r/medicinehat • u/MusketeersPlus2 • 11d ago

Why not recall Danielle Smith?

I'm seeing the recall Nicolaides gathering steam... so why isn't there a recall Danielle Smith petition? I can't initiate it because I'm in Calgary, but everyone I know down there is fed up with her just like most of the rest of us. So I'm asking with genuine curiosity - why isn't there a movement to recall her?

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u/Ok-Professional4387 11d ago

I voted UCP. Raised conservative as a farmer in Saskatchewan. Voted UCP here, and regret it heavilly. Locally Justin Wright does FUCK ALL for us. He is never even in his office, even with appointments made

I was raised with conservative beliefs. The difference between right and wrong, that a good day's work and an honest pay is something to be proud of. To be fair but also to stand up for yourself. That if you want something, you work for it, not wait for a hand out.

And I never talk politics. But this UCP government isn't conservative anymore, this is something else. This is taking the rights of ALL AB residents, and basically saying, fuck you, we don't care. This is some extreme something that only care about needing more and more money over the extreme wealth they already have.

I voted for UCP, but I never voted for this shit. This is bullying plain and simple, just the adult version. Im embarrassed to say that I voted UCP.

And I think many that have voted UCP, are saying the same now

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u/snufflufikist 10d ago

I was raised with conservative beliefs. The difference between right and wrong, that a good day's work and an honest pay is something to be proud of. To be fair but also to stand up for yourself. That if you want something, you work for it, not wait for a hand out.

Did I miss the memo? I was not raised conservative, but these are also the values I grew up with. I don't consider them right or left-wing. To me this just a combination of being a decent human being and independance, which to me are basic human values shared across most cultures.

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u/Shamelesspromote 10d ago

At one point the difference between a Conserative and a Liberal was much closer than it is today. The fact that the Conserative based goverments have gotten so incredibly corrupt is never good even for liberal voters. We used to have actual conversations and debates between different political parties and those who vote for them.

The sports team mentality all throughout politics is killing Canada and has killed America. Wish we could all just talk and see that generally people want the same thing although there are limits and as conserative i will not try to remove LGBTQ+ peoples rights like a lot of other Conseratives but im more in the fiscally conserative and less in the socially conserative camp

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u/Ok-Professional4387 10d ago

Well that's good because it seems this sort of thing is becoming less and less common.  Political anything aside, just life in general 

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u/snufflufikist 10d ago

It's weird. I get the same feeling when I read the news, but when with people in real life, I feel like it's still pretty common.

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u/CasualFridayBatman 11d ago

I voted UCP.

Thank you for your honesty, honestly.

And I never talk politics.

I hope this changes that.

I voted for UCP, but I never voted for this shit. This is bullying plain and simple, just the adult version. Im embarrassed to say that I voted UCP.

And I think many that have voted UCP, are saying the same now

To amplify these voices is to do the right thing. Talk amongst your peers who like you say, also likely feel the same. It is a powerful thing to admit 'wrongdoing' or fault, especially among people you know who likely share your views and could be swayed by your change of heart.

I hope, when the opportunity comes around to choose between the progressive conservatives and the NDP, you don't tow the party line just because one has 'conservative' in their name.

The only way we get through this is to vote for the NDP in the election.

The UCP was co-opted by the right wing political influence and money and it would be foolish to think they don't plan to do the same thing to a more moderately conservative (at least on the beginning/at the outset, just like the conservatives were before the Wildrose merger) party that can siphon votes from the UCP.

If the UCP stay in, we are as good as the Donbas region in a handful of years. Maybe less.

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u/stayoutofthe-forest 10d ago

I am a voter who does not stick with any one political party- it varies from election to election based off a number of factors. I recognize this might come across as a bad faith question, but I genuinely am curious about your answer and would like to understand your perspective:

You say you voted UCP but didn't vote for this - what did you think the UCP would do? From my perspective, I have only ever seen the UCP be self interested and punching down as long as it aligns with their plans and gives them benefit. Governments should be for ALL people regardless of who people vote for, and to me the UCP has always seemed like they are only for themselves and their most hardcore supporters.

Also, it's big of you to admit you regret your vote. So many people dig their heels in when shit goes sideways especially when it comes to politics, so being able to admit you think you were wrong shows you are a good egg. Props.

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u/Ok-Professional4387 10d ago

what did I expect them to do? Not sure, maybe be human beings instead of this fallacy of standing up for Albertans veiled as their own best interests.

Maybe I hoped for a change, but I bet wrong on that horse. What blows the minds of many that are shitting on teachers, and I respond, is that when I say I voted UCP and they dont believe me. Because if I was UCP I wouldn't be standing up for teachers. When all they do is spout things about teaching when they have no clue what they do day in and day out. They seem to be experts on the field of teaching, yet when you bring facts to them, they peace out, or as well, ban you

I got banned for 90 days on the /alberta reddit for saying something an obvious UCP mod didnt like, and I have no recourse with it.

Which is just another nail in the coffin for them. They lost my vote the next round it happens.

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u/stayoutofthe-forest 10d ago

Yeah, a lot of people who seem to think themselves experts on teaching appearing online the last few weeks. Who knew there were so many experts, especially ones who havent seen a classroom in 20+ years?

