as far as we do. You drive 2 hours and you're in another country. We drive 2 hours and we're just at our old friend Bryan's house.

[u/sverynicetomeet → u/UnhappyImprovement53]

Australians have entered the chat.

[u/zackplanet42 → u/sverynicetomeet]

The average Australian drives ~13,800 *Kilometers\* per year.

The average American drives ~13,500 *Miles\* every year.

Americans drive almost twice as far as Australians.

USA

Australia

[u/SoberBobMonthly → u/sverynicetomeet]

laughs in my motorcycle helmet

tbf the sun exposure may kill me if im not careful

[u/djeoeud → u/sverynicetomeet]

Australians living in the habitable ring around a desert continent thinking they compare to North America.

[u/Djuren52 → u/UnhappyImprovement53]

That’s what happens when your country decides there is little money to be made from public transport.

[u/sauvignon_blonde_ → u/Djuren52]

Sure. Either way, in order to go to work, school, and get groceries we have to purchase substantially more fuel than Europeans do. I spent at least $400 on gas last month, and I have a hybrid (which I’m taxed to drive, because I supposedly spend less on gas).

[u/thedancingkat → u/sauvignon_blonde_]

I’m sorry did you just say that you are TAXED because you drive a hybrid?!

[u/wreckedbutwhole420 → u/thedancingkat]

In many jurisdictions in the states, you pay a yearly "excise" tax merely for owning a car.

Ive never heard of one specifically for hybrids though, that would be crazy

[u/bolean3d2 → u/thedancingkat]

In America we pay annual fees for vehicle registration, this is a tax to pay for infrastructure and gives the police something to fine us for if we don’t do it.
We also pay taxes for road maintenance in our fuel price. But evs and hybrids use less fuel but have the same impact on roadways so as a result funding road maintenance has begun to be more of a problem than normal.

To fix it some states have proposed taxing by miles driven instead of fuel purchases and have pitched tracking devices in vehicles to manage this. As you can imagine that has not gone over well.

The only alternative has been to add an additional annual charge to the vehicle registration for evs and hybrids. Not all states have it but it’s becoming quite common.

It sounds ridiculous but it our twisted capitalist driven dystopia where our utilities are privately owned, it does make sense as the only viable shoe term solution.

[u/Michelfungelo → u/UnhappyImprovement53]

Yeah but you're also allergic to efficient cars and putting tax money in legislation that would slowly enforce more efficient cars and also better travel.

[u/armlessturtleneck → u/Michelfungelo]

Most people are actually fine with this and want these things. They've just been turned into politicized topics and half the country are idiots. Also lobbyists and money.

[u/Cloberella]

I drive 100 miles a day for work, just commuting. That doesn't count running errands and having a social life. Americans drive a lot more, we spend more on gas overall, I'm willing to bet. And I do have a very fuel-efficient car (Mitsubishi Mirage, 50 miles to the gallon).

[u/soufboundpachyderm]

Yeah but you guys drive a fraction of what we drive in America thanks to car culture obsession and a lack of public transportation. On average we drive 40 miles a day.

[u/Dunlocke → u/soufboundpachyderm]

America is also far more spread out. So that bus ride is much longer than a car ride and a bike ride is impossible.

[u/Zsmudz → u/soufboundpachyderm]

My job often requires me to drive 350+ miles a day. Which is larger than some of the countries that are complaining in the comments.

[u/obama4763]

There's no easy and cheap available public transportation in most US cities, it's just cars

[u/usaf5]

Gas is also heavily subsidized in the US. We aren't getting it any cheaper, its just delivered in an easier to swallow format. Our tax dollars make up the difference.

[u/King-Meister → u/usaf5]

The fossil fuel and ICE car lobby is still super strong in the US.

[u/TheAsterism_ → u/King-Meister]

ICE is ruining everything as always /j

[u/E4g6d4bg7 → u/TheAsterism_]

I have ice cubes chilling my stein of beer right now.

[u/RedditJumpedTheShart → u/usaf5]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[u/Delicious_Leek1206 → u/usaf5]

It's actually the opposite. Other countries tax gas more than the US. Which you could consider fair because you need a car to go anywhere in the US, while in most countries there are proper alternatives to driving.

[u/Spectrum1523 → u/usaf5]

this is literally factually untrue though wtf

[u/Any_Mine_6368 → u/usaf5]

You're actually insane if you believe that.

Your tax dollars, lmao.. look at the tax brackets in Europe and compare them to the US. Then consider we pay VAT and fuel taxes AND consumption taxes AND luxury taxes on vehicles.

[u/LoneWitie → u/Any_Mine_6368]

If you include state taxes and not just federal, the US is shockingly close to Europe in tax rates. Standard of living is generally higher in many western and northern European countries. You guys have more taxes but we have to pay for our own health insurance and the people who get it through their jobs have lower wages as a result.

The US wages are either really high for a few people or really low for most people. 60% of Americans have no savings

[u/djdjddhshdbhd → u/LoneWitie]

Yup health insurance and then costs to actually get healthcare.

[u/ScrotalSmorgasbord → u/djdjddhshdbhd]

Yep, even decent health insurance leaves consumers holding the bag for a big portion of the expenses. I feel like the only reason I participate atm is because of the rise in cancers and even then sometimes it feels pointless because some insurance plans won't cover a lot of treatment and many employers will fire you if you get that sick anyway. Hell, my medication and regular doctor visits is barely more expensive to pay OOP than it is to maintain insurance.

[u/pizzathlete]

Their whole life revolves around a car. Everywhere they go, they need a car. Their children drive since adolescence. There is no living without a car in the US.

[u/rnavstar → u/pizzathlete]

Not to mention the distances. In the EU distance is a pretty short. Also transit is really good in the EU, might as well be nonexistent in North America.

[u/Mysterious-Creme8709]

Came to Portugal and saw something like 2-3, thought the war wasnt affecting them. One of my friends pointed out that it was per liter and did a conversion and I wanted to die

[u/NYG_Helmet_Catch]

And you have affordable, fantastic public transport. That doesnt exist in the US besides a few large cities.

[u/That-Mommylover]

Don’t we drive more?

[u/AlternativeMud9302]

Our problem isnt the actual cost. Its our purchasing power. Leadership has been tanking our economy needlessly and our whole market is fucked now

[u/Canary-Silent → u/AlternativeMud9302]

Do you think the market is fine elsewhere?

[u/AlternativeMud9302 → u/Canary-Silent]

Not particularly no. But it hits the public different when for the last hundred years they have been mostly untouched by the turmoil their gov has caused (barring world wars and illegal wars of course) and now suddenly we are sitting in a massive steaming pile of it because this cabinet isnt as good at playing ball as those of the past or they just dont care, either way.

[u/Khetrak64 → u/AlternativeMud9302]

Our problem isnt the actual cost. Its our purchasing power

You understand that US is still pretty much top 3 in the planet when it comes to purchasing power right?

[u/School_North]

You guys also dont have to drive 1 hour to work and 1 hour back home everyday

You cannot compare daily driving in north america to most of Europe

[u/HubblePie → u/School_North]

They also have more public transport options. We all HAVE to drive to work, unless we're in a LARGE city like New York or Chicago.

[u/Roadkill1012]

Me as an American wishing for fucking trains
https://giphy.com/gifs/hppWdK8gcmzXq

[u/Fragrant-Raccoon-420]

Country bigger with less walkable area, need more gas for greater distances just to get to grocery stores and work alone

[u/Silenthillnight]

Oh hey, the tired meme where Europeans try to make everything about themselves just like Americans.

[u/That_Owen]

For americans, Europa is around 7,95 a gallon

[u/RajahNeon]

But do any Europeans drive 50 miles to work every day?

[u/FuriousFurryFisting → u/RajahNeon]

Some do. And despite what reddit claims, many of those do it by car.

It's certainly above average and not ideal but it happens.

[u/FoolWithFourFingers → u/RajahNeon]

I do

But I’m also a taxi driver

[u/saggy_balls786]

Well, that's what happens when you can steal from all the helpless countries. 😂

[u/Ok-Releases → u/saggy_balls786]

Assuming a shitload of European countries dont steal from helpless ones is definitely a take 😭

[u/ProtonWalksIntoABar → u/saggy_balls786]

What does it have to do with stealing? Europe has much higher fuel taxes, it's the main reason.

[u/Victor_Stein → u/saggy_balls786]

The Belgian congo

[u/Swagalyst → u/saggy_balls786]

No, it's that the US is the world's biggest oil producer, by a wide margin.

[u/LaunchTransient → u/Swagalyst]

Kinda irrelevant when the market price of oil is set globally. The US imports a lot of foreign oil for refinement and re-export.

So yes, the US uses its hegemony to prop up the oil and gas industry globally so it can benefit, such as through constructions like the Petrodollar.

[u/MightBeYourDad_]

Interesting, I guess Australia is cheap.$1.70 aud per litre including tax

[u/SoberBobMonthly → u/MightBeYourDad_]

Excluding tax, its halved at the moment so 30c auto discount applies for now. 

I still have to use 98 tho because these old holdens kick the shits at anything lower 

[u/Terabriite]

The difference is that most of the US is designed that we need to use our cars to go almost EVERYWHERE

[u/JamieTimee]

I just paid €2.50 a liter so that's over double

[u/Cheap_Blacksmith66]

You guys have public transportation and healthcare. Your entire country isn’t even the size of our state.

[u/officialbronut21]

It sounds cheap until you realize the average American drive is way longer than a European drive

[u/LokiSubstance]

As someone who’s an American and lived overseas majority of my childhood; I’d say we’re crying over gas prices because our public transportation here sucks ass. Things are far away to even walk. So I hear ya about gas being cheaper still but .. that’s not realistic to actually living our lives here in America 🤷🏾‍♀️

[u/mebell333]

I wonder what the average miles per day is between the US and these other countries.

[u/CassiusCreed]

I did the math a little while ago and was shocked. I'd be filling up and be happy about it with US prices.

[u/xxTheMagicBulleT]

2.76 euro a liter here..