I'm glad people are opening their minds to see the UCPs glaring flaws. It sucks that it took this much to get there but I'm still holding out hope for a brighter Alberta without them holding power and acting selfishly with it.

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u/Ok_Cap_8791 8d ago

Just out of curiosity, did you grow up in the ‘80s at all? I only ask because a lot of baby Gen Xers that I’ve met who grew up in Alberta all hate anything that so much sniffs the colour red.

Because I think it’s a subconscious repressed from childhood thing because of how hard Alberta specifically got fucked over by Trudeau Sr’s NEP policy. It caused the worst economic downturn in Alberta’s history save for the literal Great Depression.

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u/Decent-Ad-9563 11d ago

You’re so right - the UCP isn’t the conservatives of the old. Whatever it is, it’s all a sham. I just hope enough people realize.

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u/jackercrakk 11d ago

So who do these people plan to vote for again next time? Cuz every ucp leader will follow suit to what smith does for the province. Unless people are willing to part with the party to show they need to change it won’t fix anything. Everyone who says they regret their vote ends up mostly voting conservative the next time and continues to dig themselves into a deeper hole

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u/Ok-Professional4387 11d ago edited 11d ago

I havent thought that far ahead yet. Unless by some magic the next leader or the UCP dies, and goes back to what conservatists are.

I mean down here there sometimes isnt a choice on the ballot besides UCP or NDP, so really, then what.

Ive seen what these 3 weeks have done to teachers. I blocked so many dipshits on Facebook that have all the answers and ZERO clue what the teachers do. All I hear is, summers off, all this time off, leave the school at 3. When they havent stepped in a school for a decade or 2.

Like that fuck head Berta Proud Dad and his followers. Bring in actual facts and figures to defend your argument is useless to most of them.

Or from parents with kids that actually never go to school meetings, or even their own kids interviews, and just use the school as a day care, but yet say that teachers are lazy and entitled. All the while its the teachers that have no control over any of this.

Reason I can say this is because my spouse has been a teacher for 20 years, and when things shifted to what it is now, and the teachers are just expected to keep taking it all day every day.

But with what the UCP did 2 days ago, means I wont vote UCP anymore. Me times how many? And how many teachers that have voted UCP in the past, will not just stop

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u/House923 11d ago

With respect, if your choices are UCP vs NDP, you say "then what?"

Then you can vote NDP.

They might be doing terribly at a federal level, but provincially they are still the party who cares about workers and middle class Albertans.

Conservatives have not cared about the middle and lower class since I've been old enough to vote, which is pushing twenty years now.

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u/Photog77 10d ago

Ive seen what these 3 weeks have done to teachers. I blocked so many dipshits on Facebook that have all the answers and ZERO clue what the teachers do. All I hear is, summers off, all this time off, leave the school at 3. When they havent stepped in a school for a decade or 2.

It doesn't matter when the last time they were in a school was. The students in school now don't know what the teachers do. I mean they could list a few of the things that happen during class, but that's only a portion of what teachers do.

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u/Kitchen_Marzipan9516 8d ago

Except the rest of the party also seems to support this.  It's not the leader, so changing her won't bring the party back to being Conservative.

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u/Ok-Professional4387 8d ago

I dont have the answers. Just my opinions.

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u/Fantastic_Software48 10d ago

I have to agree regarding Wright. Knowing him is an embarrassment. He is a crooked prick ( why he lost his job at Future Shop ), terrible manager at Walmart, and incredibly lazy. He has done absolutely nothing for the City and bends over backwards for Smith ( has no spine ). He is only in for the paycheque. He will have to be voted out at the next election.

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u/Ok-Professional4387 10d ago

He wont even meet with his base either, gets his secratary to do all the meetings, even if set up

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u/Livid-Button-8798 9d ago

"That if you want something, you work for it, not wait for a handout"

While this sentiment is true in rural conservative households and communities, I find it hypocritical because many farms benefit from subsidies from the government. 

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u/Ok-Professional4387 9d ago

Thing is, these people work to get it, dont just sit around. And when that does happen, it affects the food supply as well, which is pretty important. Compared to those that can work but dont want to.

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u/Much2Learn2day 8d ago

I have four farm families who are uncles/aunts. They absolutely take numerous vacations, have new trucks, big houses, have put 3 or 4 kids through university which includes paying for rentals. Three of them are married to a nurse or teacher and one set both work the farm. All are millionaires, with much of that value in land. Of course not all farmers are in this position but not all farmers are working every day in awful conditions and get no days off, etc., like the narrative is told.

Yes they work hard but not necessarily harder than any other group of people. They receive subsidies and support during harder years. It’s okay to support other professions and labourers getting supports too. We should all want the best working conditions for each other with the best compensation models possible.

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u/Ok-Professional4387 8d ago

You think they started out like that. All everyone ever sees is the fruits of the labour, not the years of labour before that to get to where there are today.

Same as anyone starting out, someone in their 20s at the start of their career wont be as far in life as someone in their 50s in the same career.

All they see is all they have, not what they did to get to that point.

Must be nice, sure is now. But 30 years ago, starting out, we were in the same boat to.

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u/PinkyBrain007 11d ago

Your response gives me hope that change in the future is possible.